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[ALL DEBATE CONTENT REMOVED FROM ORIGINAL THREAD PLACED HERE] All debate topics for the ongoing Wyndham resort closure actions...

Then isn't it strange that at least 15 resorts within the Wyndham family have found that they haven't had enough reserves and cash flow to operate in the near future?
I commented about this in another post about Star Island. I don't think they don't have enough reserves, and even with Star Island it was stated they would only need to have annual increases of 3-4% for reserves to cover the ongoing reserve obligations. That isn't unexpected given annual inflation. At least that is how I interpreted it. So those necessary funding and reserves seemed like just big numbers to throw out there but may not have actually been anything out of the ordinary.
 
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Wyndham has more resorts by far than any of the other timeshare groups. It seems to many owners that the number of resorts being dropped is startling, alarming, etc. However it's not out of line proportionately to the what other timeshare groups have done or are doing too.

To be clear I'm not saying I like what's happening because some of the resorts and sections being dropped are ones we like and stay at. However from a business standpoint I do understand why it's being done. And I agree that there's no benefit to us owners but that Wyndham will definitely be benefiting in several ways. Our timeshares are personal to us but it's all about business for Wyndham. That's just how things work whether we like it or not.

Speaking for myself, and in all likelihood many other, perhaps a huge percentage of Wyndham owners, I bought into Wyndham, vs some of the other timeshare systems because they had so many locations in so many places. A very diverse and eclectic portfolio vs some of the other systems.

And contracting like this, especially under largely fabricated and at best, "half truth" presences just rubs me the complete wrong way and it feels like a bait and switch. I can't imagine what some of the newer retail owners must be thinking right now.

I have visited over half of the resorts which are closing at least once. A couple multiple times. I'm glad I was able to, and sad I won't be able to in the future in some cases.

Fairfield Bay is about the only one I really had no interest in ever visiting, probably could add the Atlantic City resort to that list too, but there may have been a reason I needed to stay in the area and picking a Wyndham instead of a hotel is always preferable.
 
Yes, but the first statement of Wyndham having controlling interest on the HOA BODs contradicts the fact that although the vote at BB didn't occur until 11/19/2025 it was a predetermined fact that the vote would pass thus plans should have been made by Wyndham to contact those who had reservations asap not 2 or more weeks later. As of late, we have always stayed in Crestview.
Nothing is a fact until it actually transpires. Contractually, Wyndham is obligated to keep those reservations in force, until and unless there's a legally permissible reason to cancel or force to be altered those reservations. You cannot "assume" something is going to occur, and take action based upon future assumptions. If for any reason these processes do not transpire as hoped, those impacted would have legal recourse to sue. Therefore, taking the approach that you're endorsing would likely result in a lawsuit in comparison. Again, if Wyndham is receiving expert legal advice from a large third-party law firm on how to handle these matters, does anyone really think they are going to ignore that advice? They do so at their own peril IMHO.
 
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Not trying to nitpick but I know you strive to be as accurate as possible. It's Holiday Inn Club Vacations (HICV), not Hilton Grand Vacation Club (HGVC) that's dropping some of the Silverleaf properties.
Thanks - post corrected. :cool:
HICV and Wyndham aren't the only timeshare groups to drop resorts. I believe HGVC did drop some resorts a couple of years ago. Didn't Bluegreen drop some too? Wyndham has more resorts by far than any of the other timeshare groups. It seems to many owners that the number of resorts being dropped is startling, alarming, etc. However it's not out of line proportionately to the what other timeshare groups have done or are doing too.

To be clear I'm not saying I like what's happening because some of the resorts and sections being dropped are ones we like and stay at. However from a business standpoint I do understand why it's being done. And I agree that there's no benefit to us owners but that Wyndham will definitely be benefiting in several ways. Our timeshares are personal to us but it's all about business for Wyndham. That's just how things work whether we like it or not.
💯 agreement. Most major timeshare companies are modernizing their resort portfolios, and the consensus here on TUG, and probably elsewhere, is that there's a proportionately older owner segment, mostly fixed week owners, that really do not like it, coupled with some owners who prefer more off the beaten path type resorts, that also do not like it (we fall into this latter category for our part personally), coupled with those who live in the northeasterly areas where most of these resorts reside that enjoy driving distance resorts that are closing. For these subsets of owners, it sucks to put it bluntly, but as you said, it is what it is.
 
