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Request for Advice for OIRC and Fairfield Glade owner

vanillabean

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Location
Mississippi
Resorts Owned
Orlando International Resort Club, Massanutten Regal Vistas, Wyndham Resort at Fairfield Glade
My father added me to his Club Wyndham membership after my mom passed away in 2010, as she used to manage the account. He said that if I would figure out how it works and use it, then he would continue to pay for it. I have since assumed responsibility for the payments. I am wondering what my options are in light of Wyndham's plans to close or get rid of Fairfield Glade and OIRC, both locations where we have ownership.
This is what we own:
  • 126,000 points at OIRC, converted fixed week
  • 154,000 points at Fairfield Glade Nottingham Villas UDI, Biennial even
  • 308,000 points for 2 PICs for Massanutten fixed week
These are all developer points, so we are VIP Gold grandfathered when only 500k points were required.

Neither I nor my dad have heard anything from Fairfield Glade.
I received the OIRC notification of the August 5 meeting and proxy ballot. I registered for the August 5 meeting, but I am considering going ahead and submitting my ballot, which is due at 5pm ET.

I am ok with keeping the points for the properties that are going away if that is an option, and our maintenance fees stay the same or go down. If they increase, I would have to consider how much of an increase it would be. Once I learned how to use the timeshare points to deposit, I have booked many vacations for my family, and I have been able to invite other family friends to go along with us to Disney World, Hawaii, NYC, just to mention a few places. The memories we have made are priceless! On the other hand, this would be a great way to be rid of the ownership without any effort, LOL.

I have many questions, but these are my main ones:
  1. If I were wanting to get rid of OIRC anyway, is voting Yes on the 3 items on the ballot for the OIRC meeting the easiest course of action for me? I would like the option to consider keeping the Wyndham points as CWA points.
  2. What happens to our VIP Gold status if we are able to keep the same points from both properties but convert to Club Wyndham Access?
I have always received such great advice and information from TUG members. Thanks for any help!
 
I own at FG and my mf’s are $9.10/1,000. There are multiple HOAs there so yours might be lower. CWA is $8.13 without Plus Partners program fee, $8.88 with it. So, your mf’s going into 2026 would probably be about the same, possibly slightly lower. I don’t know about OIRC but others here should be able to help.
 
My father added me to his Club Wyndham membership after my mom passed away in 2010, as she used to manage the account. He said that if I would figure out how it works and use it, then he would continue to pay for it. I have since assumed responsibility for the payments. I am wondering what my options are in light of Wyndham's plans to close or get rid of Fairfield Glade and OIRC, both locations where we have ownership.
This is what we own:
  • 126,000 points at OIRC, converted fixed week
  • 154,000 points at Fairfield Glade Nottingham Villas UDI, Biennial even
  • 308,000 points for 2 PICs for Massanutten fixed week
These are all developer points, so we are VIP Gold grandfathered when only 500k points were required.

Neither I nor my dad have heard anything from Fairfield Glade.
I received the OIRC notification of the August 5 meeting and proxy ballot. I registered for the August 5 meeting, but I am considering going ahead and submitting my ballot, which is due at 5pm ET.

I am ok with keeping the points for the properties that are going away if that is an option, and our maintenance fees stay the same or go down. If they increase, I would have to consider how much of an increase it would be. Once I learned how to use the timeshare points to deposit, I have booked many vacations for my family, and I have been able to invite other family friends to go along with us to Disney World, Hawaii, NYC, just to mention a few places. The memories we have made are priceless! On the other hand, this would be a great way to be rid of the ownership without any effort, LOL.

I have many questions, but these are my main ones:
  1. If I were wanting to get rid of OIRC anyway, is voting Yes on the 3 items on the ballot for the OIRC meeting the easiest course of action for me? I would like the option to consider keeping the Wyndham points as CWA points.
  2. What happens to our VIP Gold status if we are able to keep the same points from both properties but convert to Club Wyndham Access?
I have always received such great advice and information from TUG members. Thanks for any help!

