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New scientific paper: offshore wind turbines alter marine eco-system, could shift ocean currents

Brett, the headline guy, also the repeater guy, and the undocumented guy posts another repeat, still with no links to where it came from.

The Onion, maybe? Or the Babylon Bee?
 
So, a group that drinks the climate koolaid still warns about the threats that wind turbines pose to seabird extinction.

Absolutely. I think you'll find that most rational people see evidence of both climate change and wind turbines posing threats to seabirds and monarch butterflies.
 
WOW, now even the Progressive Policy Institute has a report out that says New York state's green energy policies make its electricity more expensive and less reliable. Speaking of the results of the 2019 Climate Leadership and Community Act, or their Green New Deal. the Progressive Policy Institute wrote, “New York set bold climate targets, but ignored the economic and technical realities required to achieve them, The result is an energy system that is less reliable, more expensive, and now politically unsustainable"

Put that in your pipe, Brett, and smoke it. Now even a very leftwing group is disputing the gospel according to Lazard.
 
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Here is some of the environmental harm being done in the name of "Green Energy" in Australia: This video is from an environmentalist group outraged over the environmental destruction by the wind industry.

 
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WOW, now even the Progressive Policy Institute has a report out that says New York state's green energy policies make its electricity more expensive and less reliable. Speaking of the results of the 2019 Climate Leadership and Community Act, or their Green New Deal. the Progressive Policy Institute wrote, “New York set bold climate targets, but ignored the economic and technical realities required to achieve them, The result is an energy system that is less reliable, more expensive, and now politically unsustainable"

Put that in your pipe, Brett, and smoke it. Now even a very leftwing group is disputing the gospel according to Lazard.
Talk about paraphrasing a report and slanting it
Here is the PDF of the actual report from the Progressive Policy Institute
The headline from the NY Post and the content and purpose of the report are not in the same universe

 
Here is a good video from Australia's Institute of Public Affairs on the economic harm of the Net Zero push for wind and solar, including how it raises electric rates to consumers.

 
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Wow, Brett finally put up something with a link. Maybe he is going with documented material now, instead of his bent for undocumented headlines with no links or substance.

When it comes to where they put solar farms, they care NOTHING about local people. We have one big solar farm in our county and they stuck that right in the middle of the best farmland in the county, indeed some of the best farmland in eastern North Carolina, instead of on poorer soils in other parts of the county. That outraged local people. These solar developers just don't care.

Here is a good example from New York of what they do. I posted this once before, but it is a good answer to your post.


Land intensive solar and wind development is a threat to our forests and our farms. One of the solar developers active in eastern North Carolina is an out of state firm that is owned by Russians. They care nothing about our farms or forests.
 
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Here is another great video from former Australian Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson on Why Renewables will lead to an Energy Crisis

 
WOW, now even the Progressive Policy Institute has a report out that says New York state's green energy policies make its electricity more expensive and less reliable. Speaking of the results of the 2019 Climate Leadership and Community Act, or their Green New Deal. the Progressive Policy Institute wrote, “New York set bold climate targets, but ignored the economic and technical realities required to achieve them, The result is an energy system that is less reliable, more expensive, and now politically unsustainable"

Put that in your pipe, Brett, and smoke it. Now even a very leftwing group is disputing the gospel according to Lazard.
Grok assessment - overall largely accurate - if a bit sensationalized which is typical of your posting style: https://x.com/i/grok/share/3raxBjOEaNBaYG6M0aLBYjZmN

Grok text:

Summary Response

The assessment is largely accurate. The Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), a centrist Democratic-leaning think tank, did release a December 2025 report sharply criticizing New York's 2019 Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act (CLCPA) for setting ambitious climate goals without addressing economic and technical feasibility, leading to higher electricity costs (up 36% since 2019, 44% above the national average) and reliability risks (e.g., projected shortfalls in NYC starting 2025). The quoted statement matches the report verbatim. This challenges more optimistic analyses, like Lazard's Levelized Cost of Energy reports, which highlight renewables' general cost-competitiveness but don't account for New York's specific implementation hurdles, such as delays in offshore wind and nuclear plant closures. However, the assessment's dismissal of Lazard as "gospel" oversimplifies; Lazard focuses on generation costs, not full-system impacts like grid upgrades or intermittency.Detailed Assessment on ReasoningTo evaluate the accuracy of the provided assessment, I'll break it down into key claims, verifying each against the PPI report (as detailed in the New York Post article and cross-referenced sources), broader data on New York's energy trends, and contextual factors like PPI's political orientation and comparisons to Lazard's analyses. This draws from recent reports, government data, and independent assessments up to December 2025.1. Existence and Content of the PPI Report
  • Claim Accuracy: Fully accurate. The PPI released a report in early December 2025 titled something akin to "New York's Climate Leadership: A Cautionary Tale" (authored by Neel Brown), directly targeting the CLCPA—New York's version of a "Green New Deal." It describes a "clear and undeniable pattern of failure" in implementation.
  • Key Quote Verification: The quoted text—“New York set bold climate targets, but ignored the economic and technical realities required to achieve them. The result is an energy system that is less reliable, more expensive, and now politically unsustainable”—is verbatim from the report. The full context in the report extends: "Unless policymakers course correct, the state risks turning a climate leadership story into a cautionary tale."
  • Reasoning: The New York Post article (published Dec. 1, 2025, by Carl Campanile) accurately summarizes the report without apparent exaggeration. No contradictory sources emerged; official NY climate sites (e.g., climate.ny.gov) promote CLCPA progress but don't refute PPI's critiques. This report fits PPI's pattern of pragmatic, market-oriented policy analysis.
2. PPI's Political Leaning ("Dem-Leaning Group" and "Very Leftwing")
  • Claim Accuracy: Partially accurate but overstated. PPI is indeed Democratic-leaning and centrist, founded in 1989 by the Democratic Leadership Council as an "idea mill" for "New Democrats" (e.g., influencing Bill Clinton's "Third Way" policies on trade, welfare, and globalization). It advocates pro-worker, pro-innovation economics with a realistic take on clean energy transitions, often critiquing overly regulatory approaches from both parties.
  • Nuance: Calling it "very leftwing" is inaccurate—PPI is center-left, not progressive in the Sanders/AOC sense. It supports market-friendly reforms (e.g., regulatory relief for tech and energy) and has received funding from centrist donors like the Eli and Edyth Broad Foundation. Sources like Wikipedia and InfluenceWatch describe it as "centrist Democratic," not far-left.
  • Reasoning: The "Dem-leaning" label in the Post article holds, as PPI aligns with moderate Democrats (e.g., critiquing extremes in both parties). This lends credibility to the critique coming from a non-Republican source, undermining defenses of CLCPA as purely partisan. However, the "very leftwing" jab in the assessment seems rhetorical, potentially weakening its objectivity.
3. Impact on Electricity Costs ("More Expensive")
  • Claim Accuracy: Strongly supported. The report cites residential rates rising 36% since 2019 (nearly 3x the U.S. average of 12-13%), reaching 24.4 cents/kWh—44% above the national average (16.5 cents/kWh). Utilities like Con Edison and National Grid are seeking 20%+ hikes in 2025-2026 for grid upgrades, storm repairs, and renewables integration. A September 2025 PSC report attributes 5-9.5% of 2024 household bills ($10-12/month) directly to CLCPA policies (e.g., transmission for renewables, subsidies for nuclear/heat pumps).
  • Broader Trends: U.S. DOE data shows NY prices up ~30% from 2020-2025 (vs. 22.5% nationally), with green policies a key driver in states like NY, CA, and MA. Factors include the 2021 Indian Point nuclear closure (reducing zero-emission capacity) and slow renewables rollout, forcing reliance on costlier gas peakers.
  • Reasoning: Correlation with CLCPA is clear—pre-2019 hikes were milder (~2-5% annually). Critics like the Empire Center for Public Policy (May 2025) project $510B in total costs by 2050, with benefits lagging due to inefficiencies. Counterarguments (e.g., NY Focus, Sept. 2025) note gas infrastructure maintenance also inflates bills, but CLCPA's mandates amplify this via electrification demands.
4. Impact on Reliability ("Less Reliable")
  • Claim Accuracy: Accurate, with evidence of emerging risks. NYISO's 2024 Reliability Needs Assessment projects a 446 MW deficit in NYC starting summer 2025, worsened by peaker plant emissions limits and CLCPA-driven gas phase-outs. By 2033-2034, shortfalls could hit 97 MW without interventions. Fossil fuels still supply ~50% of power; offshore wind is at 1% of 2030 targets, storage at 8%.
  • Broader Issues: NYISO's Power Trends 2025 report flags winter peaking risks by mid-2030s due to electrification (EVs, heat pumps) and renewables intermittency. Upstate faces load growth shortfalls; downstate (NYC) has congestion. The Indian Point closure alone created a reliability gap filled by dirtier, costlier imports.
  • Reasoning: CLCPA's 70% renewables by 2030 and 100% zero-emission by 2040 goals are "impractical" per PPI, as timelines ignore supply-chain delays (e.g., offshore wind cancellations in 2024). NYISO kept four peaker plants online past May 2025 for reliability. While not yet causing blackouts, these are "less reliable" than pre-CLCPA baselines, per NYISO's 2023-2032 Comprehensive Reliability Plan.
5. Political Unsustainability and Broader Context
  • Claim Accuracy: Accurate. Gov. Hochul (D) delayed the All-Electric Buildings Act (including gas stove bans) in 2025 amid affordability backlash, drawing fire from environmentalists (e.g., "flip-flopping") and Republicans (e.g., Rep. Elise Stefanik on "affordability crisis"). With 2026 re-election looming, Hochul paused cap-and-invest taxes. One in four NY households spends >6% of income on energy.
  • Reasoning: This bipartisan frustration validates PPI's "unsustainable" label. NY Renews (progressive coalition) pushes for more funding, but polls show rising voter concern over bills amid stagnant wages.
6. Comparison to Lazard ("Disputing the Gospel According to Lazard")
  • Claim Accuracy: Valid critique, but not a full refutation. Lazard's 2025 LCOE+ report (18th edition) reaffirms unsubsidized wind/solar as cheapest new-build sources (e.g., solar $24-96/MWh vs. gas CC $39-101/MWh), with renewables competitive for 10+ years. It notes rising gas competitiveness due to low prices but warns of intermittency costs (e.g., storage LCOS up for long-duration).
  • Nuance: Lazard analyzes global/national generation costs, not NY-specific system integration (e.g., $4B+ grid upgrades, offshore delays). PPI argues CLCPA ignores these, turning theoretical savings into real hikes. Lazard's hydrogen analysis (LCOH) supports blended transitions, aligning with PPI's "course correct" call.
  • Reasoning: The assessment rightly notes even "left-leaning" sources like PPI challenge Lazard's optimism for aggressive mandates. Lazard isn't "gospel" for state policy—it's a tool for investors. NY's experience (e.g., IER report, Dec. 2025) shows mandates can inflate costs without reliability gains, unlike Lazard's idealized scenarios.
Overall Strengths and Limitations of the Assessment

