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Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

We won't hear anything from Wyndham until the HOA BOD votes are complete at the very least, and likely not until the larger HOA member votes have transpired and the path forward has been determined. Until then, what would everyone like to hear beyond what Wyndham has already communicated? Be specific. Wyndham has already communicated what they have direct control over, which is that Wyndham itself plans to remove these resorts from Club Wyndham effective 12/31/2025, and that the resort disposition processes are in progress via the legally required steps that take place, and can only take place, at the resort HOA level. Seriously, what would you all like to have Wyndham explicitly tell you, given the fact that until the HOA BODs determine the path forward, and then hold actual member votes, nothing is written in stone. I get the frustration, I really do, but at the same time, until the actual HOA votes transpire, I'm not sure what else can legally be communicated?
I think at this point it's venting based on the lateness in the year (me included), more than an expectation that something can be done. Though I still contend that Wyndham has blocked booking at various resorts for less than this (renovations or glitches? that have never been explained) and it obviously didn't face legal consequences for it, so I'm not sure exactly what's stopping them this time. It's certainly decided that the headache of canceling thousands of reservations with a few months' notice is less of an issue than whatever it thinks is stopping it from blocking those calendars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OIRC should be a benchmark of how long it takes Wyndham to communicate once the HOA has really set things in motion with its second meeting this week - I would expect this week's meeting would make things "official" enough to communicate more widely and block bookings, right? But looking at OIRC's HOA that will have met twice - in early August and early September, and so for that resort these more public communications will be taking place (at best) about 3.5 months before the end of the year. And I don't think any of the other HOAs have met yet, and most of them don't even have meeting notices sent out yet, correct? So when is the ownership at large - the majority of whom probably aren't even aware of most of this - going to learn that resorts they may have reserved in 2026 are actually closing? November? Is it possible to do the HOA actions in one meeting instead of two to speed it up? The whole timeframe is pretty wild. If they'd started this all in April instead of July it would have seemed aggressive, but this timeframe just solidifies my preexisting opinion that communicating things clearly to owners is near the bottom of Wyndham's priority list. Vent over.
 
We won't hear anything from Wyndham until the HOA BOD votes are complete at the very least, and likely not until the larger HOA member votes have transpired and the path forward has been determined. Until then, what would everyone like to hear beyond what Wyndham has already communicated? Be specific. Wyndham has already communicated what they have direct control over, which is that Wyndham itself plans to remove these resorts from Club Wyndham effective 12/31/2025, and that the resort disposition processes are in progress via the legally required steps that take place, and can only take place, at the resort HOA level. Seriously, what would you all like to have Wyndham explicitly tell you, given the fact that until the HOA BODs determine the path forward, and then hold actual member votes, nothing is written in stone. I get the frustration, I really do, but at the same time, until the actual HOA votes transpire, I'm not sure what else can legally be communicated?
If Wyndham plans to (and as far as we can tell, has always been able to unilaterally do so) remove from Club Wyndham, at the very least I don't see why they haven't already done so in the web page and apps to block bookings at all the resorts post 12/31/25 and cancel plus refund any points bookings that are from points not directly owned at the resort, i.e. anything using the internal exchange that Wyndham is removing them from. And then communicate THAT to everyone affected, if not everyone on their website.

Unless there's some yet unclear legal reason the HOA BOD votes could make Wyndham keep them in the Club Wyndham program, which as far as this thread has shown there isn't.

At least then people not on this thread would know / have known that their January-maybe September 2026 reservations are null and void. I mean, even if the HOA votes to keep going as a TS, it wouldn't be a Club Wyndham member, so they presumably wouldn't honor Club Wyndham reservations... And it'd be up to the owners and the HOA to determine how to do reservations in the future. Not that we think any of these are likely to continue as independent or run by a different management company now.

