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Westin Flex Maintenance

LahainaMoon

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Just received my eStatement for Westin Flex maintenance for 2026. Shows no increase from 2025. Is this even possible? I'm hoping they didn't make a horrible mistake,:hug
 
I can confirm that 2025 Westin Flex is exactly the same rate as 2024 (0.01329 per point.) Flat, no increase or decrease.
 
Are you sure you're not calculating based on EOY?
In 2024, I remember it being ~$0.02535/Point.
 
Are you sure you're not calculating based on EOY?
In 2024, I remember it being ~$0.02535/Point.
Oops, sorry, yes, my Flex is EOY. So you are correct. But the main point is that it’s exactly the same as 2024, no change.

Sorry for failing to point that out, I forgot my Flex was EOY, lol.
 
I am still dealing with them to remove the $10 ARDA fee from 2024. It now shows as past due on our 2025 invoice. So, I am not sure if the 2025 invoice includes the ARDA fee for 2025 or not. I have asked for clarification. Has anyone heard anything about this issue?
 
I am still dealing with them to remove the $10 ARDA fee from 2024. It now shows as past due on our 2025 invoice. So, I am not sure if the 2025 invoice includes the ARDA fee for 2025 or not. I have asked for clarification. Has anyone heard anything about this issue?
The ARDA fee is shown as optional on my bill. I never pay it and haven’t had the problem you are having. I always pay online and it’s easy enough to just deduct it, I’ve never had it carry over. I don’t know why you always have this problem (and I’m sorry that you do.)

By the way, we’ve had foreign owners complain here about that charge in the past as foreigners are not allowed to donate to political action committees. There's now a footnote that says that donations from corporations and foreigners will instead go to ARDA-ROC instead of ARDA-ROC-PAC, which makes them legal.
 
ARDA-ROC vs ARDA-ROC-PAC? While it may be legal technically, ethically it feels like a distinction without a difference.
 
ARDA-ROC vs ARDA-ROC-PAC? While it may be legal technically, ethically it feels like a distinction without a difference.
One is a political action committee which makes donations to politicians and candidates for office.

The other is essentially a trade organization which does not make political contributions.

Many organizations are split in this way so that they segregate their overt political activities from the rest of their work.

It might be a distinction without a difference, but it's a common one.
 
When we donate to ARDA-ROC how does that get distributed to ARDA. I know many of the timeshare developers give money to the PAC. So in essence is your ARDA-ROC donation just going to the PAC anyway? Just in a round about way?
 
When we donate to ARDA-ROC how does that get distributed to ARDA. I know many of the timeshare developers give money to the PAC. So in essence is your ARDA-ROC donation just going to the PAC anyway? Just in a round about way?
I am not an expert, but my understanding is that ARDA-ROC is not allowed to give their money to the PAC. PAC money has to be specifically donated by individuals.
 
I am not an expert, but my understanding is that ARDA-ROC is not allowed to give their money to the PAC. PAC money has to be specifically donated by individuals.
So the difference is a PAC is something that uses money to support a candidate or candidates. They can spend money on election campaigns or donate to a candidate. Any organization can setup a political lobby. So the ARDA-ROC is a lobby organization where the PAC makes political contributions?
 
So the difference is a PAC is something that uses money to support a candidate or candidates. They can spend money on election campaigns or donate to a candidate. Any organization can setup a political lobby. So the ARDA-ROC is a lobby organization where the PAC makes political contributions?
Yes. The ARDA-ROC might meet with elected representatives or encourage their members to write letters to support a cause, but they can't donate money to politicians. And because foreigners can't donate to politicians, PACs can't take donations from foreigners.
 
Yes. The ARDA-ROC might meet with elected representatives or encourage their members to write letters to support a cause, but they can't donate money to politicians. And because foreigners can't donate to politicians, PACs can't take donations from foreigners.
I don't think this is how ARDA-ROC primarily operates. They are pretty much 100% a lobby and advocacy organization, mostly at the state level.
 
