Does anyone here have a vSeeBox (to watch TV)

[doreentallia]

Had a guy at work tell me about this, seems to good to be true. Does anyone on here use one? Is it even legal?

 

[PigsDad]

Had a guy at work tell me about this, seems to good to be true. Does anyone on here use one? Is it even legal?

Hmmm. New user, very first post "asking" about a sketchy service. I bet your next post will include a link where we can all get in on this "great deal", right?

With that said, these pirate video streaming products disappear as fast as they appear. The basic business model is to charge a large up-front fee for the equipment or service, have pirated streaming working for a while, and then they eventually get shutdown and people are left with no service and a hole in their wallet.

Kurt

 

[larryu]

We've used Superbox (vSeebox competitor) for years. It is perfectly legal to sell the box and legal to own the box. Most available apps are legal but a few apps which can be downloaded are not. These illegal apps allow you to watch over 2,000 tv stations across the US and Canada - think every major sporting event including pay-per-views - at no charge, as well as regional stations all over. Another lets you watch just about every movie or tv show that has ever aired. No subscription and no payments. DO remember "ILLEGAL"!!! if you get caught using these apps.

The product has its quirks, and can be annoying at times. It did allow us to cut all of our cable and streaming services, and the box travels with us and works anywhere we have a decent internet connection. How long will it last? I have no idea, but we are going to enjoy all of the LEGAL apps as long as it lasts.

Larry

 

[Patri]

Why would someone join a timeshare forum to talk about TV? Good catch.

 

[dioxide45]

Hmmm. New user, very first post "asking" about a sketchy service. I bet your next post will include a link where we can all get in on this "great deal", right?

With that said, these pirate video streaming products disappear as fast as they appear. The basic business model is to charge a large up-front fee for the equipment or service, have pirated streaming working for a while, and then they eventually get shutdown and people are left with no service and a hole in their wallet.

Kurt

Don't even need a link really. Just trying to shill the product and the name of it is unique enough that interested people can search it on the web.

 

[PigsDad]

Don't even need a link really. Just trying to shill the product and the name of it is unique enough that interested people can search it on the web.

I was expecting them to post a reference link that gets them a commission if people ordered the product through that link.

Kurt

 

[dioxide45]

I was expecting them to post a reference link that gets them a commission if people ordered the product through that link.

Kurt

I don't think Newbies can post links. For this very reason.

 

[emeryjre]

We've used Superbox (vSeebox competitor) for years. It is perfectly legal to sell the box and legal to own the box. Most available apps are legal but a few apps which can be downloaded are not. These illegal apps allow you to watch over 2,000 tv stations across the US and Canada - think every major sporting event including pay-per-views - at no charge, as well as regional stations all over. Another lets you watch just about every movie or tv show that has ever aired. No subscription and no payments. DO remember "ILLEGAL"!!! if you get caught using these apps.

The product has its quirks, and can be annoying at times. It did allow us to cut all of our cable and streaming services, and the box travels with us and works anywhere we have a decent internet connection. How long will it last? I have no idea, but we are going to enjoy all of the LEGAL apps as long as it lasts.

Larry

The "apps" use IPTV streaming sources
Let's say there is a soccer game in England that soccer fans from around the world want to watch
Someone will have a legitimate streaming feed of the game
They feed the live stream to an "aggregator"
The "aggregator" redistributes the stream to an "app"
If you have the "app" and are interested in watching the soccer game
You use the "app" to search for the stream and watch the game
Full on pirating of the soccer game broadcast

The same process is used for recent movies, TV shows, NFL on Sunday, MLB daily, etc., etc.