I'm not sure if it's official or not in communications, but from all that I understand from this thread - nothing could happen in the votes that would change Wyndham's 2 basic offers / options to affected owners - Stay with the resort "as an independent" with disposition of that ownership to remain open to the HOA vote while losing 2026 and future CWS points, or convert to CWA and turn ownership over to Wyndham as part of that swap. If in fact Wyndham has any concerns about HOA votes going their way, it seems to me like doing another batch of gathering deeds helps them, and leaving the only other owners as people who presumably want to also close the resorts and get out of the MFs and or Club Wyndham so would also vote the way Wyndham wants. I can't see why Wyndham needs to wait for a HOA vote to offer the trade - from my understanding Wyndham could offer any trade to CWA for anyone at any resort any time they wanted to, and heck assuming they have the points in the trust could also just give them out if they wanted - it's just usually they are trying to get a bunch of money for doing so. But the legal docs no where list a minimum per point price - resales of CWA are usually free after all.
 
I agree, every day Wyndham allows these resorts they KNOW are closing 12/31 to be bookable, it will create more ill will, more strife, more COSTS to owners and more work for THEIR staff to unwind the mess. I've been saying this for 60 days now that they should block these resorts off from being booked. Nobody has given me a compelling reason why they can't.

Even a "oops something happened..." error would be better than just leaving them wide open.

It's going to be November and December and owners have made holiday travel plans including flights and other arrangements and will be likely unable to make alternate plans at such short notice.

Calling for patience is not helpful.
 
Do you really think Wyndumb cares about the average owner. They are only getting MF's out of you. While many buyers might make their original purchase from Wyndumb many people wise up and make future purchases from resell. Wyndumb makes it's money from Developer Purchases not MF.
 
Do you really think Wyndumb cares about the average owner. They are only getting MF's out of you. While many buyers might make their original purchase from Wyndumb many people wise up and make future purchases from resell. Wyndumb makes it's money from Developer Purchases not MF.

They are also creating a ton of work for themselves, IE: increase in billable hours for their contracted staff, which will have an affect on their financials, to some degree. May not move the needle much, but it will impact them too every day it goes on longer
 
I think at this point it's venting based on the lateness in the year (me included), more than an expectation that something can be done. Though I still contend that Wyndham has blocked booking at various resorts for less than this (renovations or glitches? that have never been explained) and it obviously didn't face legal consequences for it, so I'm not sure exactly what's stopping them this time. It's certainly decided that the headache of canceling thousands of reservations with a few months' notice is less of an issue than whatever it thinks is stopping it from blocking those calendars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I do agree that they should block off inventory beyond 12/31/2025 for the impacted resorts, I thought Wyndham should have done this after the initial announcement. Canceling the existing reservations likely cannot occur until the HOA votes officially occur though. Basically, at a high level, there's a legal issue of some kind that I haven't received specifics on that is preventing the cancelations from occuring until the official HOA member votes have transpired. That said, I could be mistaken in my current understanding.
OIRC should be a benchmark of how long it takes Wyndham to communicate once the HOA has really set things in motion with its second meeting this week - I would expect this week's meeting would make things "official" enough to communicate more widely and block bookings, right? But looking at OIRC's HOA that will have met twice - in early August and early September, and so for that resort these more public communications will be taking place (at best) about 3.5 months before the end of the year. And I don't think any of the other HOAs have met yet, and most of them don't even have meeting notices sent out yet, correct? So when is the ownership at large - the majority of whom probably aren't even aware of most of this - going to learn that resorts they may have reserved in 2026 are actually closing? November? Is it possible to do the HOA actions in one meeting instead of two to speed it up? The whole timeframe is pretty wild. If they'd started this all in April instead of July it would have seemed aggressive, but this timeframe just solidifies my preexisting opinion that communicating things clearly to owners is near the bottom of Wyndham's priority list. Vent over.
The problem here, at least in part, is that there's a difference between the HOA BOD having meetings and votes, and any communications to the impacted owners at those resorts. There have been several HOA BOD meetings since this all started, at almost all impacted resorts, in my general understanding, however there now has to be final HOA BOD meetings and votes to determine the path forward, and then draft the member communications and voting materials, and IIRC this is something that the law firm being retained is actually doing on behalf of the HOA BODs since what is transpiring is really outside of the realm of what any of the HOA BODs can handle. I don't have specifics on the number of HOA BOD meetings required to facilitate all of this to be clear. It's also entirely feasible that the 12/31/2025 date may not be set in stone. I think all of this is not written in stone for my part, and beyond high level goals, is subject to change. IMHO that is why there have been limited comms to date.
 