WRT Orlando International, I think the collective "wisdom" here on TUG is that the results of the August 5 ballot will be approval of entering into bankruptcy (to facilitate the sale) and eventual sale of the entire property. "Certain members" in the proxy are presumed to mean Wyndham.. Voting yes supports bankruptcy and sale but in reality, may not make any difference if, as is suspected, Wyndham holds enough votes.

I have not seen anything about the Orlando International resulting in a swap for CWA points. That seems to be part of some of the other closures and it could be part of the Orlando International as well.

I don't really need 350,000 CWA points so I expect I'll just hold on and see what happens.
 
I have not seen anything about the Orlando International resulting in a swap for CWA points. That seems to be part of some of the other closures and it could be part of the Orlando International as well.
It’s mentioned in the one official generic statement from Wyndham corporate, so I would assume it’s going to be offered to owners at any resort currently going through this process.
 
I don't own any of the affected properties and can't speak to what to vote (or not) for. But.... seems you have a good handle overall on your account and have the details (on your side) that you will need to make a good decision (once you know, as best you can, what Wyndham is going to offer from their side). You brought up some great considerations / things people will want to keep in mind as things unfold. * You want to retain your grandfathered Gold and * You don't want your PICs messed up in the process. I would think all will be fine, but I'd want to confirm (get in writing if at all possible) when the time comes that you end up as expected. Hopefully they offer a CWA swap and the maintenance fees are lower (or at least similar) and you are left whole/as is.

I always say do your research, make your best guess at what is going to happen (because with Wyndham we never really know and they are not know for consistency), plan for the worst and hope for the best. Based on the (limited) information and tons of speculation around this, I'd sit and wait and see what happens, I think you are sitting good / have as best a handle on this as you can!
 
It’s mentioned in the one official generic statement from Wyndham corporate, so I would assume it’s going to be offered to owners at any resort currently going through this process.
I own at OlRC I think I missed where it talks about cwa points in the paperwork I received
 
I own at OlRC I think I missed where it talks about cwa points in the paperwork I received
It's the general statement about the situation by Club Wyndham corporate, not the HOA-specific mailing. However, there's nothing to indicate any of these locations would be excluded from this offer. Technically, until the vote has taken place there's no offer to be made, but I assume it would come later.

"Owners in good standing at these transitioned resorts will be offered the opportunity to swap their current inventory for equivalent Club Wyndham Access points at no cost to the owner. This way, owners can continue to enjoy their ownership benefits, or they may choose to receive their share of the sale proceeds for their ownership interest."

 
It's the general statement about the situation by Club Wyndham corporate, not the HOA-specific mailing. However, there's nothing to indicate any of these locations would be excluded from this offer. Technically, until the vote has taken place there's no offer to be made, but I assume it would come later.

"Owners in good standing at these transitioned resorts will be offered the opportunity to swap their current inventory for equivalent Club Wyndham Access points at no cost to the owner. This way, owners can continue to enjoy their ownership benefits, or they may choose to receive their share of the sale proceeds for their ownership interest."

So if the sale goes through we can opt to take a share of the sale & walk away?
 
I don't own any of the affected properties and can't speak to what to vote (or not) for. But.... seems you have a good handle overall on your account and have the details (on your side) that you will need to make a good decision (once you know, as best you can, what Wyndham is going to offer from their side). You brought up some great considerations / things people will want to keep in mind as things unfold. * You want to retain your grandfathered Gold and * You don't want your PICs messed up in the process. I would think all will be fine, but I'd want to confirm (get in writing if at all possible) when the time comes that you end up as expected. Hopefully they offer a CWA swap and the maintenance fees are lower (or at least similar) and you are left whole/as is.

I always say do your research, make your best guess at what is going to happen (because with Wyndham we never really know and they are not know for consistency), plan for the worst and hope for the best. Based on the (limited) information and tons of speculation around this, I'd sit and wait and see what happens, I think you are sitting good / have as best a handle on this as you can!
Thanks! I am going to "plan for the worst and hope for the best" and what @chapjim said, "hold on and see what happens."
 
