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New scientific paper: offshore wind turbines alter marine eco-system, could shift ocean currents

All AI is doing is concatenating data from the same “real people” articles that you’re posting - it has access to all of it - even those behind paywalls - and then presenting a balanced analysis based upon the macro essentially.

Have you even read any of the Grok responses I’ve sent? You’d likely be shocked to learn that they primarily agree with your recent posts. Maybe you should reconsider your skepticism with this in mind? Just an idea. I would think having a comprehensive AI analysis actually support many of the underlying bases of your points would actually provide proof of what you’re trying to argue. That would seem to me to be helpful to your cause IMHO. What do you have to lose taking this approach? Who knows, you may just learn something in the process, which is the end goal for everyone is it not? Food for thought…


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AI doesn't know its circuits from a hole in the ground. I generally ignore the AI crap that comes up with searches, but when I went to a Congressional candidate's site with a search, I was curious what it said so I took a look Their results were so out of date, not only did they not mention his running for congress, which he had been for several months, but they still had him as a state representative, while in the real world he had moved up to the state senate six years earlier. A bit later I wanted to look up mintage figures on some Danish gold 10 kronors I had just bought. Having just received the ignorant response on the other search from AI, I made a point to look at this one. Stupid AI told me that my 90% gold coin was 90% silver.

Nope, no confidence in AI credibility.
 
At least this thread isn't political or involve contentious social issues. Though the main antagonist is definitely part of a religious cult.

Renowned novelist Michael Crichton wrote an excellent essay on global warming as a religion. Maybe I should try to find a link to it. Others have dubbed it Climate Scientology. The climate industrial complex banks off that cult but seem more interested in maximizing their cash flow.
 
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I haven't seen any of the apologists for the climate industrial complex try to defend this one, and this sort of thing is all too common. Come on, the silence is deafening.

 
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Two posters here have posted on large storage batteries to deal with the intermittent nature of wind and solar, and they each used different acronyms for such systems (one was "cess" which makes me think of "cesspool"). Many of these big batteries and their home-installed little brothers are made in China. China is a major rival to the US and other western countries. A major newspaper in Australia, The Australian has raised the potential of the Chinese using these for asymmetric warfare. While everything at that newspaper is behind a paywall, Australian energy blogger Jo Nova was quoted parts of it and expanded on the topic.


Five Australian wind energy companies have already found asbestos in Chinese made wind turbines, but there could be things a lot worse. We give them too much potential control over our energy when we install these products.

The lithium in these things will burn very hot, with toxic fumes, and hard to extinguish. Below is an actual lithium battery fire in one of these big batteries:
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Two posters here have posted on large storage batteries to deal with the intermittent nature of wind and solar, and they each used different acronyms for such systems (one was "cess" which makes me think of "cesspool"). Many of these big batteries and their home-installed little brothers are made in China. China is a major rival to the US and other western countries. A major newspaper in Australia, The Australian has raised the potential of the Chinese using these for asymmetric warfare. While everything at that newspaper is behind a paywall, Australian energy blogger Jo Nova was quoted parts of it and expanded on the topic.


Five Australian wind energy companies have already found asbestos in Chinese made wind turbines, but there could be things a lot worse. We give them too much potential control over our energy when we install these products.



The "cesspool" continues ............ ;)



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AI doesn't know its circuits from a hole in the ground. I generally ignore the AI crap that comes up with searches, but when I went to a Congressional candidate's site with a search, I was curious what it said so I took a look Their results were so out of date, not only did they not mention his running for congress, which he had been for several months, but they still had him as a state representative, while in the real world he had moved up to the state senate six years earlier. A bit later I wanted to look up mintage figures on some Danish gold 10 kronors I had just bought. Having just received the ignorant response on the other search from AI, I made a point to look at this one. Stupid AI told me that my 90% gold coin was 90% silver.

Nope, no confidence in AI credibility.

