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Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

Just playing devils advocate, but there's several resorts which have no sales center, minimal staff, and in some cases no Wyndham provided amenities. IE: they contract with an external entitty to provide access to things like pool, workout room, etc.

Examples of resorts with this setup:
- Sapphire Valley
- Lake Lure
- Star Island
- New Bern
- Villa Rca (I think, not positive)

At these resorts, they have a shared check-in building with other timeshare entities with very limited hours, contracted housekeeping and maintenance. In some cases the resort doesn't even have a general manager. The Lake Lure GM handles that resort and Sapphire Valley for instance. There's a "late check in box" with a code if you have to check in after like 7pm.

So it coud be done, I guess the question is, is the juice worth the squeeze.

Given Wyndham is obviously exiting many older resorts in more rural less popular areas prone to certain seasonal usages, I’d say the answer is no.


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@HitchHiker71

Can you possibly ask Wyndham, at your regular meetings, how many Star Island unit owners are in Wyndham points/the Wyndham system that are not part of the bankruptcy, to gauge what % this is of the overall number of units at Star Island.

I can ask, however given the VB buildings are out of scope, they likely will not have this data readily available. Will keep you posted.


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I guess the legitimate question some of us have is rollyman and comicbookguy seem to be waving the pro-Wydham banner at all costs.

Why?

You seem to have a vested interest in doing so, no matter what. It's bizarre the extent you are both doing so.

At the end of the day, unless you are one of the minority of owners that is glad they got the golden ticket to exit scot free (and good for those people), the rest of us left, even if we don't own at these resorts, are negatively impacted. If no other way, just by having fewer potential places to spend vacations. Like I said, I have stayed at over half of the impacted resorts at least once. Including 3 properties in the past calendar year. There's no denying this. So the fact that you two wave the Wyndham banner so fervently just makes no sense.
I believe that that if you have an association with Wyndham of any type whatsoever you should have enough courage to say so. Full disclosure is virtue and I would certainly say that I have a conflict if one existed.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once," from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
 
Given Wyndham is obviously exiting many older resorts in more rural less popular areas prone to certain seasonal usages, I’d say the answer is no.
Shawnee isn't really rural but probably very seasonal. I think ski season ownership has probably dropped off since the "resort" split from the ski area... the inoperative fireplaces in many units (and the fake fireplaces in some) may reflect this.

I have learned so much from reading these boards and digging through my old timeshare records. But there's one thing I'm not quite clear on: when we talk about a Homeowners Association, does that mean only fixed week owners? I don't know how the various Wyndham programs work.

PS as an update to the chart in post #1, the Special Meeting for River Village Phase IIIB Owners Association is at 2:00 PM on October 10th. The table has the date but not the time.
 
still not getting it. "months" when the contract is realigned, not "years"
I vote for the points are missing forever (not months or years).

If they realign you, there is a gap in usage (3, 6, or 9 months). Yet someone, either the buyer or the seller, is paying maintenance fees for that time period. And now you have a contract whose use year has been realigned (pushed out). Sell it again, what happens? New user gets the new use year (I suppose that supports the missing for years argument, but now they are missing forever).

If it were 'fair' to realign without giving an owner prorated points for that time period, why did Wyndham do that for some (most but not all) owners during the great realignment exercise 10 years ago?
 
I vote for the points are missing forever (not months or years).

If they realign you, there is a gap in usage (3, 6, or 9 months). Yet someone, either the buyer or the seller, is paying maintenance fees for that time period. And now you have a contract whose use year has been realigned (pushed out). Sell it again, what happens? New user gets the new use year (I suppose that supports the missing for years argument, but now they are missing forever).

If it were 'fair' to realign without giving an owner prorated points for that time period, why did Wyndham do that for some (most but not all) owners during the great realignment exercise 10 years ago?
That's a good point. When realignment happens, someone is paying 15, 18, or 21 months of maintenance fees for the same amount of points. That doesn't simply go away or not happen just because the expiration date changes. That money is lost. Even if it is said that the money goes to the HOA, for Wyndham managed properties they are earning a management fee. You can also look at the Club Fee. That is also billed monthly and a portion of that goes to Wyndham as revenue.