If Wyndham plans to (and as far as we can tell, has always been able to unilaterally do so) remove from Club Wyndham, at the very least I don't see why they haven't already done so in the web page and apps to block bookings at all the resorts post 12/31/25 and cancel plus refund any points bookings that are from points not directly owned at the resort, i.e. anything using the internal exchange that Wyndham is removing them from. And then communicate THAT to everyone affected, if not everyone on their website.

Unless there's some yet unclear legal reason the HOA BOD votes could make Wyndham keep them in the Club Wyndham program, which as far as this thread has shown there isn't.

At least then people not on this thread would know / have known that their January-maybe September 2026 reservations are null and void. I mean, even if the HOA votes to keep going as a TS, it wouldn't be a Club Wyndham member, so they presumably wouldn't honor Club Wyndham reservations... And it'd be up to the owners and the HOA to determine how to do reservations in the future. Not that we think any of these are likely to continue as independent or run by a different management company now.
Apparently there is some kind of legal limitation in play, though I'm not privy to the specifics as yet. I have another meeting scheduled with Wyndham for later this week, so I'll try to ascertain more detail and if I'm permitted to do so I will share my findings. Wyndham did publish the website link for any/all to see, however to the best of my knowledge they did not send out an email to the membership base that would have ensured that the information surrounding these actions would have gone out to a much wider audience. I'm not sure why this wasn't done, though I could understand that with the lack of information available at this point in time, doing so may not have been prudent given Wyndham likely would have had a ton of impacted owners or other owners calling and making inquiries that Wyndham could not yet address. Just a guess on my part to be clear.
I'm not sure if it's official or not in communications, but from all that I understand from this thread - nothing could happen in the votes that would change Wyndham's 2 basic offers / options to affected owners - Stay with the resort "as an independent" with disposition of that ownership to remain open to the HOA vote while losing 2026 and future CWS points, or convert to CWA and turn ownership over to Wyndham as part of that swap. If in fact Wyndham has any concerns about HOA votes going their way, it seems to me like doing another batch of gathering deeds helps them, and leaving the only other owners as people who presumably want to also close the resorts and get out of the MFs and or Club Wyndham so would also vote the way Wyndham wants. I can't see why Wyndham needs to wait for a HOA vote to offer the trade - from my understanding Wyndham could offer any trade to CWA for anyone at any resort any time they wanted to, and heck assuming they have the points in the trust could also just give them out if they wanted - it's just usually they are trying to get a bunch of money for doing so. But the legal docs no where list a minimum per point price - resales of CWA are usually free after all.
I don't think it's that simple. This isn't a normal swap or contract trade. It's different for these actions. If it were as simple as you want it to be, then I think Wyndham would have already moved forward, and the fact is that Wyndham hasn't because they cannot do so until the HOA member votes have definitively determined paths forward. I'll try to get more details on the why later this week.
 
I don't think it's that simple. This isn't a normal swap or contract trade. It's different for these actions. If it were as simple as you want it to be, then I think Wyndham would have already moved forward, and the fact is that Wyndham hasn't because they cannot do so until the HOA member votes have definitively determined paths forward. I'll try to get more details on the why later this week.
I am just a layperson for legal stuff, but I don't think Wyndham can have it both ways - i.e. it's both "business as usual till the HOA votes to change something" and yet they cannot do a standard deedback / contract swap. If what you're saying is true, that nothing has happened till the HOA votes, then I cannot figure out what would have allowed a deed to be transferred before this thread started that would stop it from being transferred now.

Legally I mean. I can understand Wyndham wanting to batch a bunch of stuff together to maybe save money, but that's not a legal requirement, that's Wyndham not being good at executing strategy. I.e. plenty reasonable to blame Wyndham here. Unless you're claiming that a pending HOA vote - that in many cases we only assume is pending because it's not announced yet - would prevent a person to person transfer of a deed here. Which while the receiver would need to be a "special person" to want to do so, I just mean legally it's a deed. Wyndhams unannounced and perhaps half baked strategy around it doesn't matter.