It's the general statement about the situation by Club Wyndham corporate, not the HOA-specific mailing. However, there's nothing to indicate any of these locations would be excluded from this offer. Technically, until the vote has taken place there's no offer to be made, but I assume it would come later.

"Owners in good standing at these transitioned resorts will be offered the opportunity to swap their current inventory for equivalent Club Wyndham Access points at no cost to the owner. This way, owners can continue to enjoy their ownership benefits, or they may choose to receive their share of the sale proceeds for their ownership interest."

Thanks for mentioning that. I was not aware that Wyndham had issued it.
 
At the OIRC meeting on Aug 5, the vote to take the bankruptcy and sell the resort passed with 97%+ majority. Similar results for the other measures. Apparently, Wyndham will offer the option of taking CWA points in lieu of a portion of the sale proceeds. Each owner can make the decision that works best for them. Ofcourse, no one knows how long the sale process will take, nor how much the resort will sell for. Best guess was each owner might get around $4K per week. I would be thrilled with that.
 
i wasnt even able to click the link? is the meeting summary a video? minutes?
I think if your browser changes the "http" to "https" automatically, you get the security warning. You can only login to see documents and media if you are an owner, though. The recording is a video. I did not see minutes from the meeting, and the vote results are also posted.
I had attended the meeting via Zoom and remembered hearing someone ask a question about retaining VIP status if grandfathered/grandmothered in. I didn't hear the response so I found the part of the recording where that was asked and it sounded like the person answering the question said, "... if you elect to move into... Club Wyndham Access is what we're offering in terms of other timeshare interest if you want to go down that route. And so if you do, and you hav-, and you move into enough points where you would maintain that status, then yes, you would maintain it."
I had originally only heard "you would maintain that status," but I did not hear the part about moving into enough points to maintain the status. I am hoping that the person answering was talking about a situation where someone had not already converted their week to points and wished to do that instead of taking proceeds, if there are any, from the sale.
There was a Club Wyndham Access presentation after the HOA meeting, but that was not recorded, and I don't remember if the grandfathered VIP status was addressed in that presentation.

Edited to state that there is a draft of the meeting minutes posted.
 
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Thought I would document my experience with this process.

I decided to at least consider the swap offer but when neither I nor my dad had received any correspondence from Wyndham- email or paper letter, on 11/14 I called the 866-883-3640 Wyndham Inquiries number that I had seen posted in the long thread and spoke to someone who verified my ownership, email address and phone number, which matched what she saw in the system. I searched my emails (All and Spam) as well as my dad's. We did not find anything relating to the resort closings or CWA swap. I was receiving the Club Wyndham promotional emails fine though, LOL! Anyway, she said that someone would reach out to me by email or phone by 11/20.

I also sent an email to CWAinquiries@wyn.com on 11/19 so that I had something in writing where I stated that I had not received anything. By 11/24 I still had not received anything further, so I resent my email from 11/19 checking on it, and I called the inquiries number again on 11/25 to let them know that I was interested in considering the swap offer. I didn't want the 30 days deadline to pass before I had the chance to at least find out what the terms were.

My dad and I both finally received the swap email that we were waiting for on 11/26, subject "Update: Owners Association Vote". The email to my address was addressed to my dad, and the one sent to my dad's email address was addressed to me. Wyndham has our contact information all screwed up!

On 12/4 I received an @travelandleisure.com email from an "Owner Solutions Specialist" introducing herself to me and stating that she had reached out to my phone number and left a message. She then sent a follow-up email on 12/8 because I had not responded to her. I then responded via email on 12/9 letting her know that I had not received any voicemails from her, and neither had my dad, but I stated the times I would be available for a phone call later that day. I received a call from her that afternoon and we spoke briefly, verifying our ownership, contact information, and an overview of the swap process, if we decided to go through with it. She said that she would need to speak with my dad as well, so we scheduled another time when we could all be on the phone together, since my dad and I live in different states.
The conference call took place on 12/11, a Thursday, and she said we would receive documents to sign via Docusign on Friday, 12/12, and via email deedback documents that we would have to print, sign with notarization, and send back via a prepaid UPS label.