Something is being stolen. We can say it's points or cash, but we can't ignore it and somehow think Wyndham is not part of it.
 
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I just got a call from Wyndham canceling my February 13 to 17 Skyline Tower reservation. I was shocked to receive a call rather than an email. The rep was nice and understanding that this is upsetting.
 
So I just joined the Wyndham Timeshare Owners Facebook group. Even though I am not a Wyndham owner they let me join as I explained I wanted to find out more on the Star Island Wyndham HOA bankruptcy.
One of the posts I came across was interesting:

Deborah Anderson responding to Jaclyn Lazarus:
at the end of the meeting at 11:00 am 99% of voting was in favor of bankruptcy. However we were told the majority held 53% and were in favor of this. Voting continued until noon online.
They did say the vacation club that owns the majority of the buildings at Star Island wanted to purchase the four buildings owned by the owners.
Owners would be contacted within a few weeks with offer being presented for moving to CWA or taking the funds after sale.
Many questions by owners concerned about their reservations. If this does proceed no reservations after December 31 2025.

Edited: I'm also trying to see if someone on the facebook group can post a photo of the voting documents and communication from the HOA
 
So I just joined the Wyndham Timeshare Owners Facebook group. Even though I am not a Wyndham owner they let me join as I explained I wanted to find out more on the Star Island Wyndham HOA bankruptcy.
One of the posts I came across was interesting:

Deborah Anderson responding to Jaclyn Lazarus:
at the end of the meeting at 11:00 am 99% of voting was in favor of bankruptcy. However we were told the majority held 53% and were in favor of this. Voting continued until noon online.
They did say the vacation club that owns the majority of the buildings at Star Island wanted to purchase the four buildings owned by the owners.
Owners would be contacted within a few weeks with offer being presented for moving to CWA or taking the funds after sale.
Many questions by owners concerned about their reservations. If this does proceed no reservations after December 31 2025.

Edited: I'm also trying to see if someone on the facebook group can post a photo of the voting documents and communication from the HOA
Interesting information. This makes Star Island even more of an outlier.
 
So I just joined the Wyndham Timeshare Owners Facebook group. Even though I am not a Wyndham owner they let me join as I explained I wanted to find out more on the Star Island Wyndham HOA bankruptcy.
One of the posts I came across was interesting:

Deborah Anderson responding to Jaclyn Lazarus:
at the end of the meeting at 11:00 am 99% of voting was in favor of bankruptcy. However we were told the majority held 53% and were in favor of this. Voting continued until noon online.
They did say the vacation club that owns the majority of the buildings at Star Island wanted to purchase the four buildings owned by the owners.
Owners would be contacted within a few weeks with offer being presented for moving to CWA or taking the funds after sale.
Many questions by owners concerned about their reservations. If this does proceed no reservations after December 31 2025.

Edited: I'm also trying to see if someone on the facebook group can post a photo of the voting documents and communication from the HOA
The big question is, how many of the intervals not owned by Wyndham actually voted. Given the relatively short notice, and overall lack of owner engagement at most timeshares, I suspect it was low. Of course, had the other unengaged owners voted, they likely would have voted for bankruptcy too.

Is the company that is interested in buying the one that is operating the other timeshares at Star Island? Do they plan to resell the units as timeshare? If they would be buying it out of the bankruptcy, it would seem they would get the property either free and clear. If they were interested, why didn't Wyndham just sell them the inventory they own along with the management rights? This certainly wouldn't be good for the 47% of owners who may have wanted out and didn't want to be saddled with an interval at Star Island that doesn't have any Club Wyndham affiliation. Though, it seems that would have been the easiest path to take.

With a free and clear sale, they would also have the option to convert units to whole ownership or even apartments. Though I am not sure that is as lucrative as timeshare sales and not sure such a property plays well into something like that.
 
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I just got a call from Wyndham canceling my February 13 to 17 Skyline Tower reservation. I was shocked to receive a call rather than an email. The rep was nice and understanding that this is upsetting.

This fact has been documented in this thread previously that a special team has been set up to proactively reach out to impacted owners that have 2026 reservations at the impacted resorts once the appropriate HOA votes have transpired. If this isn’t already in the FAQ I will add it today.