I know Wyndham is trying to do a complicated process here, but each step seems pretty simple, and I don't think there would have been a reason outside of them really setting a very aggressive date and not being at all ready in time to actually do the thing. I.e. maybe they don't have a website or any process for the mass trade in's ready to go. Well, that's on them, should have waited to set a date till they were ready.
 
We won't hear anything from Wyndham until the HOA BOD votes are complete at the very least, and likely not until the larger HOA member votes have transpired and the . Seriously, what would you all like to have Wyndham explicitly tell you, given the fact that until the HOA BODs determine the path forward, and then hold actual member votes, nothing is written in stone. I get the frustration, I really do, but at the same time, until the actual HOA votes transpire, I'm not sure what else can legally be communicated?

It would be nice if Wyndham would tell us why it appears that there such incompetence managing this project.

What frustrates me is it seems that there was no planning.

It's likely that the accumulation of deeds was both to sell members into points with equity swaps and accepting deed backs as part of managing the resorts. The reasons given to dispose of so many resorts all at once is questionable.en

I have managed projects in my prior life and it seems to me the proper procedure would have be to take a vote to close the resort before firing employees. A valid argument should be made for closing the resort. Prior to taking the vote there should be a determination as to the procedure to handle the legal process for obtaining all of the deeds in that resort's state in regards to the hoa contract. A means of disposal should also be considered. Florida is timeshare heaven so apparently bankruptcy is an option. This might not be true in all states. The vote should be taken with the date of termination which should be at least 10 months into the future. After a successful vote the members and employees would be notified. New reservations would be blocked and canceled if necessary.
 
I am just a layperson for legal stuff, but I don't think Wyndham can have it both ways - i.e. it's both "business as usual till the HOA votes to change something" and yet they cannot do a standard deedback / contract swap. If what you're saying is true, that nothing has happened till the HOA votes, then I cannot figure out what would have allowed a deed to be transferred before this thread started that would stop it from being transferred now.

Legally I mean. I can understand Wyndham wanting to batch a bunch of stuff together to maybe save money, but that's not a legal requirement, that's Wyndham not being good at executing strategy. I.e. plenty reasonable to blame Wyndham here. Unless you're claiming that a pending HOA vote - that in many cases we only assume is pending because it's not announced yet - would prevent a person to person transfer of a deed here. Which while the receiver would need to be a "special person" to want to do so, I just mean legally it's a deed. Wyndhams unannounced and perhaps half baked strategy around it doesn't matter.

I know Wyndham is trying to do a complicated process here, but each step seems pretty simple, and I don't think there would have been a reason outside of them really setting a very aggressive date and not being at all ready in time to actually do the thing. I.e. maybe they don't have a website or any process for the mass trade in's ready to go. Well, that's on them, should have waited to set a date till they were ready.
Again, you're making certain base assumptions here that I think over drastically oversimplifying things, to reinforce your own narrative. While I can understand the desire to do so, it's really not that simple. For example, all deedbacks go back to the Association, not to Wyndham. Wyndham currently has an agreement to acquire deedbacks from the Associations for the certain agreed upon purposes. However, a bankruptcy vote is looming, which likely means any/all contracts that exist between Wyndham and the Association regarding deedbacks are now in question, and any actions taken could be subject to clawbacks during the bankruptcy proceeding. That means that, by definition, Wyndham would potentially be giving away CWA points to owners now, for nothing in return after the fact. That's a big risk to take really. I'm no lawyer either, but I've had a few conversations with people who are knowledgeable about this type of thing, and with a bankruptcy proceeding looming in the very near future, nothing is normal at present. Add to that the fact that Wyndham has never taken this approach before, I'm fairly certain the lawyers involved representing Wyndham aren't going to green light anything until the process plays out. Lawyers are generally a very risk averse bunch, there's likely no way they will approve any outlays until the path forward is clear.
 