On 12/12, I received an email from another person @travelandleisure.com via Docusign, which were labeled: "Club Directory, RCI Directory, Disclosures and State Public Offering Statement," with the action to View Completed Documents. Presumably, this was sent to comply with the documents in the restructuring contracts that acknowledge that I received those documents. That same day, I received two other emails from the same person via Docusign, which were the restructuring contracts for me, and then my dad following in the workflow, to sign. The deedbacks were sent via email attachments from the Owner Solutions Specialist I had been speaking with. They gave us a deadline of 12/16 to Docusign the restructuring contracts and 12/17 to send back the deedbacks.

I looked over the documents during the weekend and formulated some questions, which I emailed back to the Owner Solutions Specialist:
1. Monthly payment for one of the contracts did not appear to be calculated correctly. The program fee was the minimum $213 instead of per thousand points. Our total billing points ownership including PIC points is 511,000, which exceeds the minimum program fee. I requested that they correct it.
2. The down payment section showed an amount as a trade-in credit on one of the contracts but as a down payment on the other. I requested that they move that amount to the trade-in credit line, so that it didn't appear that I owed a down payment. I realize that the net is $0, and somewhere else in the contract it says that fees to Wyndham are N/A, but it's the principle of the thing. I figured that if they did on my other contract, they could humor me on this one.
3. I requested confirmation that we would keep our VIP Gold status.

On 12/15 I received an email from a Wyndham Specialist offering to assist us with my questions, and I received a phone message from her on 12/16. I did not have time to get back to her, so I received a phone call and voice message from her supervisor the next day, 12/17, since the Wyndham Specialist was off that day, with responses to my emailed questions, which were:
-Monthly payment is correct. PIC points do not factor in the program fee.
-VIP Gold status would stay intact.
I called him back to discuss those responses:
1. RE: monthly payment, I calculated the cost of my maintenance fees for swapping both OIRC and Fairfield Glade contracts:
Our annual assessment statement last year showed the program fee as a line item for the 511,000 billing points:
$0.75 x 511 = $383.25
$383.25 divided by 12 months = $31.94
$31.94 x 12 months = $383.28 annual shown on 2025 annual assessment statement, which exceeds the minimum program fee. The 2026 program fee should be calculated similarly, except with the 2026 fee of $0.77 per thousand points.
I told him that the PIC points have always factored into the program fee this way. It's the only thing that Wyndham charges us for the PICs on our annual assessment statement. He said that the fees and the information on the restructuring contracts are automatically calculated by their system and "cannot be wrong." He said that if they were, thousands of contracts would be wrong, which has never happened before. I couldn't help but chuckle, and I said, "There's a first time for everything." Of course, I said that ironically, but it was probably lost on him. He said that he understood that I wanted to make sure that the fees were listed correctly, because being in the contract, that would be the exact amount that I would be charged. After our call, I emailed him a copy of our statement for him to bring to their Wyndham team for further discussion internally, and he would get back to me.
2. RE: Down payment - he said there had to be an amount in the line item, as all real estate transactions need to show something. I said that I understood that, but that I wanted the corresponding amount to be listed in the trade-in credit line, rather than on the cash down payment line. Again, he said that the amounts were automatically calculated and generated and couldn't be changed.
I thanked him for his time and said that I will wait for further consideration of the correction on the fee for my 126,000 points contract.

In the meantime, I notified the Owner Solutions Specialist that it was not possible for my dad to do his part and get the deedbacks notarized and sent by 12/17, as he is elderly and needs my assistance to get this done. A more reasonable date would be 12/23, when I would be visiting him for the holidays. I received an email from her yesterday, which said that she received approval from her manager to extend the deadline to 12/23.
The 23rd is today. I have received several reminders in the last few days to Docusign the contracts, but they still not been changed, so it doesn't look good for the contracts to be signed today, and hence the deedbacks will likely not be sent today either.