I'm starting to wonder if you even know what your original point was.

Perhaps instead of "Look it up" you should impose your wisdom upon us.

All trusts have a beneficiary. So a Land Trust like ClubWyndham Access Vacation Ownership Plan would also be considered a "beneficial trust" in the same sense that FairShare trust would be. A land trust just happens to be a specialized trust that holds real estate. The ClubWyndham Access Vacation Ownership Plan trust holds deeded real estate conveyed to it from WVR or other entities. WVR is no longer the deeded owner of the timeshare weeks. This is unlike the FairShare trust, which doesn't hold real estate. The real estate associated with FairShare is held by individual owners and even CWA.
Who do you think the Settlor of the First American Trust/PTVO Trust is?
 
Not trying to nitpick but I know you strive to be as accurate as possible. It's Holiday Inn Club Vacations (HICV), not Hilton Grand Vacation Club (HGVC) that's dropping some of the Silverleaf properties.

In April we stayed for two weeks at the HICV Apple Mountain Resort in Clarkesville, Georgia and it's one of the resorts being dropped by HICV. We had a credit with RCI from our two weeks that were cancelled because of the hurricane that hit the Bradenton Beach, FL area. There was a deadline to use the exchange fee credits, they wouldn't extend it, and I was under the gun to find something we could use.

On the evening we checked in there was one younger woman working. She asked "What brings you here?" but her tone of voice said "What in the world made you want to stay here for two weeks!" We're not golfers but the resort does have a very good golf course. Much like Fairfield Glade, the resort is in a very rural area. We liked our unit in the Presidential Greens section of the resort and we got to explore the Bavarian themed town of Helen, GA, about 30 minutes away.

HICV and Wyndham aren't the only timeshare groups to drop resorts. I believe HGVC did drop some resorts a couple of years ago. Didn't Bluegreen drop some too? Wyndham has more resorts by far than any of the other timeshare groups. It seems to many owners that the number of resorts being dropped is startling, alarming, etc. However it's not out of line proportionately to the what other timeshare groups have done or are doing too.

To be clear I'm not saying I like what's happening because some of the resorts and sections being dropped are ones we like and stay at. However from a business standpoint I do understand why it's being done. And I agree that there's no benefit to us owners but that Wyndham will definitely be benefiting in several ways. Our timeshares are personal to us but it's all about business for Wyndham. That's just how things work whether we like it or not.
Respectfully, disagree. I know that we buyers should have used those two sometimes fatal words " caveat emptor " but when buying a timeshare. I actually thought we did.

Once we bought a cute little monkey but unfortunately when it grew up the monkey turned into a thousand pounds gorilla not meant for living in a small senior citizen's apartment. We thought we did our due diligence. We kicked the tires, ask the salesman the right questions and feel in love with that cute little monkey. The salesman answered all the right questions but unfortunately they were not true. The monkey wasn't a monkey, it was a gorilla. And the gorilla had devious behavioral problems built on a bad set of genes. The gorilla murdered the manager of our apartment complex. Who is responsible for this catastrophe? The buyer, the seller, or both.
 
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Thanks - post corrected. :cool:

💯 agreement. Most major timeshare companies are modernizing their resort portfolios, and the consensus here on TUG, and probably elsewhere, is that there's a proportionately older owner segment, mostly fixed week owners, that really do not like it, coupled with some owners who prefer more off the beaten path type resorts, that also do not like it (we fall into this latter category for our part personally), coupled with those who live in the northeasterly areas where most of these resorts reside that enjoy driving distance resorts that are closing. For these subsets of owners, it sucks to put it bluntly, but as you said, it is what it is.
Good post overall and true, all except for these unanswered questions. We are legacy owners. Wyndham/T&L decided legacy owners and legacy resorts are not viable for their business model so they should be gone with the wind. Many legacy owners are no longer with us but some remain like us. Most legacy resorts are now gone with the wind with no perpetuity and others may soon follow.