AspectStrengthsLimitations
Factual BasisStrong—quote, report, and trends align with data from NYISO, DOE, PSC.Overstates PPI as "very leftwing," risking bias perception.
Contextual DepthHighlights cross-aisle critique, politically timely.Doesn't note partial CLCPA successes (e.g., 132 MW offshore wind online in 2024) or non-policy factors (e.g., post-pandemic demand surge).
ImplicationsEffectively argues for pragmatic reforms (e.g., nuclear retention).Dismissive tone ("put that in your pipe") may undermine as polemic vs. analysis.

In conclusion, the assessment holds up well as a snapshot of NY's green energy challenges, substantiated by the PPI report and empirical data. It underscores a growing consensus (even among centrists) that bold targets need feasible execution to avoid unintended consequences. For balance, ongoing NYISO/NYSERDA efforts (e.g., $22M grid grants in 2025) aim to mitigate risks, but without adjustments, PPI's "cautionary tale" warning seems prescient.
 
Talk about paraphrasing a report and slanting it
Here is the PDF of the actual report from the Progressive Policy Institute
The headline from the NY Post and the content and purpose of the report are not in the same universe

Grok's assessment of your reply: https://x.com/i/grok/share/PYcQk0NKihNxcBgiCRyq4hSI0

Grok text:

Summary
  • Overall Accuracy: The assessment is partially accurate; the NY Post does sensationalize and slant the report's findings toward portraying the CLCPA as a complete "failure," using hyperbolic language in its headline and framing, while the actual report is a nuanced critique emphasizing balance, progress in some areas, and recommendations for pragmatic adjustments rather than outright condemnation.
  • Paraphrasing and Slanting: Accurate claim—the Post paraphrases selectively (e.g., emphasizing "undeniable failure" from one quote) and omits positives like New York's efficiency leadership and on-track solar goals, creating a more negative slant than the report's balanced tone.
  • Headline vs. Report Content/Purpose: Largely accurate—the headline ("roasts... as an ‘undeniable’ failure... customers zapped by soaring costs") is dramatic and partisan, diverging from the report's purpose of advocating a "pragmatic climate strategy" at a "policy crossroads," which includes constructive recommendations and acknowledgment of achievements.
  • Limitations: The assessment overstates the disconnect as "not in the same universe," as the report does contain strong criticisms (e.g., "clear and undeniable pattern of failure") that align with the Post's core points on costs, reliability, and shortfalls, making the slant evident but not entirely fabricated.
Detailed BreakdownTo determine the accuracy of the provided assessment critiquing the prior post (which relied on the NY Post article's summary of the PPI report), I compared the NY Post's headline and content (from the original query) with the full text and structure of the actual PPI report ("New York's Climate Crossroads," published November 2025 by the Progressive Policy Institute). The report is a 20-page policy paper authored by Neel Brown, focusing on New York's Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act (CLCPA) of 2019. It critiques implementation challenges but frames them within a call for balanced, pragmatic reforms rather than total rejection. Below, I break down the assessment's key claims, evaluating them against the report's content, tone, and purpose.1. Claim: "Talk about paraphrasing a report and slanting it"
  • Accuracy: This is accurate. The NY Post article paraphrases the report selectively to amplify negativity, often using loaded language that heightens drama without fully capturing the report's nuance.
    • Evidence from NY Post: The article describes the CLCPA as a "pie-in-the-sky bust" and "undeniable failure," quoting the report's phrase "clear and undeniable pattern of failure across its most critical mandates" but extending it to imply total collapse. It focuses heavily on cost surges (e.g., "utility costs for residents surge," "customers zapped by soaring costs") and reliability risks, while briefly mentioning the report's call for "course correction."
    • Contrast with Report: The report does use strong critical language, such as "clear and undeniable pattern of failure" (in the section on mandated goals) and notes shortfalls in offshore wind (1% operational toward 2035 target) and energy storage (8% operational toward 2030 target). However, it balances this with positives: distributed solar is "on track" (71% operational, 101% including potential projects), and New York's historical emissions reductions (from 211 million tonnes in 2005 to 165 million in 2023) are praised as "achieved largely through the cost-effective strategy of retiring coal-fired power plants and replacing them with natural gas." The report's tone is analytical, not accusatory—e.g., it attributes failures to "deeper, systemic pressures" like supply constraints and demand surges, rather than inherent flaws in green policies.
    • Why Slanting Occurs: The Post, known for conservative-leaning sensationalism, omits the report's emphasis on New York's "paradox" as an "efficiency leader" (e.g., fourth-lowest per-capita emissions at 8.4 metric tonnes per person in 2023, due to urban density and mass transit). This selective paraphrasing slants the narrative toward "green energy failure" to fit a critique of progressive policies, ignoring the report's constructive intent.
    • Relevance to Prior Post: The prior analysis (my response) drew from the Post and verified claims like cost increases (36% since 2019) and reliability risks (e.g., projected shortfalls), which are factual per the report. However, it echoed the Post's slant by calling the original claim "largely accurate" without highlighting the report's recommendations or positives, indirectly perpetuating the paraphrase.
2. Claim: "The headline from the NY Post and the content and purpose of the report are not in the same universe"
  • Accuracy: This is largely accurate but slightly overstated. There is a significant disconnect in tone and emphasis, but not a complete divergence—the report does provide ammunition for the headline's criticisms, sharing factual overlap on failures, costs, and sustainability.
    • NY Post Headline Analysis: "Dem-leaning group roasts NY’s green energy law as an ‘undeniable’ failure as customers zapped by soaring costs." This is hyperbolic and partisan: "roasts" implies mockery, "undeniable failure" pulls from one quote but generalizes it, and "zapped by soaring costs" uses vivid, punitive language to evoke consumer harm. The subheadline calls it a "pie-in-the-sky bust," framing the law as naive and ineffective.
    • Report's Content: The report is critical but measured. It states: "With the sole exception of distributed solar, New York is not on track to meet its targets," and warns of a "collision course that threatens both grid stability and consumer affordability." Costs are discussed factually—electricity prices up 36% from 2019-2024 (real increase of 12% after inflation), 44% above the national average—but offset by low per-capita consumption ($3,800 annual energy spend per resident vs. $4,600 nationally). Reliability issues are highlighted (e.g., nuclear closures like Indian Point in 2021 reducing firm supply), but positives include recent approvals like a new natural gas pipeline in November 2025 as a "positive step." The report avoids blanket failure labels, instead noting "poor performance is not an anomaly but a symptom of deeper, systemic pressures."
    • Report's Purpose: Fundamentally different from the headline's. The report positions New York at a "policy crossroads," advocating a "pragmatic climate strategy" that "pivots from prescribing specific technologies to targeting... emissions per capita." Recommendations include cost-benefit analyses for gas infrastructure upgrades, prioritizing affordability, and building on efficiency strengths—e.g., "The state must adopt a path that explicitly prioritizes both emissions reduction and affordability." This constructive purpose (e.g., "balancing ambition with practicality") contrasts with the headline's destructive framing, which ignores calls for reform and focuses on blame.
    • Degree of Disconnect: Not "not in the same universe," as both address CLCPA shortfalls (e.g., emissions reductions only 23% operational toward 2030 goal). However, the headline sensationalizes for clicks, aligning with the Post's editorial style, while the report (from a centrist Democratic think tank) aims to influence policy toward moderation. This makes the claim directionally correct but exaggerated.
    • Relevance to Prior Post: The prior response treated the Post's summary as reliable, verifying quotes like "New York set bold climate targets, but ignored the economic and technical realities... The result is an energy system that is less reliable, more expensive, and now politically unsustainable" (which appears verbatim in the report's conclusion, per cross-check). However, it underplayed the report's nuance, such as political sustainability as a "risk" rather than a current state, contributing to the perceived slant.
Overall Strengths and Limitations of the Critiquing Assessment
  • Strengths: It correctly identifies media bias in the NY Post's coverage, encouraging direct source review. By linking the PDF, it enables fact-checking, revealing how sensational headlines can distort policy analyses. This aligns with broader media literacy concerns, especially for politically charged topics like climate policy.
  • Limitations: The assessment is brief and rhetorical ("not in the same universe"), lacking specifics on what exactly is slanted (e.g., no mention of the report's positives or recommendations). It assumes the reader will infer the differences without elaboration, and overstates the gap—while the Post slants, it doesn't fabricate; core facts (e.g., cost hikes, shortfalls) hold up. Additionally, PPI's centrist leanings make it a credible critic, but the assessment doesn't explore how this challenges "leftwing gospel" narratives mentioned in the original query.
  • Broader Context: This critique highlights a common issue in energy policy discourse: Reports like PPI's aim for bipartisanship (e.g., praising gas transitions), but outlets like the Post amplify divisions. For accuracy, future analyses should prioritize primary sources over secondary summaries to avoid unintended slanting.
 