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Does anyone have any ideas how many Fairfield owners will be effective?
 
Does anyone have any ideas how many Fairfield owners will be effective?

We do not know the total number of intervals impacted, and we don’t know the detailed breakdown of the subset of Wyndham owned vs owner owned intervals either. If by Fairfield you mean legacy Fairfield weeks based owners, we do not have that breakdown either. Why are you asking?


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But, when seeing your comment above, I felt it necessary to make it clear that I have no conflict of interest. I am a Wyndham owner just like most on this forum.
This member ended up on my ignore list a while back when they stridently accused me and other participants in that thread of being employed or having some relationship with Wyndham beyond simply ownership. Always glad to some reinforcement that that continues to be the right choice. ;)
 
Yes. Used the formula wrong I posted. 33% increase still a lot.

Either way I give up you guys are right I don’t care anymore.
Understood.

OFFICIAL MODERATOR POST

Now, for the second time, I will make the time and effort to move several pages of legal centric posts into the separate legal thread. Please note this is the final warning on this thread - after two other warnings - the last of which is provided for direct reference - provided literally just a few days ago: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/w...s-unfolding-set-of-events.375888/post-3211452

THIS IS THE FINAL WARNING: Further warnings will no longer be provided. This warning has also now been posted directly into the IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS section of the 1st post for direct reference for clarity's sake. New forum members will be given fair leeway; existing members will be subject to further actions up to and including temporary or permanent bans from TUG as at the sole discretion of the moderators due to repeated violations of stated moderator rules and/or forum rules.

EDIT: Actually I moved this warning right up closer to the top of the 1st post for more visibility and easier consumption.
 
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We do not know the total number of intervals impacted, and we don’t know the detailed breakdown of the subset of Wyndham owned vs owner owned intervals either. If by Fairfield you mean legacy Fairfield weeks based owners, we do not have that breakdown either. Why are you asking?


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We purchased a Fairfield Sandcastle Villa in New Bern, NC in the 1980’s or 1990’s and sold it approximately two years later to a military service person.

New Bern was a place for total R&R; plus they have the Neuse River.
 
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Understood.

OFFICIAL MODERATOR POST

Now, for the second time, I will make the time and effort to move several pages of legal centric posts into the separate legal thread. Please note this is the final warning on this thread - after two other warnings - the last of which is provided for direct reference - provided literally just a few days ago: https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/w...s-unfolding-set-of-events.375888/post-3211452

THIS IS THE FINAL WARNING: Further warnings will no longer be provided. This warning has also now been posted directly into the IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS section of the 1st post for direct reference for clarity's sake. New forum members will be given fair leeway; existing members will be subject to further actions up to and including temporary or permanent bans from TUG as at the sole discretion of the moderators due to repeated violations of stated moderator rules and/or forum rules.
Will do. Sorry, I did not realize that meant all legal discussions. I thought it only applied to legal discussions about the process itself.
 
Same here. Sorry for causing you more work.

It just seems important to point out misstatements, or worse, as soon as they appear so they don’t gain traction without being rebutted. I realize this is social media and anyone can post anything they want while remaining anonymous and never having to be accountable for it. We’ve had at least two individuals on this thread continuously make numerous false claims, admit they were false, but continue to make them and encourage lawsuits based on them.

Thank you for everything you do, @HitchHiker71. Hopefully, this is the last time you’ll have to step in. At least, on this thread. ;)
 
Will do. Sorry, I did not realize that meant all legal discussions. I thought it only applied to legal discussions about the process itself.
Yes, while it's entertaining, and in a weird way serves it's own purposes, any legal debate of any kind - use the other thread - no limits over there - but this thread is already unwieldy, and we're trying to minimize the banter in this thread that goes down various rabbit holes unless it's directly related to the ongoing actions for the impacted resorts. Let's try to keep this thread solely about factual information, observations, and data about the ongoing actions, along with being a forum for questions for impacted owners.
 
Same here. Sorry for causing you more work.