So my question is where is the " legal legacy ". when (a legacy is a gift of personal property or money left in a will to a beneficiary called a legatee). While technically separate from real estate, which is called a "devise," (the term "legacy" is often used more broadly to mean any gift from an estate. Legacies can be specific (a particular item), general (a sum of money), or residuary (the remainder of the estate .....definition)?

Did we buy a legacy timeshare? And if so, what is the definition of a legacy timeshare and does it still exist?
 
Who do you think the Settlor of the First American Trust/PTVO Trust is?
Trying to shift I see? What does the settler have anything to do with the legal deeded ownership? I am also not sure why it is so important to you that Wyndham somehow owns these deeds that are actually owned by the trust? Wyndham already controls all the votes for those deeds, that isn’t enough for you?
 
I commented about this in another post about Star Island. I don't think they don't have enough reserves, and even with Star Island it was stated they would only need to have annual increases of 3-4% for reserves to cover the ongoing reserve obligations. That isn't unexpected given annual inflation. At least that is how I interpreted it. So those necessary funding and reserves seemed like just big numbers to throw out there but may not have actually been anything out of the ordinary.

I tend to agree with that opinion.

So here is more info obtained from the Star Island OMNI documents (all documents accessible via https://cases.omniagentsolutions.com/home?clientId=3756)
document 14 https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions...6/92f24838-dd9b-4103-9625-943b6fe7b45f_14.pdf
document 7 https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47566/9ed9c0e9-a7a2-4bff-a43e-935ff805525c_7.pdf
document 62 https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions...0-c2e0-4861-ac33-749324e20d70_62_Redacted.pdf

Seems like they have enough in the Reserves bank account shown later on below to pay the $6.8M 2026 repairs, renovations and capital improvements that is sighted in my previous post https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/a...am-resort-closure-actions.377729/post-3226964

I assume they have already performed the vast majority of the $6.1 million 2025 repairs, renovations and capital improvements shown in that previous post and paid for it (otherwise it would be shown as a liability I think) but don't know.

So in regards to the reserves it looks like they have enough currently to cover reserve things and then increase the reserve funding by the 3 to 4 % they state (basically the inflation rate as pointed out by dioxide45).

I don't think they are behind on normal operations (non reserve) funding but not sure. They do not appear to be indebt as far as I can tell by the documents unless I'm reading them wrong. I'm trying to get a 2025 detailed budget from an owner to analyze. I pay around $1400 for my interval per year (3 bedroom lockout) that is not part of the bankruptcy (bldg 12 in Vacation Break phas 1). So using that as a rough estimate for an interval in the bankruptcy bldgs I get
184 bankruptcy units * 52 intervals /unit * $1400/interval = $13.4M for the year for all those units combined (and that includes reserve funding in my payment), so $1.116M per month which they have in their Operating bank account (actually twice that). Not sure why I see in my previous post they used 332 units instead of 184 for some of the calculations.

So the financial statements shown in the bankruptcy documents don't appear to support bankruptcy. Likewise as dioxide45 pointed out as long as they are getting all
maintenance fees (or close to it) paid to the HOA then that does not support bankruptcy. Likewise the Summary of assets and liabilities doesn't show any financial issues.

The real reason for the bankruptcy , as indicated in many previous posts, is that Wyndham is owner of at least 47% of the units (or intervals) and is paying maintenance fees on probably a decent portion of those without any income to offset that and wants those buildings to be sold to alleviate that. Not sure why they don't just say that in the bankruptcy.

An AI summary does say
"Yes, a company can declare bankruptcy even if it appears profitable or in "good" financial shape on paper
, usually due to severe cash flow problems, massive debt loads, unsustainable liabilities (like lawsuits), or strategic reasons to reorganize under Chapter 11. A company can be profitable (positive net income) but lack the liquidity (cash) to pay immediate bills, leading to a "cash flow bankruptcy," or use bankruptcy (especially Chapter 11) to shed debt and restructure for future viability, even when creditors won't negotiate outside court. "