What AI did you use and when did this take place? The AI being used matters, and the when also matters. I challenge you to use Grok 4.1 today for those exact same queries and see if you do or do not get accurate results. And today is the worst it will ever be, it’s only getting better over time. Your assessment assumes these technologies never improve - when they are all literally improving every day - often in significant leaps with every dot release - such as from Grok 4 to 4.1. It’s not perfect, but it’s amazingly more accurate and better than it was even six months ago. Why do you seem to adopt an attitude that just because a negative result occurs at any one moment in the past, that nothing ever improves? Is this the logic you use to make decisions in life? Binary thinking again…


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Good video from Alliance for Responsible Citizenship on the staggering cost of Green Energy:

 
Two posters here have posted on large storage batteries to deal with the intermittent nature of wind and solar, and they each used different acronyms for such systems (one was "cess" which makes me think of "cesspool"). Many of these big batteries and their home-installed little brothers are made in China. China is a major rival to the US and other western countries. A major newspaper in Australia, The Australian has raised the potential of the Chinese using these for asymmetric warfare. While everything at that newspaper is behind a paywall, Australian energy blogger Jo Nova was quoted parts of it and expanded on the topic.


Five Australian wind energy companies have already found asbestos in Chinese made wind turbines, but there could be things a lot worse. We give them too much potential control over our energy when we install these products.

The lithium in these things will burn very hot, with toxic fumes, and hard to extinguish. Below is an actual lithium battery fire in one of these big batteries:
battery-fire.png

Tesla CESS’s are all manufactured only in Tesla Megapactories only by Tesla. I cannot speak for other providers, but your thesis falls flat on its face when it comes to Tesla CESS.


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SkyNews Australia did a good documentary on The Real Cost of Net Zero, the shocking truth of the renewable energy push

 
Tesla CESS’s are all manufactured only in Tesla Megapactories only by Tesla. I cannot speak for other providers, but your thesis falls flat on its face when it comes to Tesla CESS.


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A different acronym was used by another poster, so I imagine cess may be proprietary with Tesla. Even if they are assembled there, do they use components from China?????

It is NOT "my" thesis. Don't shoot the messenger. It is the concern of a reporter at one of Australia's largest newspapers.
 
It is not surprising that your link goes to an organization that is part of the climate industrial complex. No wonder they use LCOE.

"Levelized cost of energy" is a fraudulent calculation that ignores the massive system costs of wind and solar which make it much more expensive by the time it reaches your meter box. You have probably failed to watch this video, but it gives a very good explanation of why system costs make wind and solar the most expensive way to make electricity. (the calculations on cost of various generation sources starts at about the 6:00 point) Since Brett keeps constantly reposting the same undocumented fluff, I will post this excellent analysis again so maybe you will take the time to watch it this time:

 
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A different acronym was used by another poster, so I imagine cess may be proprietary with Tesla. Even if they are assembled there, do they use components from China?????

It is NOT "my" thesis. Don't shoot the messenger. It is the concern of a reporter at one of Australia's largest newspapers.
Tesla uses a bi-furcated manufacturing approach so it's not a binary answer. There's a megafactory in Shanghai - however most of the megapacks produced in that factory sell only to APAC customers - primarily to Chinese buyers actually - so those megapacks never leave mainland China - since they are a huge consumer of all things solar/battery. The other two megafactories are located in Cali and Texas (still being built - not online yet). I know you don't like AI - but Grok gives a better answer on this topic than I ever could here: https://x.com/i/grok/share/HQgwEugLE9ixX2aIdjptzQRGM

Long story short, due to tariff policies (this isn't a political comment - just a reality) - Musk has been moving away from foreign sourced parts - because they are all tariffed - especially those from China. By late 2026 - the US Megafactory plants - which only use highly vetted foreign sourced parts from China consisting of 10-20% of overall parts makeup. Most of these parts are the actual batteries within the packs from CATL - the LFP packs. Once the lithium refinery in Texas is fully online - Tesla will no longer be dependent upon foreign sources for the production and refinement of lithium - which is why Tesla is stating that by late 2026 they will no longer be reliant upon China for any parts related to Megapacks at least.

Q: Do Tesla Megafactories source parts from China, and if so, exactly what proportion of parts are from China and how does Tesla mitigate security concerns given China is rumored to embed security hacks into their parts?