I am somewhat sad that I may have to let those contract points go. :(
 
Thought I would document my experience with this process.

I decided to at least consider the swap offer but when neither I nor my dad had received any correspondence from Wyndham- email or paper letter, on 11/14 I called the 866-883-3640 Wyndham Inquiries number that I had seen posted in the long thread and spoke to someone who verified my ownership, email address and phone number, which matched what she saw in the system. I searched my emails (All and Spam) as well as my dad's. We did not find anything relating to the resort closings or CWA swap. I was receiving the Club Wyndham promotional emails fine though, LOL! Anyway, she said that someone would reach out to me by email or phone by 11/20.

I also sent an email to CWAinquiries@wyn.com on 11/19 so that I had something in writing where I stated that I had not received anything. By 11/24 I still had not received anything further, so I resent my email from 11/19 checking on it, and I called the inquiries number again on 11/25 to let them know that I was interested in considering the swap offer. I didn't want the 30 days deadline to pass before I had the chance to at least find out what the terms were.

My dad and I both finally received the swap email that we were waiting for on 11/26, subject "Update: Owners Association Vote". The email to my address was addressed to my dad, and the one sent to my dad's email address was addressed to me. Wyndham has our contact information all screwed up!

On 12/4 I received an @travelandleisure.com email from an "Owner Solutions Specialist" introducing herself to me and stating that she had reached out to my phone number and left a message. She then sent a follow-up email on 12/8 because I had not responded to her. I then responded via email on 12/9 letting her know that I had not received any voicemails from her, and neither had my dad, but I stated the times I would be available for a phone call later that day. I received a call from her that afternoon and we spoke briefly, verifying our ownership, contact information, and an overview of the swap process, if we decided to go through with it. She said that she would need to speak with my dad as well, so we scheduled another time when we could all be on the phone together, since my dad and I live in different states.
The conference call took place on 12/11, a Thursday, and she said we would receive documents to sign via Docusign on Friday, 12/12, and via email deedback documents that we would have to print, sign with notarization, and send back via a prepaid UPS label.

On 12/12, I received an email from another person @travelandleisure.com via Docusign, which were labeled: "Club Directory, RCI Directory, Disclosures and State Public Offering Statement," with the action to View Completed Documents. Presumably, this was sent to comply with the documents in the restructuring contracts that acknowledge that I received those documents. That same day, I received two other emails from the same person via Docusign, which were the restructuring contracts for me, and then my dad following in the workflow, to sign. The deedbacks were sent via email attachments from the Owner Solutions Specialist I had been speaking with. They gave us a deadline of 12/16 to Docusign the restructuring contracts and 12/17 to send back the deedbacks.

I looked over the documents during the weekend and formulated some questions, which I emailed back to the Owner Solutions Specialist:
1. Monthly payment for one of the contracts did not appear to be calculated correctly. The program fee was the minimum $213 instead of per thousand points. Our total billing points ownership including PIC points is 511,000, which exceeds the minimum program fee. I requested that they correct it.
2. The down payment section showed an amount as a trade-in credit on one of the contracts but as a down payment on the other. I requested that they move that amount to the trade-in credit line, so that it didn't appear that I owed a down payment. I realize that the net is $0, and somewhere else in the contract it says that fees to Wyndham are N/A, but it's the principle of the thing. I figured that if they did on my other contract, they could humor me on this one.
3. I requested confirmation that we would keep our VIP Gold status.