Snippets from the documents

Case 6:25-bk-07207-GER Doc 14

F. Pre-Petition Resolutions.

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31. At the special meeting on September 25, 2025, with 98% of the voting interests
present at the meeting (in person or by proxy) voting yes and 2% of the voting interests voting no,
members of the Association also authorized the Board to:


suspend occupancy at the resort by members, guests and others as of December 31,
2025 (or shortly thereafter as deemed necessary or proper by the Authorized
Persons) without waiver of the right of the Association to re-commence occupancy
upon notice to members;


suspend collection of 2026 maintenance fees, without waiver of the right of the
Association to later seek payment of such fees and without waiver of member
obligations regarding same, upon notice to members;


waive the funding of reserves in the 2026 budget pursuant to Section 721.13(3)(c)3,
Florida Statutes;


refund to members 2026 maintenance fees received by the Association, if any,
without waiver of the right of the Association to later seek payment of such fees,
upon notice to members, and without waiver of member obligations regarding
same;


immediately suspend reservations (including cancelling any existing reservations
with occupancy dates after December 31, 2025) at the resort after December 31,
2025, without waiver of the right of the Association to later accept reservations at
the resort upon notice to members;


pursuant to Section 721.13(3)(c)2, Florida Statutes, transfer reserve funds of the
Association in the amount of $6,592,825 to pay operating expenses and costs of the
Association as set forth in the attached limited operations budget for 2026 or any
approved budget for the Association; and/or



take any and all action that they deem necessary or proper regarding the operation
and/or management of the Association.
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H. Assets and Liabilities of Association.
35. As of the Petition Date, Debtor carries no secured debt. Debtor funds its operations
through the maintenance fees and assessments from Association Members with various interests
in the Property. As set forth in Debtor’s Petition and statements and schedules, which the Debtor
intends to file in the coming days, the Debtor’s assets primarily consist of (a) $11,561,841.159 in
cash and cash equivalents, and (b) an undetermined value of the Association Interest in the
Property.

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36. Star Island Development Corp. (“Declarant”) maintains and is the owner of the
pedestrian and vehicular ingress and egress through and over all passageways, corridors, lobbies,
restrooms, parking lots, green areas and elevators from the entrance of the Resort and all portions
of the common areas at the Resort (the “Common Areas”). Declarant also owns and maintains the
following amenities: (a) 40’ x 60’ heated swimming pool with 3,000 sq. ft. of deck and a 12 foot
adjacent spa, (b) nine standard size tennis courts, and (c) a 14,000 sq. ft. clubhouse and fitness
center (the “Recreational and Support Facilities”). Declarant also provides to Debtor access to the
following utilities at the Resort: (a) telephone lines, (b) electrical lines, (c) water lines, (d) sewer
lines, and (e) cable TV (collectively the “Utilities” and together with the Common Areas and the
Recreational and Support Facilities, the “Retained Properties”).

37. The Property is subject to that certain Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and
Restriction and Grant of Easements (the “DCCR”) dated July 2, 1999 and recorded by Declarant
on July 21, 1999 with the Clerk of Circuit Court of Osceola County, Florida in CL 99113026 at
OR 1638/2112, as amended. The DCCR gives each member of the Debtor a non-exclusive grant
of easement to use the Retained Properties. In exchange, each member of the Debtor is required to
pay “Club Dues” to the Declarant. The annual Club Dues are determined by multiplying the annual
Club Dues rate by the number of "sold weeks" in the Resort Facility. The Debtor allocates the Club
Dues among those sharing such payments consistent with the fractional ownership and pointsbased
system at the Resort and bills the members of the Debtor with its billings for the assessments
due the Debtor from its members. The rate can be changed at the Declarant’s discretion but cannot
exceed amounts charged to other owners at the project. In addition, the DCCR requires the Debtor
to pay its proportionate share of the cost and expense of such maintenance of the Retained Property
based upon the number of units existing in the Resort Facility in proportion to the number of units
existing in the project at the time Declarant incurs the cost of such maintenance. Debtor pays these
amounts to Submanager.