It is a cat and mouse game with broadcasters, movie studios, NFL, MLB, etc finding the and shutting down the aggregators

They pop up again and the cat and mouse game continues

The box itself in not illegal, but it facilitates the pirating process

The OS is android (public domain)

The NFL has gotten very good at shutting down Sunday pirating because it is to their benefit to make you buy the Sunday Pass to watch out off area games

Buyer beware that your pirated view can disappear at any time as the aggregator is shut down

You can do this yourself on any TV device hookup that runs android and is not locked

 

[dioxide45]

The box itself in not illegal, but it facilitates the pirating process

Kinda sounds like Napster.

 

[davidvel]

The "apps" use IPTV streaming sources
Let's say there is a soccer game in England that soccer fans from around the world want to watch
Someone will have a legitimate streaming feed of the game
They feed the live stream to an "aggregator"
The "aggregator" redistributes the stream to an "app"
If you have the "app" and are interested in watching the soccer game
You use the "app" to search for the stream and watch the game
Full on pirating of the soccer game broadcast

The same process is used for recent movies, TV shows, NFL on Sunday, MLB daily, etc., etc.

It is a cat and mouse game with broadcasters, movie studios, NFL, MLB, etc finding the and shutting down the aggregators

They pop up again and the cat and mouse game continues

The box itself in not illegal, but it facilitates the pirating process

The OS is android (public domain)

The NFL has gotten very good at shutting down Sunday pirating because it is to their benefit to make you buy the Sunday Pass to watch out off area games

Buyer beware that your pirated view can disappear at any time as the aggregator is shut down

You can do this yourself on any TV device hookup that runs android and is not locked

This is a great summary. I would add that the $300 (or so) boxes are absolutely illegal. That is because the pirating software comes preinstalled and provides regular non-technical folks access to that copyrighted content. Or they provide direct links to the apps that are preapproved for the stream at no additional cost.

 

[larryu]

davidvel:​

The boxes I bought are perfectly legal. There is no "pirating" software installed on the box.

There are links available to install apps which can make the box illegal. Shame on a consumer who would do that. I think a virtual private network (VPN) pretty well protects one from discovery. The FBI would have to knock on my door and catch me watching that NFL game. Then they have the problem dealing with and punishing a 78 year old guy with no attachable assets. Maybe they would just confiscate my box and let me go?

emeryj:​

I haven't missed a NFL game of my choice in years.

dioxide45:​

Easier than Napster, and much better.

One could say buying a timeshare in the secondary market is very unfair to the timeshare developers. I wonder if anyone on tug feels that way? I know it is apples and oranges, but I personally think programmers get WAY too much money for their product, and they make me buy 30 channels of programming I don't want for each one I do.

There, I've vented. I know I'm wrong, and I'm trying to tell myself I'm really not a horrible person.

Larry

 

[emeryjre]

davidvel:​

The boxes I bought are perfectly legal. There is no "pirating" software installed on the box.

There are links available to install apps which can make the box illegal. Shame on a consumer who would do that. I think a virtual private network (VPN) pretty well protects one from discovery. The FBI would have to knock on my door and catch me watching that NFL game. Then they have the problem dealing with and punishing a 78 year old guy with no attachable assets. Maybe they would just confiscate my box and let me go?

emeryj:​

I haven't missed a NFL game of my choice in years.

dioxide45:​

Easier than Napster, and much better.

One could say buying a timeshare in the secondary market is very unfair to the timeshare developers. I wonder if anyone on tug feels that way? I know it is apples and oranges, but I personally think programmers get WAY too much money for their product, and they make me buy 30 channels of programming I don't want for each one I do.

There, I've vented. I know I'm wrong, and I'm trying to tell myself I'm really not a horrible person.

Larry

I did not and do not pass judgement on people using these services

Not like the NFL needs the money

Major League and College Sports broadcasts have started hiding behind costly streaming services at an expanding rate

There are plenty of people who are being left behind because of rising costs and limited growth of income

Especially retirees

 

[DrQ]

If "doreen" weren't a shill, they would have stayed around for the discussion.

 

[davidvel]

davidvel:​

The boxes I bought are perfectly legal. There is no "pirating" software installed on the box.