It just seems important to point out misstatements, or worse, as soon as they appear so they don’t gain traction without being rebutted. I realize this is social media and anyone can post anything they want while remaining anonymous and never having to be accountable for it. We’ve had at least two individuals on this thread continuously make numerous false claims, admit they were false, but continue to make them and encourage lawsuits based on them.

Thank you for everything you do, @HitchHiker71. Hopefully, this is the last time you’ll have to step in. At least, on this thread. ;)
Although only one continued to made up stories and resorted to truly personal attacks. Of course he wasn't even an actual Tug member.

Back to the topic at hand, the bankruptcy votes seem to be progressing smoothly. If the other meetings were like the one I attended, the information was presented well, and questions were answered politely and without anyone getting defensive or dismissive. We are beginning to get reports of personal calls about cancelled reservations and inventory is getting properly blocked off. I just hope the next step, refunding of 2026 maint. fees goes as smoothly.
 
Same here. Sorry for causing you more work.

It just seems important to point out misstatements, or worse, as soon as they appear so they don’t gain traction without being rebutted. I realize this is social media and anyone can post anything they want while remaining anonymous and never having to be accountable for it. We’ve had at least two individuals on this thread continuously make numerous false claims, admit they were false, but continue to make them and encourage lawsuits based on them.

Thank you for everything you do, @HitchHiker71. Hopefully, this is the last time you’ll have to step in. At least, on this thread. ;)
Do all of this to your heart's content in the other thread - that is why we created it and moved the vast majority of debate type posts into that new thread. :cool:
 
Do all of this to your heart's content in the other thread - that is why we created it and moved the vast majority of debate type posts into that new thread. :cool:
Question, can we request that the types of legal misstatements that should not be here, be moved to the other thread when they are first posted so we can begin the discussion there instead of it expanding here and then a bunch of posts need to be moved or people need to be sanctioned?
 
Back to the topic at hand, the bankruptcy votes seem to be progressing smoothly. If the other meetings were like the one I attended, the information was presented well, and questions were answered politely and without anyone getting defensive or dismissive. We are beginning to get reports of personal calls about cancelled reservations and inventory is getting properly blocked off. I just hope the next step, refunding of 2026 maint. fees goes as smoothly.
During my conversations on the Wyndham call on Friday, one of the Wyndham reps on the call is attending most of these meetings, name not to be shared of course. She also indicated that most of the meetings are similar in format and most have gone as expected, and she even explicitly mentioned that some of the owners who initially voted no, changed their votes to yes after asking questions and better understanding the reasons for the proposals in detail. So far so good basically. The vote tallies clearly show how well this process is going to date really.

The 2026 MF refund process likely won't occur until the bankruptcy filings are beyond a certain threshold - or into 2026 from what I understand. I think this has to do with the financials as it relates to the HOAs spinning down resort operations - but I neglected to ask why on the last call.
 
Question, can we request that the types of legal misstatements that should not be here, be moved to the other thread when they are first posted so we can begin the discussion there instead of it expanding here and then a bunch of posts need to be moved or people need to be sanctioned?
If you feel that a particular post or subthread of posts needs to be moved - feel free to DM me with such requests and I will evaluate the requests on their merits. I may not get to it right away dependent upon where I am at any one moment in time - but I will get to it. :cool:
 
During my conversations on the Wyndham call on Friday, one of the Wyndham reps on the call is attending most of these meetings, name not to be shared of course. She also indicated that most of the meetings are similar in format and most have gone as expected, and she even explicitly mentioned that some of the owners who initially voted no, changed their votes to yes after asking questions and better understanding the reasons for the proposals in detail. So far so good basically. The vote tallies clearly show how well this process is going to date really.

The 2026 MF refund process likely won't occur until the bankruptcy filings are beyond a certain threshold - or into 2026 from what I understand. I think this has to do with the financials as it relates to the HOAs spinning down resort operations - but I neglected to ask why on the last call.
Interesting. I would have thought that the refunds would occur before the bankruptcy filings since they were directly authorized by a membership vote. Expenses for 2026 are being covered out of reserves, again by a membership vote, so that is not an ongoing issue.

The young lady from Wyndham who was a t the meeting I zoom attended was very friendly, informative and articulate with her answers. Please pass on my compliments.

Edit to add: Clearly she was not from sales.:D
 
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