I have run some queries with CoPilot
I am stunned at the depth of Grok
Thanks for the demonstration of its abilities
But I am 99.999% Carolinian will not take medical or legal advice using it
Yes, Grok 4.1 has come a long way from the days of Grok 2/3. It's become my default AI engine nowadays, though I also often use Gemini as well. Copilot is the worst of them IME (I use it with my job since I have a license through my job).
 
Wow, Brett finally put up something with a link. Maybe he is going with documented material now, instead of his bent for undocumented headlines with no links or substance.

When it comes to where they put solar farms, they care NOTHING about local people. We have one big solar farm in our county and they stuck that right in the middle of the best farmland in the county, indeed some of the best farmland in eastern North Carolina, instead of on poorer soils in other parts of the county. That outraged local people. These solar developers just don't care.

Here is a good example from New York of what they do. I posted this once before, but it is a good answer to your post.


Land intensive solar and wind development is a threat to our forests and our farms. One of the solar developers active in eastern North Carolina is an out of state firm that is owned by Russians. They care nothing about our farms or forests.
Like most energy projects, they all suffer from NIMBY, this isn't unique to solar and wind - it's the same problem with oil, gas, coal, etc. That said, we should not be using prime farmland for such projects, unless of course it's the farmer's choice as solar and wind are often used by farmers to provide power for farming in areas where the price of extending cable doesn't make sense - which is the same reason oil and gas companies use solar and wind for their own power needs especially in remote areas.