A: Tesla Megafactories and Sourcing from ChinaTesla's "Megafactories" refer to its large-scale facilities dedicated to producing Megapacks, which are grid-scale lithium-ion battery energy storage systems. As of December 2025, Tesla operates three such facilities:
  • Lathrop, California (US): Opened in 2022, with annual capacity exceeding 40 GWh (enough for ~10,000 Megapacks).
  • Shanghai, China: Opened in early 2025, with similar scale and focused on both domestic and export markets.
  • Brookshire, Texas (Houston area, US): Groundbreaking in November 2025, with ~$200 million investment and expected to add significant capacity starting in 2026–2027.
These factories source components like battery cells, inverters, enclosures, and power electronics from global suppliers. However, sourcing varies significantly by location due to Tesla's bifurcated supply chain strategy: highly localized in China for cost efficiency, and increasingly "China-free" in the US to comply with tariffs, incentives, and geopolitical de-risking.Do Megafactories Source Parts from China?Yes, but it depends on the factory:
  • Shanghai Megafactory: Heavily reliant on Chinese sourcing, mirroring Tesla's broader Gigafactory Shanghai operations.
  • US Megafactories (Lathrop and Brookshire): Historically included some Chinese components but are actively transitioning away from them.
Proportion of Parts from ChinaExact proportions for Megapack-specific components aren't publicly disclosed in granular detail (Tesla's reports focus more on vehicle supply chains). However, based on Tesla's overall battery and energy storage ecosystem:
  • Shanghai Megafactory: Over 95% of components are sourced locally from China. This includes key battery cells (e.g., from CATL or BYD), thermal management systems, and structural parts. Tesla contracts with ~400 Chinese Tier-1 suppliers for its Shanghai operations, with >60 integrated into global chains—many supplying energy storage. Local sourcing enables rapid production (e.g., the factory hit 1,000 Megapacks in under six months) and low costs, with the first exports to Europe and Australia in mid-2025.
  • US Megafactories: Currently ~10–20% (estimated based on pre-2025 vehicle battery sourcing), but Tesla mandated a full phase-out of China-made components in early 2025. Some parts (e.g., certain rare-earth magnets or sub-components) have already been replaced with alternatives from Mexico, Southeast Asia, or the US. The goal is 0% China-sourced by late 2026–2027, aligning with battery production shifts to Nevada (for cells) and Lathrop. This reduces exposure to tariffs (up to 100% on Chinese EVs/batteries) and supports US incentives like the Inflation Reduction Act.
Factory LocationEstimated China-Sourced Proportion (2025)Target by 2027Key Chinese-Sourced Parts (Pre-Phase-Out)
Shanghai>95%N/A (localized)Battery cells (e.g., LFP from CATL), inverters, enclosures
Lathrop (CA)10–20% (declining)0%Sub-components like magnets, wiring harnesses
Brookshire (TX)<10% (new build)0%Minimal; focused on US/Mexico suppliers from start

These figures are derived from Tesla's Q3 2025 earnings disclosures, supplier reports, and regulatory filings, which emphasize >95% localization in China and de-risking in the US.