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We're up to 88 pages in this thread. When the 2026 reservations at these resorts do eventually get cancelled, I foresee a lot of crying and b*tching posts. Omg, we had a family vacation planned, vacation time requested, flights and rental cars booked and paid for, etc.

This will be one of those if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all situations. Hopefully I can keep myself from the temptation to read those posts because it will be difficult to refrain and not say anything at all.

In spite of all the talk here on TUG, in the Facebook groups, with other owners while at the resorts, some people still haven't made alternate plans. Folks, it's raining enough that the ark is starting to float!
 
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Will Wyndham create a new name for all their resorts after December 31,2025?
 
Again, you're making certain base assumptions here that I think over drastically oversimplifying things, to reinforce your own narrative.
The only assumption I'm making is that "we might vote on bankruptcy" doesn't change the legalities of deed transfers, or else someone would have to let everyone know so they don't try and sell their TSs right?
While I can understand the desire to do so, it's really not that simple. For example, all deedbacks go back to the Association, not to Wyndham.
I am pretty certain that while uncommon, companies can purchase a timeshare deed just like any other property. I'm not talking about deedbacks, I'm saying imagine I was unaware of all this and decided to purchase a deed from an existing owner like any other resale - for cash. We could also do an exchange in kind (there's a part of the TUG marketplace for this) where I trade one TS for another TS. Slot in Wyndham.
Wyndham currently has an agreement to acquire deedbacks from the Associations for the certain agreed upon purposes. However, a bankruptcy vote is looming, which likely means any/all contracts that exist between Wyndham and the Association regarding deedbacks are now in question, and any actions taken could be subject to clawbacks during the bankruptcy proceeding.
This is IMHO nothing to do with a legal restriction, it's Wyndham strategy which yes, is because of contracts they have sure. But those contracts are Wyndham's doing. With reasonable planning this could have been managed better.
That means that, by definition, Wyndham would potentially be giving away CWA points to owners now, for nothing in return after the fact.
What is Wyndham getting doing it this way? Why couldn't they do a contract with the owners that Wyndham gets the residuals of the traded week/UDI in trade for the CWA points. If everything works like I'm suggesting, owner does nothing. If for some reason the deed is clawed back (to the owner, not the HOA right - cause I really don't see how both the seller and buyer of a deed can end up with it going to a third party / nothing), the check amount is known publicly based on unit or UDI. Wyndham asks for that dollar amount or removes the CWA points. Make this VERY CLEAR in the large print and the vast majority of people who want to stay with Wyndham for the points are IMO unlikely to try and pull a fast one here. Worst case for Wyndham is they have a few years of CWA points that they couldn't sell, but still got MFs paid on so . . .
That's a big risk to take really. I'm no lawyer either, but I've had a few conversations with people who are knowledgeable about this type of thing, and with a bankruptcy proceeding looming in the very near future, nothing is normal at present. Add to that the fact that Wyndham has never taken this approach before, I'm fairly certain the lawyers involved representing Wyndham aren't going to green light anything until the process plays out. Lawyers are generally a very risk averse bunch, there's likely no way they will approve any outlays until the path forward is clear.
IDK, IMHO thinking about this like it's a legal decision is just the wrong framing. It's a strategic mistake for Wyndham. The framing is Public Relations. If they wanted to do this as a entirely legal framing, I think they just drop the resorts from Club Wyndham, which they can do for any reason or none at all from the docs I've seen. The resorts then do whatever. No trades needed, and again, legally I don't see any problem for Wyndham if they cut it off etc etc. That's completely separate from shutting down a resort, from bankruptcy, etc.

I assume the reason they're trying to give other options like the CWA Swap, and why they're being so vague and not communicating is basically a bad PR plan. Or just a bad plan overall.

I keep coming back to - what is happening with sales of these deeds on the resale market? Are they stopped by... someone? Who even has that authority? Not a bankruptcy court - they're not in court yet. Wyndham can ROFR, but that's basically the same as what I've suggested above, just on a smaller scale. The HOA?

And if Wyndham is ROFR or the like, what even is the difference there vs just being the buyer themselves directly? Again, I'm left with a bunch of Wydham "invented" legal issues that are actually - we didn't want to bother planning this out or communicating it and we're worried that if we do anything it might cost us money in some convoluted way that we also are barred from explaining. It smells like a doge and a self inflicted wound that could stop at any time.
 