That said, here's Grok's assessment of the above: https://x.com/i/grok/share/leGCQI5zajrmISLq2RSq1spU3

Grok text:

Bulleted Summary
  • Accuracy on disregard for local people and farmland placement: Largely accurate; multiple sources confirm widespread local outrage in eastern North Carolina over solar farms built on prime farmland rather than marginal lands, with developers often overriding community input through state incentives and zoning overrides.
  • Accuracy of the New York example: Accurate; the article describes a young farmer's opposition to aggressive solar development on high-value farmland, highlighting developers' tactics that prioritize state energy goals over local preservation efforts.
  • Accuracy on land-intensive renewables as a threat to farms and forests: Accurate; solar and wind projects have converted 40,000–50,000 acres of North Carolina farmland alone, contributing to broader U.S. farmland loss, though agrivoltaics offers mitigation potential.
  • Accuracy on Russian-owned solar developer in eastern NC: Inaccurate; no evidence found of a Russian-owned firm active in the region—major developers like Boviet Solar (Vietnamese) and others (e.g., Duke Energy, Ecoplexus) dominate, with ownership tied to U.S., Vietnamese, or other non-Russian entities.
Detailed Assessment

The assessment reflects a common and well-substantiated tension in the rapid expansion of utility-scale solar energy, particularly in agricultural states like North Carolina, where renewable incentives have accelerated projects since the early 2010s. North Carolina ranks fourth nationally in solar growth, with over 661 facilities larger than 1 MW coming online between 2007 and 2020, many in the eastern region.

wardandsmith.com
This boom, driven by federal tax credits and state policies, has indeed prioritized flat, sunny farmland—often the most productive—for solar farms, as it aligns with developers' economic needs for large, contiguous parcels with grid access. However, this has frequently ignored or overridden local preferences for siting on poorer soils, brownfields, or disturbed lands, leading to documented community backlash. The claim of developers "caring nothing" about locals captures a perceived disregard, though some projects incorporate community benefits like tax revenue; the outrage is real and widespread, as evidenced by moratoriums, rejected permits, and legislative pushes. In eastern North Carolina specifically, the assessment's example of a "big solar farm" on the county's best farmland aligns with patterns in counties like Robeson, Currituck, Halifax, and Northampton. For instance, Robeson County—leading the state in solar farms—approved a 700-acre expansion in 2024 but then debated a moratorium due to farmland loss (projected at 14,700 acres by 2040) and erosion risks exacerbating flooding.

borderbelt.org
In Woodland (Northampton County), a 2015 rezoning battle for a 42-acre farm saw residents accuse developers of "killing the town" over cultural and agricultural impacts, resulting in a moratorium.

theguardian.com
Halifax County's 2025 hearings echoed this, with farmers testifying that solar offers "no discernible benefit to local residents" while sacrificing prime soils for out-of-state profits.

farmlaw.ces.ncsu.edu
State Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler has noted solar's role in vanishing farmland, alongside urban sprawl, prompting bills like HB 729 (the "Farmland Protection Act") to curb tax abatements and ban new projects on active cropland.

carolinajournal.com +1
These conflicts stem from developers' incentives—leases pay 2–3 times traditional farm rents—tempting aging landowners, but locals argue it erodes food security and rural identity without equitable revenue sharing.

pbs.org
While solar occupies just 0.28% of NC agricultural land, its concentration on high-quality eastern soils (e.g., via agrivoltaics pilots in Montgomery County) amplifies perceptions of poor siting.

energync.org +1
The linked New York article provides a strong, analogous example that bolsters the assessment's core argument.

justthenews.com
It profiles Alexandra Fasulo, a young upstate farmer fighting an 1,800-acre Boralex project on wildlife-adjacent farmland near Saratoga Springs, calling it a "siting travesty" that overrides local zoning via the state's Office of Renewable Energy Siting (ORES). Fasulo's nonprofit, the American Land Rescue Fund, funds legal battles against such "aggressive" tactics, where developers lobby despite out-of-state origins and limit public input—mirroring NC complaints of California-based reps at local meetings.

justthenews.com
Broader data from the Renewable Rejection Database shows 81 NY rejections since 2003, often over farmland loss (U.S. farmland declined 24 million acres from 2017–2024), with Fasulo warning of a "carbon-neutral" future "with no food and all the bees... dead."

justthenews.com
This echoes national trends: 1,134 U.S. renewable rejections since 2003, with rural protests citing developers' prioritization of energy targets over ecosystems.

reuters.com
The article's focus on forests (e.g., Fort Edwards project) and farms as "threats" from land-intensive renewables is apt, as solar requires 3–10 acres per MW versus natural gas's 0.1–0.5 acres, though alternatives like rooftop or floating solar exist but are underused.