38. In 2025, the Debtor paid the Submanager the average sum of $672,000.0010 per
month for the use of the Retained Properties.
Debtor is current on its obligations to the Submanager
with respect to its obligations for use of the Retained Properties and anticipates continuing to do
so in the ordinary course of business during the course of the Chapter 11 Case
(edited 12/6/2025 1:26pm CDT: comment by me. This doesn't seem right per month if it is to cover Club fees (I pay $83 for my interval per year), phone and utilities (I pay $37 and $56 per year for my interval for that, and say even landscaping which I pay $10 per year for my interval) = $83 + $37 + $56 + $10 = $186/interval. So 184 units * 52 intervals/unit * $186/interval = $1.78M / year or $148K per month. I mean they the total maintenance fees using my maintenance fee as a base would be 184 units * 52 intervals/units * $1400 per interval = $13.4M per year or $1.16Mper month so they are saying they pay 60% for those things? That doesn't seem right)
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I. First Day Motions.
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57. Debtor maintains a cash management system in the ordinary course of Debtor’s
business. The Cash Management System is an integrated, centralized system that utilizes three
Bank Accounts through three separate Banks, including an Operating Account, a Tax Account,
and a Reserve Account. These accounts serve specific functions within the Cash Management
System, including making payments, collecting annual fees from owners, conservatively investing
funds, and segregating cash required for certain budgeted payment obligations (i.e., in the Reserve
Account and Tax Account). Debtor has specific Investment Guidelines with respect to certain
Bank Accounts that require investments only in certain, specific, safe investments, with the stated
goal of ensuring (a) safety of principal, (b) adequacy of liquidity, and (c) maximization of yields
(in order of importance). Two of the Bank Accounts are with depositories that have signed a
uniform depository agreement with the U. S. Trustee (i.e., Wells Fargo and Comerica14). The
remaining account is the Tax Account with Bank of America; by way of the Tax Motion (discussed
below), the Association will seek Court authorization to utilize approximately all of the funds in
the Tax Account to pay property taxes during the month of November 2025.
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65. In the ordinary course of operating its business, Debtor (a) incurs certain Taxes and
Fees to various Taxing Authorities, and (b) is charged amounts for services related to calculating
and estimating such Taxes and Fees. I understand that Debtor is generally current on its tax
obligations, but that approximately $1,003,593.33 in unpaid Taxes and Fees (which includes real
property taxes that are not past due) are accrued and outstanding as of the Petition Date
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66. Debtor must continue to pay certain of these taxes and fees in order to continue
operating its business and to avoid potential penalties and distractions during the Chapter 11 Case.
Debtor’s failure to pay the Taxes and Fees described in the Tax Motion could adversely affect
Debtor’s business operations, as Taxing Authorities may assert liens on Debtor’s property, assert
penalties or interest on past-due amounts, cancel licenses, and/or subject Debtor’s directors and
officers to personal liability for unpaid amounts. Moreover, Debtor’s failure to pay for certain
services (including the Accountant Services) related to the Taxes and Fees could result in a delay
in paying certain of the Taxes. I believe the relief requested in the Tax Motion is required to avoid
these potential disruptions and distractions.

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Case 6:25-bk-07207-GER Doc 7
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EXHIBIT B
(Schedule of Bank Accounts)
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Document 62

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... and no one else cares. Why do you think it always has to be about you?

Zoom out and get the Big Picture, CLUB-wide, for the benefit of ALL members.

So you believe the majority of owners wants fewer choices?
You belive that the majority of owners wants city type urban resorts, or Bonnet Creek type resorts near amusement parks?
You believe that fewer choices is good for the ownership at large?

Is this what you want personally? Do you believe any of the BS you post or are you just in the business of being argumentative with people?
 
Please explain the details of this third option?

What is wrong with you? Why do you have to fight about everything?

It's money in the near future v. money in the distant future. Someone who expected/hope for his share early in 2026 is likely to be disappointed. You going to fight about that now?
 
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So you believe the majority of owners wants fewer choices?
You belive that the majority of owners wants city type urban resorts, or Bonnet Creek type resorts near amusement parks?
You believe that fewer choices is good for the ownership at large?

Is this what you want personally? Do you believe any of the BS you post or are you just in the business of being argumentative with people?
Yeah, I certainly don’t see how this is ‘for the benefit of ALL members.’ What a load of crap. I would like to hear how this actually benefits the person that posted such a statement.