Will Wyndham create a new name for all their resorts after December 31,2025?
Why would they? The ones leaving the Wyndham system, whether closing completely or going independent or to another timeshare system, will be removed from the Wyndham brand. Whoever controls them afterward will be responsible for naming those properties, not Wyndham. The resorts that are not leaving the Wyndham system have no reason to be rebranded.
 
We're up to 88 pages in this thread. When the 2026 reservations at these resorts do eventually get cancelled, I forsee a lot of crying and b*tching posts. Omg, we had a family vacation planned, vacation time requested, flights and rental cars booked and paid for, etc.

This will be one of those if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all situations. Hopefully I can keep myself from the temptation to read those posts because it will be difficult to refrain and not say anything at all.

In spite of all the talk here on TUG, in the Facebook groups, with other owners while at the resorts, some people still haven't made alternate plans. Folks, it's raining enough that the ark is starting to float!

Am I wrong in thinking that all the wailing and gnashing of teeth would subside if only the (artificial) deadline of December 31, 2025 were abandoned?
 
I have managed projects in my prior life and it seems to me the proper procedure would have be to take a vote to close the resort before firing employees.
One connection I hadn't made is that somehow, merely blocking out the 2026 calendars is not legally feasible for Wyndham (while I do understand why they'd wait on the step of actually cancelling existing reservations, they've been allowing new reservations for 2 months now), but telling the employees that they're out of a job after 12/31 and from what I understand, paying them incentives for sticking around to the bitter end is legally just fine. Okay.

We're up to 88 pages in this thread. When the 2026 reservations at these resorts do eventually get cancelled, I forsee a lot of crying and b*tching posts. Omg, we had a family vacation planned, vacation time requested, flights and rental cars booked and paid for, etc.
I would guess it'll be much worse on Facebook than here. I think the message to book a backup ASAP cuts through the noise a little better here than there.

Will Wyndham create a new name for all their resorts after December 31,2025?
I've said for a long time that the Travel + Leisure purchase was the perfect opportunity for Club Wyndham to drop the Wyndham name and disassociate itself from the middling budget hotels, but it never did. I'm not sure this is any better of an opportunity, given that they didn't do it back then.
 
I've said for a long time that the Travel + Leisure purchase was the perfect opportunity for Club Wyndham to drop the Wyndham name and disassociate itself from the middling budget hotels, but it never did. I'm not sure this is any better of an opportunity, given that they didn't do it back then.

The expense of putting a new name on everything wouldn't be inconsiderable. Plus I think the resorts would bear much of that expense

Signs
Employee shirts/jackets
Printed materials
Promotional items
Every single product/item that has the Wyndham name on it. That's a long list when you really think about. The bath towels and sheets at some resorts have a Wyndham label on them.

I'd guess that the only expense that would be entirely Wyndham's is the employee shirts/jackets.

And they'd have to change their name on the Nascar car they pay to sponsor. Unless they aren't doing that to promote the timeshare division, just the hotel division.
 
FWIW

I went to an owner update this morning (8:15 so i could make my 10am meeting).

Probably sensing that I was unlikely to purchase, they set me up with "someone from corporate." He started off by asking "what was the purpose of your visit." I responded that I had a question, and asked about legacy resort closures, as I have two "untradeable" weeks at Long Wharf in RI. He showed me a pdf on his phone that listed two RI resorts as unnamed, but didn’t know which two they were. He also said someone from Wyndham would reach out if Long Wharf was going to close to discuss options.

And then we were done.

In and out in 15 minutes, AMEX gift card in hand.
 
If Wyndham plans to (and as far as we can tell, has always been able to unilaterally do so) remove from Club Wyndham, at the very least I don't see why they haven't already done so in the web page and apps to block bookings at all the resorts post 12/31/25 and cancel plus refund any points bookings that are from points not directly owned at the resort, i.e. anything using the internal exchange that Wyndham is removing them from. And then communicate THAT to everyone affected, if not everyone on their website.