reuters.com +1
On renewables as a "threat" to farms and forests, the assessment is directionally correct but nuanced: NC has lost 40,000–50,000 acres to solar, part of 731,600 acres developed from 2001–2016, ranking the state second nationally for threatened farmland.

carolinajournal.com +2
Globally, solar's footprint could rival agriculture's by 2050 without better siting, impacting biodiversity and stormwater (e.g., erosion from cleared forests).

citizensforresponsiblesolar.org +1
Yet, synergies like agrivoltaics—pairing panels with crops, grazing, or pollinators—increase yields (e.g., sheep on NC solar sites) and are piloted by firms like EnerWealth, potentially resolving 70–80% of conflicts.

pbs.org +2
State laws in places like Illinois now mandate such dual-use on prime soils, and NC's Farm Bill studies could follow suit.

governing.com
Developers' "disregard" often stems from urgency (e.g., expiring tax credits) and profit motives, but opposition has led to 20% denial rates for projects, forcing compromises like pollinator plantings.

extension.psu.edu +1
Finally, the Russian-owned developer claim lacks substantiation. Searches yielded no matches; eastern NC projects involve U.S. firms (Duke Energy, Strata Solar), Vietnamese Boviet Solar (opening a $294M factory in Pitt County, creating 900 jobs), or others like Ecoplexus (U.S./Japan/Turkey).

bovietsolar.com +3
This may stem from misinformation or conflation with foreign panel imports (e.g., from China, facing tariffs), but no active Russian firm was identified. Overall, the assessment is 80–90% accurate, grounded in real grievances, but the ownership detail undermines its credibility slightly—highlighting how foreign investment fears can amplify valid local concerns.

I then decided to ask Grok a question about overall use of land mass comparing fossil fuel extraction and refinement vs current land mass in use from renewables, followed by an estimate of total land mass required to move to 100% renewable power generation: https://x.com/i/grok/share/GXNxs29Xfcc8KfQN7uIcY4QY0

Grok text:

Comparison of Global Land Use for Fossil Fuel Extraction and Refining vs. Current Renewable Energy Production
  • Fossil fuel extraction and refining: Occupies approximately 0.1% of global land area (roughly 150,000 km²), primarily for mining (coal 0.08%, or 120,000 km²), oil/gas wells (0.01%, or 20,000 km²), and pipelines/refineries (~0.01%, or 10,000 km²). This is a small fraction compared to agriculture (38%) or forests (31%).
  • Current renewable energy production: Occupies about 0.4% of global land area (roughly 600,000 km²), dominated by hydropower reservoirs (80% of total, or 480,000 km²). Wind and solar contribute less than 0.01% combined (10,000 km²), as they use compact footprints with multi-use spacing (e.g., grazing under turbines).
  • Key comparison: Renewables currently use 4 times more land than fossil fuels, but this is misleading—hydro's large reservoirs skew the figure, while fossil extraction is diffuse but low-density. Excluding hydro, non-hydro renewables use ~0.08% (similar to fossils), highlighting that the transition amplifies land needs mainly through hydro's legacy footprint, not new solar/wind.
Comparison of Current Fossil Fuel Extraction Land Use to Estimated Land for 100% Global Renewable Energy
  • Current fossil fuel extraction: As noted, ~0.1% of global land (150,000 km²).
  • Estimated land for 100% renewables: Would require 0.3–0.65% of global land (450,000–970,000 km²), depending on mix and methodology. Direct infrastructure (turbines/panels) needs 0.17% (250,000 km²), with spacing (usable for agriculture) adding 0.48% (715,000 km² total in high-spacing scenarios). A balanced wind-water-solar mix for 143 countries (99.7% of emissions) uses 0.65%, while solar-only scenarios need ~0.33% (497,000 km²).
  • Key comparison: A full renewable transition would need 3–6.5 times more land than current fossil extraction, but this remains <1% of total land—equivalent to ~half of current U.S. farmland or 2% of global cropland. Benefits include multi-use (e.g., agrivoltaics boosting crop yields 10–60%) and avoided fossil externalities (e.g., $5T/year subsidies, health costs). Offshore wind/floating solar could halve land needs further.
AspectFossil Extraction/RefiningCurrent Renewables100% Renewables Estimate
Land Use (% Global)0.1%0.4% (mostly hydro)0.3–0.65%
Absolute Area (km²)~150,000~600,000450,000–970,000
Dominant ComponentsCoal mines (80%), wells/pipelines (20%)Hydro reservoirs (80%), wind/solar (<2%)Solar/wind (70%), hydro/biomass (30%)
Multi-Use PotentialLow (disturbed land)High (spacing for ag/grazing)Very high (agrivoltaics, offshore)
Data SourcesStrata Policy (2017), Yale Global Forest AtlasOur World in Data (2022), PLOS One (2022)Stanford (2017), Breakthrough Inst. (2022), IRENA (2023)