Some people are losing resorts they love to visit, and others may be losing several resorts within driving distance. How exactly does this benefit them? I don’t see it. We know of one member who owns a lot of interests, and they’re the one who will benefit most. They’re the only reason this is happening at all.
 
Yeah, I certainly don’t see how this is ‘for the benefit of ALL members.’ What a load of crap. I would like to hear how this actually benefits the person that posted such a statement.

Some people are losing resorts they love to visit, and others may be losing several resorts within driving distance. How exactly does this benefit them? I don’t see it. We know of one member who owns a lot of interests, and they’re the one who will benefit most. They’re the only reason this is happening at all.
It has almost no impact on me, certainly not a benefit. I neither own a resort being sold, nor do I own CWA, and I rarely have visited those resorts (Star Island and FFG once each in 15 years of ownership). I'm disappointed that I wasn't able to do my 2026 Universal trip at OIRC, but Bonnet Creek is a fine alternative. I see why Wyndham is doing this, but it's a vast overstatement to say that it's a benefit to all members.
 
It has almost no impact on me, certainly not a benefit. I neither own a resort being sold, nor do I own CWA, and I rarely have visited those resorts (Star Island and FFG once each in 15 years of ownership). I'm disappointed that I wasn't able to do my 2026 Universal trip at OIRC, but Bonnet Creek is a fine alternative. I see why Wyndham is doing this, but it's a vast overstatement to say that it's a benefit to all members.
I don't fault Wyndham either. Some would say I think they are being evil or sinister in their actions. That isn't it at all. But we need to call a spade a spade here. They just need to be upfront and honest about it. They are taking the actions 100% for business reasons and their benefit. I thought there might be some gain with lower or flat maintenance fees on CWA since it was thought that many of the weeks in CWA were lower season and thus had higher fees per point. However, it looks like CWA fees are up 4.1% in 2026 over 2025. Perhaps they would have been up 6% without these actions? If so, they could put that information out there and it might be more palatable. Something tells me they won't do that.

Instead, everything is put out in corporate speak to make people think operations with these resorts were dire and the buildings were getting ready to collapse unless there was some big infusion of cash from the owners. That isn't it at all (at least at some properties) as Greg pointed out in post #612.
 
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The answer to your question will vary due to state and county laws, since the laws for processing deeds are handled differently dependent upon the resort location. It’s not a one size fits all answer. I know this for a fact based upon feedback from Wyndham directly.
I'm curious. Why did you proceeded to dismiss my question and then proceed to ask what was essentially the same question in your very next post?
Was there a deed back or deed transfer contained within the docusign package? Or was the docusign simply the initial acknowledgement of intent to swap, which will result in additional processing and signing required at a future date?
Then all of your subsequent posts on the subject just seem to reinforce my original question. You never asked the poster if they were asked to sign a POA as part of the Docusign.

I also find it rather amusing that so many people are interested in a topic that was deemed to simply be "idle curiosity" for someone with "no skin in the game" just a month ago.
 
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I'm curious. Why did you proceeded to dismiss my question and then proceed to ask what was essentially the same question in your very next post?

Show me where I dismissed your question? I simply stated there’s more than one answer, which is accurate. Again, I’ve spoken directly to Wyndham about some of these topics. Have you?

Then all of your subsequent posts on the subject just seem to reinforce my original question. You never asked the poster if they were asked to sign a POA as part of the Docusign.

I believe I explicitly asked the OP if their Docusign package contained a deedback, specifically because they indicated they did not have to notarize anything. Dependent upon the answer to that question, I would then ask follow-up questions. Hence why I then asked where they were located and where the resort was located, since again, state and county laws may vary.

I also find it rather amusing that so many people are interested in a topic that was deemed to simply be "idle curiosity" for someone with "no skin in the game" just a month ago.

The difference is we don’t ask questions when no one has the answers, because a month ago not a single person had any answers. Why? Because the CWA swap processes had not started yet. None of the swap letters even started to go out until very late October timeframe, and the vast majority of the swap letters didn’t go out until mid-late November timeframe.