Mitigating Security Concerns, Including Rumors of Embedded Hacks

Rumors of China embedding "security hacks" (e.g., hardware backdoors in chips or components for espionage/sabotage) stem from broader US national security fears about Chinese tech in connected devices. The Biden administration's September 2024 proposed rules (effective 2025–2026) ban Chinese software/hardware in "connected vehicles" due to risks like data exfiltration or remote control via backdoors. Similar concerns apply to energy storage systems like Megapacks, which connect to grids and could theoretically enable cyber threats (e.g., disrupting power via manipulated inverters). No verified incidents of such hacks in Tesla parts have been reported, but the risks are amplified by China's dominance in battery supply chains (~80% global share).Tesla mitigates these through a multi-layered approach, emphasizing software control, supply chain diversification, and rigorous vetting—rather than relying solely on hardware origin:
  1. Supply Chain De-Risking and Localization:
    • US Bifurcation: Excluding China-made parts for US-built products (including Megapacks) eliminates hardware risks at the source. This started in 2023 amid tariff hikes and accelerated in 2025 under US Commerce Department rules. Alternatives include Panasonic (US/Japan cells), LG Energy Solution (South Korea/US), and new Mexico-based plants for sub-components.
    • Dual Strategy: Shanghai operations remain China-localized for efficiency, but US factories use "China-free" chains to avoid cross-contamination. Tesla VP Grace Tao emphasized in November 2025: "We apply unified, rigorous standards based on quality, cost, and continuity—not origin."
  2. Software and Firmware Security:
    • Code Signing and OTA Updates: Since 2016 (post-Chinese white-hat hacks), Tesla requires cryptographic signing for all CAN bus firmware (the network controlling batteries, inverters, etc.). Only Tesla holds the keys, preventing unauthorized modifications. Over-the-air (OTA) updates patch vulnerabilities fleet-wide, as seen in rapid fixes for Keen Lab demos (e.g., remote brake control in 2016–2019).
    • Air-Gapped Critical Systems: Megapack inverters and battery management systems (BMS) use isolated networks, limiting remote access. Tesla's Autopilot-derived AI monitors for anomalies, and grid integrations require third-party certifications (e.g., UL 9540 for fire/cyber safety).
  3. Supplier Vetting and Compliance:
    • Tiered Audits: All suppliers (Chinese or otherwise) undergo Tesla's "objective standards" for cybersecurity, including penetration testing and forced-labor checks (e.g., Uyghur compliance for CATL suppliers). >60 Chinese firms are global-integrated but must meet US export controls.
    • Regulatory Alignment: Complies with US ICTS (Information and Communications Technology Security) rules banning Chinese "connected" hardware, ensuring Megapacks qualify for federal credits.
  4. Broader Risk Management:
    • Diversification: Expanding non-China battery production (e.g., Nevada's 4680 cells) reduces single-point failures. In 2025, Tesla invested in Southeast Asian and Mexican suppliers for 20–30% of global battery needs.
    • Incident Response: Tesla's bug bounty program (paying up to $1M for critical flaws) has resolved dozens of issues, including those from Chinese researchers. No state-sponsored hacks in parts have been confirmed, but the phase-out addresses hypothetical risks.
In summary, while Shanghai Megafactories are deeply China-integrated, US ones are pivoting to zero reliance, directly mitigating hardware risks. Tesla's software dominance (e.g., proprietary BMS) provides a strong buffer against embedded threats, substantiated by years of proactive patching. If rumors escalate, further US bans could accelerate this trend industry-wide.
 
I haven't seen any of the apologists for the climate industrial complex try to defend this one, and this sort of thing is all too common. Come on, the silence is deafening.

The video shows miles of undeveloped land surrounding the project

Here is a quick summation of the land used
Question to Copilot:
How much undeveloped forest is there around the lotus creek wind project in Queensland

Direct answer: Around the Lotus Creek Wind Project in Central Queensland, clearing approvals cover roughly 399 hectares of forest, including 345 hectares of koala habitat. However, mapping disputes suggest actual clearing could reach over 680 hectares, with much of it being undeveloped forest. The project also designates a 4,500-hectare offset area to compensate for habitat loss.

🌳 Forest and Habitat Breakdown​

CategoryArea (ha)Notes
Non-remnant Category X vegetation97.6 haLow ecological value but still forested land
“Least concern” forests577.7 haKoala habitat; considered undeveloped forest
“Of concern” forests8.3 haHigher conservation priority
Approved clearing footprint399.1 haIncludes 345 ha of koala habitat
Environmental offset area4,500 haSet aside within project site, >10× clearing footprint

The quick answer
There were also 100 Koalas living within an area that could possibly be disturbed

The Koala population in Queensland is estimated to be around 35,000 animals
 
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The video shows miles of undeveloped land surrounding the project

Here is a quick summation of the land used
Question to Copilot:
How much undeveloped forest is there around the lotus creek wind project in Queensland

Direct answer: Around the Lotus Creek Wind Project in Central Queensland, clearing approvals cover roughly 399 hectares of forest, including 345 hectares of koala habitat. However, mapping disputes suggest actual clearing could reach over 680 hectares, with much of it being undeveloped forest. The project also designates a 4,500-hectare offset area to compensate for habitat loss.