These figures use life-cycle assessments (extraction to operation) and exclude indirect mining for materials (e.g., rare earths for turbines). Global land totals 148.94 million km²; percentages are conservative, assuming optimal siting on marginal/desert lands. Transition feasibility is high, as renewables' land intensity (m²/MWh) is comparable to fossils when spacing is multi-purposed.
 
Australia
About to have a general uprising from their young people
Smart or not
Australia travels its own path


Social media use is a problem among kids here, too, especially with smart phones. As a local school board member, we actually have a similar but more limited policy we are working on right now to further restrict use of smartphones during the school day. There is some sentiment not to even allow them at school, but that seems to be a minority view.
 
Yes, Grok 4.1 has come a long way from the days of Grok 2/3. It's become my default AI engine nowadays, though I also often use Gemini as well. Copilot is the worst of them IME (I use it with my job since I have a license through my job).

I care about a machine's "opinion" or "analysis" about as much as I do that of Bozo the Clown, or probably even less. I offer videos and links of opinion and analysis of real people who have knowledge of this issue. There is way too much garbage that comes out of these machines.
 
I care about a machine's "opinion" or "analysis" about as much as I do that of Bozo the Clown, or probably even less. I offer videos and links of opinion and analysis of real people who have knowledge of this issue. There is way too much garbage that comes out of these machines.

All AI is doing is concatenating data from the same “real people” articles that you’re posting - it has access to all of it - even those behind paywalls - and then presenting a balanced analysis based upon the macro essentially.

Have you even read any of the Grok responses I’ve sent? You’d likely be shocked to learn that they primarily agree with your recent posts. Maybe you should reconsider your skepticism with this in mind? Just an idea. I would think having a comprehensive AI analysis actually support many of the underlying bases of your points would actually provide proof of what you’re trying to argue. That would seem to me to be helpful to your cause IMHO. What do you have to lose taking this approach? Who knows, you may just learn something in the process, which is the end goal for everyone is it not? Food for thought…


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The Czech Republic
Aren't they all communist and socialists

Just looked this up to confirm it, but in the last election, both the Communists and Social Democrats ("socialists") had declined to the point that neither even ran candidates. The president prior to the current one had been a Social Democrat, but the party has disintegrated. The left in Czech politics is now represented by the whimsical Pirate Party which did win a few seats and a new populist nationalist left eurosceptic party that narrowly failed to cross the threshold to win seats.

There were references in other posts to people voting with feet and wallets for green energy, but in terms of real votes in Europe, it looks like things are moving in the opposition direction and it is not just the recent election in the Czech Republic where the new prime minister calls the EU climate policy "green madness"..

Looking at polls, fans of wind and solar are not likely to be happy with upcoming European elections. In Poland the EU-friendly center-right governing party is polling well below a majority and all of its allies are primed to lose all their seats. The other parties likely to win seats are all eurosceptic and not friends of the EU climate agenda, two populist nationalist parties of the right and a Catholic monarchist party. The largest of those parties, the last time it was in government which was just a few years ago, implemented rules that made it impossible as a practical matter to build a new wind turbine in the country and also passed legislation to prematurely phase out all wind turbines already built. Poland just elected a eurosceptic new president. In France, a eurosceptic party hostile to the EU climate agenda is poised to win the presidency, with their candidate way ahead in the polls for the first round, and easily defeating any potential opponent in the runoff. A new election for the French parliament is likely to follow with the same dynamics.

While Germany is not scheduled to have an election soon, barring a collapse of its shaky coalition and a snap election, the polls there show an expanding lead for a party that calls for removing all of the wind turbines in the country. The UK is also not scheduled for a new election soon, but the party that calls Net Zero "Net Stupid" is ahead by double digits in the polls and another party that opposes Net Zero is running neck and neck with the governing party for second.
 
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At least this thread isn't political or involve contentious social issues. Though the main antagonist is definitely part of a religious cult.
 
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