We litigated this before and I said, back then, the exact same thing that I just said above, feel free to go back and look at those posts if you like. Your questions were too preliminary at that time IMHO. What we are seeing now proves my point - as not a single person is going to go back and reference any of your past posts with these questions because they are buried in a huge thread. I’ll say the same thing now that I said then, that timing is important, and that asking questions that no one can provide any real answers to isn’t very productive. I also stated that once owners started posting into this thread having indicated that they are now processing the swap letter offers and the subsequent steps, that would be the time to start asking follow-up questions. I also explicitly posted recently that now that we have moved past “phase 1” of the resort HOA proxy votes and closures, that I would shift gears and start to focus on the swap letters and steps required for “phase 2.”

That time has now arrived, and now is right time to ask these questions, because we now have owners posting into this thread that are now navigating the CWA swap process. Logical sequencing. It’s also worth mentioning, since you brought this topic up, that I also questioned why you were posting a bunch of preliminary questions, because it’s not like owners aren’t going to post into this thread when ready, and at that point we could then work toward useful answers not based upon theory or prognostications, but based on real world reports. Fast forward to now, and again I’ve been proven right, because owners are now posting into this thread, all in their own, and not because you asked similar questions a month ago that are forever buried in this thread that no one will read or reply to. Thanks for proving my points, it is most appreciated.


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Your questions were too preliminary at that time IMHO.
I guess if that is your only criticism of me and my question, then IMHO it is more of a you problem.

Fast forward to now, and again I’ve been proven right, because owners are now posting into this thread, all in their own, and not because you asked similar questions a month ago that are forever buried in this thread that no one will read or reply to.
I will also point out that I had to ask the question again, no one came here voluntarily offering the information as you seemed to imply would happen a month ago.
 
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Why? Because the CWA swap processes had not started yet.
I call bunk on this one. My question a month ago was to someone who had been provided the option of taking the swap. So yes, it had already started. You can look at this post as a reference. I find it odd that you and several others nitpick my posts as much as you do.
 
I call bunk on this one. My question a month ago was to someone who had been provided the option of taking the swap. So yes, it had already started. You can look at this post as a reference. I find it odd that you and several others nitpick my posts as much as you do.
Talk about nitpicking. someone had been asked if they were interested in swapping, as had many of us. No "process" had started. If someone asked you if you would be interested in having $1 million dollars would that mean the process has started for you to receive them? That's nitpicking. Until Wyndham began making offers, there was no process. Your double standards and double talk are getting old.
 
Talk about nitpicking. someone had been asked if they were interested in swapping, as had many of us. No "process" had started. If someone asked you if you would be interested in having $1 million dollars would that mean the process has started for you to receive them? That's nitpicking. Until Wyndham began making offers, there was no process. Your double standards and double talk are getting old.
I'm probably making a mistake clicking on the "Show ignored content" link, but it is clear that didn't click on the link in my post. If you had, you would have seen that Wyndham had begun making offers. So before you nitpick, perhaps you know what you are nitpicking.
 
I'm probably making a mistake clicking on the "Show ignored content" link, but it is clear that didn't click on the link in my post. If you had, you would have seen that Wyndham had begun making offers. So before you nitpick, perhaps you know what you are nitpicking.
That post talks about someone expressing that they did NOT want to swap, so no swap offer would be forthcoming. Still no offer from Wyndham just questions about preference. Maybe you should click on the linked post.
 
That post talks about someone expressing that they did NOT want to swap, so no swap offer would be forthcoming. Still no offer from Wyndham just questions about preference. Maybe you should click on the linked post.
Yup, it was a mistake to click that. My question was general in nature. Given the person has actually spoke to a human at Wyndham and had a chance to talk to them, I was wondering if they perhaps had more information about it. It was you and others that got into the petty bickering about a simple question. You are nitpicking. The same as you do with parsing my words as to if I am accusing of Wyndham being evil.

Perhaps I also need to check with the moderator to make sure my questions are timed correctly before I ask them. I don't want to upset someone by asking something too soon.

Why do you turn everything into an argument? it is like you are trying to actively push people away from asking questions and not even bother posting here. So much for a "community" or owners. This is my last post on the subject because this really should be over in the debate thread. I notice that unless I move an ongoing conversation there no one else does even though they know it should be there.

I will also instill more self control next time to not click that link and reply to people who don't seem to be interested in constructive conversation.
 
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