🌳 Forest and Habitat Breakdown​

CategoryArea (ha)Notes
Non-remnant Category X vegetation97.6 haLow ecological value but still forested land
“Least concern” forests577.7 haKoala habitat; considered undeveloped forest
“Of concern” forests8.3 haHigher conservation priority
Approved clearing footprint399.1 haIncludes 345 ha of koala habitat
Environmental offset area4,500 haSet aside within project site, >10× clearing footprint

The quick answer
There were also 100 Koalas living within an area that could possibly be disturbed

The Koala population in Queensland is estimated to be around 35,000 animals

You have recited the climate industrial complex's position. You saw in the video, the position of the local environmentalists. It is not just koalas, although they are important. It is virgin rain forest that is being destroyed by being industrialized for wind turbines, and rare plants and other wildlife. The same environmental group put out a report I posted earlier on the devastation of bird life in another wind turbine project in what had been a birders' paradise. They also told you in the video that the "offset" was a scam.

The climate industrial complex is also clearcuttng swaths of the Amazon rain forest, the lungs of the planet, for balsa wood to make wind turbine blades (link also previously posted)

This is just like the attitude toward nature in the rest of the world by the climate industrial complex and its suppoerters. Whether it is clearcutting 13.9 million trees in Scotland (link previously posted) or the destruction of the ancient Reinhardtswald forest, setting of Grimm's Fairy Tales in Germany (link previously posted), or similar projects in other countries, land intensive wind and solar are bad for the REAL environment, both trees and other plants, and wildlife. Slaughtering birds, whales, and other wildlife means nothing to them.
 
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You have recited the climate industrial complex's position. You saw in the video, the position of the local environmentalists. It is not just koalas, although they are important. It is virgin rain forest that is being destroyed by being industrialized for wind turbines, and rare plants and other wildlife. The same environmental group put out a report I posted earlier on the devastation of bird life in another wind turbine project in what had been a birders' paradise. They also told you in the video that the "offset" was a scam.

The climate industrial complex is also clearcuttng swaths of the Amazon rain forest, the lungs of the planet, for balsa wood to make wind turbine blades (link also previously posted)

This is just like the attitude toward nature in the rest of the world by the climate industrial complex and its suppoerters. Whether it is clearcutting 13.9 million trees in Scotland (link previously posted) or the destruction of the ancient Reinhardtswald forest, setting of Grimm's Fairy Tales in Germany (link previously posted), or similar projects in other countries, land intensive wind and solar are bad for the REAL environment, both trees and other plants, and wildlife. Slaughtering birds, whales, and other wildlife means nothing to them.
When your house was built it destroyed the native ecosystem
When roads were built to link American cities, native ecosystems were destroyed
When Amazon rainforest land was cleared to grow soybeans, native ecosystems were destroyed
When Natural Gas Wells are set up to extract Gas, native ecosystems are destroyed
When Appalachia was devastated to mine for coal, native ecosystems were destroyed
When old gas and oil wells are abandoned and left to leak toxics onto the land, native ecosystems are destroyed
etc., etc.

I live in a state with an extensive ecosystem of farms and wildlife
People fly in from around the world to hunt pheasant, ducks, and geese here
I know where the eagles' nests are located on the Missouri River for 50 miles headed up to Garrison Dam
I know that more birds are killed by cars than the wind farms here in the state

When you are ready to acknowledge the widespread pollution and destruction of other forms of electrical production
Maybe I will give a damn about the miniscule amount of habitat destruction you seem to care about
 
When your house was built it destroyed the native ecosystem
When roads were built to link American cities, native ecosystems were destroyed
When Amazon rainforest land was cleared to grow soybeans, native ecosystems were destroyed
When Natural Gas Wells are set up to extract Gas, native ecosystems are destroyed
When Appalachia was devastated to mine for coal, native ecosystems were destroyed
When old gas and oil wells are abandoned and left to leak toxics onto the land, native ecosystems are destroyed
etc., etc.

I live in a state with an extensive ecosystem of farms and wildlife
People fly in from around the world to hunt pheasant, ducks, and geese here
I know where the eagles' nests are located on the Missouri River for 50 miles headed up to Garrison Dam
I know that more birds are killed by cars than the wind farms here in the state

When you are ready to acknowledge the widespread pollution and destruction of other forms of electrical production
Maybe I will give a damn about the miniscule amount of habitat destruction you seem to care about
Wind and solar are MUCH more land intensive than other electric generation sources, and therefore do more harm to the environment
 
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