Unless there's some yet unclear legal reason the HOA BOD votes could make Wyndham keep them in the Club Wyndham program, which as far as this thread has shown there isn't.

At least then people not on this thread would know / have known that their January-maybe September 2026 reservations are null and void. I mean, even if the HOA votes to keep going as a TS, it wouldn't be a Club Wyndham member, so they presumably wouldn't honor Club Wyndham reservations... And it'd be up to the owners and the HOA to determine how to do reservations in the future. Not that we think any of these are likely to continue as independent or run by a different management company now.

I'm not sure if it's official or not in communications, but from all that I understand from this thread - nothing could happen in the votes that would change Wyndham's 2 basic offers / options to affected owners - Stay with the resort "as an independent" with disposition of that ownership to remain open to the HOA vote while losing 2026 and future CWS points, or convert to CWA and turn ownership over to Wyndham as part of that swap. If in fact Wyndham has any concerns about HOA votes going their way, it seems to me like doing another batch of gathering deeds helps them, and leaving the only other owners as people who presumably want to also close the resorts and get out of the MFs and or Club Wyndham so would also vote the way Wyndham wants. I can't see why Wyndham needs to wait for a HOA vote to offer the trade - from my understanding Wyndham could offer any trade to CWA for anyone at any resort any time they wanted to, and heck assuming they have the points in the trust could also just give them out if they wanted - it's just usually they are trying to get a bunch of money for doing so. But the legal docs no where list a minimum per point price - resales of CWA are usually free after all.
They legally can't just stop taking reservations and cancelling next years until the owners actually vote to end the resort. On the off chance that the vote fails, and they have to continue managing beyond Dec. 31st. Probably won't happen, but have to cover all bases.
 
I've said for a long time that the Travel + Leisure purchase was the perfect opportunity for Club Wyndham to drop the Wyndham name and disassociate itself from the middling budget hotels, but it never did. I'm not sure this is any better of an opportunity, given that they didn't do it back then.

Wyndham has a management agreement at each location , typically renewed in 5 or 10 year increments. Their buying the Travel and Leisure brand name in no way would allow them to walk out on all of those signed contracts. This is really the only way they have out. Convincing the associations to declare bankruptcy.
 
Wyndham has a management agreement at each location , typically renewed in 5 or 10 year increments. Their buying the Travel and Leisure brand name in no way would allow them to walk out on all of those signed contracts. This is really the only way they have out. Convincing the associations to declare bankruptcy.
Sure, but maybe that's why they're hell for leather for the end of this year. The management contracts might be up for renewal. Also, won't that be fun after telling all the employees their job is over already. Plus, while they might have to continue managing a resort for up to an average of ~2 years(assuming a 5 year renewal), they don't have to have it part of Club Wyndham. That was very clear from all the documents above. Maybe worst case they subcontract to Capital or someone else, but remember they have the votes so...
 
Wyndham has a management agreement at each location , typically renewed in 5 or 10 year increments. Their buying the Travel and Leisure brand name in no way would allow them to walk out on all of those signed contracts. This is really the only way they have out. Convincing the associations to declare bankruptcy.
I never said it would - in fact, it never occurred to me. I literally just meant name change on the surface, same machinery underneath. The corporate name change in 2021 was surely more consequential than simply changing the timeshare letterhead from Club Wyndham to Travel + Leisure Vacation Club or something similar.
 
He showed me a pdf on his phone that listed two RI resorts as unnamed, but didn’t know which two they were.
lol, that’s the original version of the list in the first post of this thread. It listed 2 unknown Rhode Island resorts (later updated to Bay Voyage and Newport Overlook) and 2 unknown California resorts (later removed as incorrect from the start).

Somebody should tell that salesperson to come back and get an updated list! 🤣 (Though probably they just copied it from Jimmy Cassidy’s screenshot of it on Facebook.)
 
They've changed the name of the company many times subtly though. It was Fairfield Vacation Club, Wyndham Vacation Resorts, Wyndham Vacation Ownership, Wyndham Destinations, Club Wyndham, Travel and Leisure.

Probably some others I forgot
 
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