There are links available to install apps which can make the box illegal. Shame on a consumer who would do that. I think a virtual private network (VPN) pretty well protects one from discovery. The FBI would have to knock on my door and catch me watching that NFL game. Then they have the problem dealing with and punishing a 78 year old guy with no attachable assets. Maybe they would just confiscate my box and let me go?

emeryj:​

I haven't missed a NFL game of my choice in years.

dioxide45:​

Easier than Napster, and much better.

One could say buying a timeshare in the secondary market is very unfair to the timeshare developers. I wonder if anyone on tug feels that way? I know it is apples and oranges, but I personally think programmers get WAY too much money for their product, and they make me buy 30 channels of programming I don't want for each one I do.

There, I've vented. I know I'm wrong, and I'm trying to tell myself I'm really not a horrible person.

Larry

Ok, "the Box." Semantics. If you paid an upfront fee to acquire "the box" which included links that allow you to watch copyrighted content like NFL as part of the package, the package was illegal and you paid for illegal copyrighted material. A federal crime.

If you paid $15 for a box alone (which is the going rate for just "the box"), and found a way to download illegal apps to stream illegal content on your own, then I guess "the box" was legal. But you knew all that.

I am just posting for others who are not as savvy, that may care about committing federal crimes, as many people think these boxes and the associated apps are legal. I'll refrain from passing any judgment.

 

[emeryjre]

A question for NFL Football fans
And legal eagles

The Hypothetical:

Detroit Lion Football fan
The NFL game being broadcast via Over the Air transmission (OTA) in Detroit will always be the Lions Game
Even if the Lions are playing out town
I live in Detroit (hypothetically)

I am on vacation in a town outside of Detroit broadcast area for several weeks

NFL wants me to buy NFL Sunday Ticke Sub for $449 for the season
This Sub allows me to watch any NFL game being broadcast on any Sunday
But I only want the Lions Game

If I figure out how to use a VPN and some "app" software to watch the Detroit game broadcast live
Am I breaking the law

 

[larryu]

Probably.

Larry

 

[isisdave]

We're Charger fans exiled to Indiana, and before last year we were able to use a VPN and Paramount+ (most games are on CBS) to watch them by teleporting ourselves to LA. This last year it didn't work any more.

 

[Vacay0606]

Since Amazon blocked the side loading apps on Firesticks, I've heard alot of people are switching to ONN streaming device or Formuler.

 

[TolmiePeak]

I wonder how many people worried about breaking the law in this thread exceed the speed limit?

 

[TolmiePeak]

We're Charger fans exiled to Indiana, and before last year we were able to use a VPN and Paramount+ (most games are on CBS) to watch them by teleporting ourselves to LA. This last year it didn't work any more.

Switch to a different vpn

 

[PigsDad]

I wonder how many people worried about breaking the law in this thread exceed the speed limit?

Simple speeding is a civil offence, violating copyright laws are federal criminal offences. I'm sorry you can't understand the difference.

Kurt

 

[TolmiePeak]

Simple speeding is a civil offence, violating copyright laws are federal criminal offences. I'm sorry you can't understand the difference.

Kurt

And how many people are charged with a federal criminal offense for using pirated streaming sites? Even when music companies went after people for using Napster they weren't able to collect.

 

[PigsDad]

And how many people are charged with a federal criminal offense for using pirated streaming sites? Even when music companies went after people for using Napster they weren't able to collect.

Well, I guess we just have different moral compasses.

Kurt

 

[emeryjre]

I would prefer to see law enforcement go after scammers preying on the elderly

I would prefer law enforcement go after hackers stealing personal information
With the intent of stealing identities

I would prefer to see law enforcement go after human traffickers

 

[TolmiePeak]

Well, I guess we just have different moral compasses.

Kurt

Is breaking federal copyright laws that cost private corporations money more or less moral than obeying the speed limit which reduces the likelihood of killing yourself and others on the freeway?