On 12/15 I received an email from a Wyndham Specialist offering to assist us with my questions, and I received a phone message from her on 12/16. I did not have time to get back to her, so I received a phone call and voice message from her supervisor the next day, 12/17, since the Wyndham Specialist was off that day, with responses to my emailed questions, which were:
-Monthly payment is correct. PIC points do not factor in the program fee.
-VIP Gold status would stay intact.
I called him back to discuss those responses:
1. RE: monthly payment, I calculated the cost of my maintenance fees for swapping both OIRC and Fairfield Glade contracts:
Our annual assessment statement last year showed the program fee as a line item for the 511,000 billing points:
$0.75 x 511 = $383.25
$383.25 divided by 12 months = $31.94
$31.94 x 12 months = $383.28 annual shown on 2025 annual assessment statement, which exceeds the minimum program fee. The 2026 program fee should be calculated similarly, except with the 2026 fee of $0.77 per thousand points.
I told him that the PIC points have always factored into the program fee this way. It's the only thing that Wyndham charges us for the PICs on our annual assessment statement. He said that the fees and the information on the restructuring contracts are automatically calculated by their system and "cannot be wrong." He said that if they were, thousands of contracts would be wrong, which has never happened before. I couldn't help but chuckle, and I said, "There's a first time for everything." Of course, I said that ironically, but it was probably lost on him. He said that he understood that I wanted to make sure that the fees were listed correctly, because being in the contract, that would be the exact amount that I would be charged. After our call, I emailed him a copy of our statement for him to bring to their Wyndham team for further discussion internally, and he would get back to me.
2. RE: Down payment - he said there had to be an amount in the line item, as all real estate transactions need to show something. I said that I understood that, but that I wanted the corresponding amount to be listed in the trade-in credit line, rather than on the cash down payment line. Again, he said that the amounts were automatically calculated and generated and couldn't be changed.
I thanked him for his time and said that I will wait for further consideration of the correction on the fee for my 126,000 points contract.

In the meantime, I notified the Owner Solutions Specialist that it was not possible for my dad to do his part and get the deedbacks notarized and sent by 12/17, as he is elderly and needs my assistance to get this done. A more reasonable date would be 12/23, when I would be visiting him for the holidays. I received an email from her yesterday, which said that she received approval from her manager to extend the deadline to 12/23.
The 23rd is today. I have received several reminders in the last few days to Docusign the contracts, but they still not been changed, so it doesn't look good for the contracts to be signed today, and hence the deedbacks will likely not be sent today either.

I am somewhat sad that I may have to let those contract points go. :(
Not that it's my place to tell you how to feel, but given this experience, don't feel so sad. It doesn't seem like Wyndahm is going out of their way to help you keep paying them, so maybe look at it as a headache you don't need going forward? Sorry you'll lose your VIP status, however.
 
I'm sure if you really want to keep the points, they will go out of their way to make it happen, despite the date passing, especially since you have all this documented in correspondance.
 
Not that it's my place to tell you how to feel, but given this experience, don't feel so sad. It doesn't seem like Wyndahm is going out of their way to help you keep paying them, so maybe look at it as a headache you don't need going forward? Sorry you'll lose your VIP status, however.
I'm only somewhat sad. It's not lost on me that this is the easiest and least expensive way to get rid of a timeshare, and I'm getting rid of two! And I might actually receive some small amount from sales of the properties, though I'm not counting on it. Losing VIP Gold hurts, though.

I'm sure if you really want to keep the points, they will go out of their way to make it happen, despite the date passing, especially since you have all this documented in correspondance.
Maybe so. Perhaps after the contracts went through, my PIC points would have been counted correctly when calculating the program fee, and they just weren't being considered in drawing up the contracts. It doesn't sound like that is the case, though. I would be curious to know how the fees were calculated for other owners taking the swap, who also own other contracts.
 
Just thinking out loud. Would this be a situation where the broker in charge could assist you?
 
Just thinking out loud. Would this be a situation where the broker in charge could assist you?
Thanks. I don't know who else I can talk to. I have spoken with the supervisor, who said that he checked with his boss. They are not changing anything. At this point, I feel like I should be glad to be rid of the headache, get out while I can, and enjoy the Christmas and New Year's holidays. 🎄🥂🍾🎆
 
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