I don't think this is how ARDA-ROC primarily operates. They are pretty much 100% a lobby organization, mostly at the state level.
What is your definition of lobbying? They undoubtedly meet with politicians and attempt to influence legislation. But I don't think they can give money directly, they have to use the PAC for that. Technically the two organizations are separate but of course they coordinate their activities.
 
It's worth noting that ARDA-ROC is technically different from ARDA and is supposed to lobby for the interests of timeshare OWNERS, i.e. us. But it's owned and controlled by ARDA – the trade organization for timeshare developers – and I don't think we should kid ourselves about whose interests it actually represents.
 
What is your definition of lobbying? They undoubtedly meet with politicians and attempt to influence legislation. But I don't think they can give money directly, they have to use the PAC for that. Technically the two organizations are separate but of course they coordinate their activities.
My understanding is the same as yours. You just use the term "might". I think it is much more than that. As noted while the two arms, ROC and the ROC-PAC are legally separate, politicians know where the money is coming from and who is doing the asking. Setting up a lobby organization isn't cheap. Costs can start at $10,000 a month per state and I am sure they lobby in a lot of states.
It's worth noting that ARDA-ROC is technically different from ARDA and is supposed to lobby for the interests of timeshare OWNERS, i.e. us. But it's owned and controlled by ARDA – the trade organization for timeshare developers – and I don't think we should kid ourselves about whose interests it actually represents.
I agree. But the two interests are not necessarily mutually exclusive. There are many situations where owner interests are the same or higher than developer interests. I know ARDA-ROC successfully lobbied against Hawaii TSO (Timeshare Occupancy Tax) being raised to be based on 100% of the maintenance fee instead of just 50%. That would have resulted in the occupancy tax doubling for all timeshare occupants. I am sure there are others. I would also hope, but don't know, that the ROC doesn't lobby for certain consumer protection laws. I know that ARDA has in the past.

It should also be noted that ARDA-ROC is not a member organization. The Board of Directors is all made up of big industry executives. Owners that contribute have zero say in what they lobby for or against.
 
I am still dealing with them to remove the $10 ARDA fee from 2024. It now shows as past due on our 2025 invoice. So, I am not sure if the 2025 invoice includes the ARDA fee for 2025 or not. I have asked for clarification. Has anyone heard anything about this issue?
I spoke with a representative, who discussed it with others, and was told that the ARDA fee was not included in my 2025 assessment. So, the reps that I spoke with over the past nine months were misinformed. Based on the estimated budget that we had received I now believe the fee is not included. We will pay our balance due and move on.
 
I wonder if Sheraton Flex will see the same "flattish" maintenance fees into 2026. I received the proxy for SVV Bella and in the section of them asking to vote for waiving of fully funded reserves, it indicates if it is waived that owners choose a range of what the reserves should be. The amount the board is recommending for the reserve fee is $489 - $847. The reserve fee for 2025 was only $337.82. So it would seem that the lowest the reserve fee can be is $150 higher than it was in 2025. If the maintenance fee at SVV Bella goes up by only this $150, it would be an 8.8% increase.
 
back to the OP...
Interesting that there is no change in MFs - I wonder if it is because of inventory being put into Flex has lower MFs, or alternatively that higher MF inventory is being pulled out?
I find it odd that no increase was shown considering the cost of most things are going up (in some cases dramatically).
I doubt if our deeded weeks will stay flat.
 
back to the OP...
Interesting that there is no change in MFs - I wonder if it is because of inventory being put into Flex has lower MFs, or alternatively that higher MF inventory is being pulled out?
I find it odd that no increase was shown considering the cost of most things are going up (in some cases dramatically).
I doubt if our deeded weeks will stay flat.
I don't believe they've added or removed any inventory from Westin Flex (or Sheraton Flex). New conveyances have been going to the MVC Abound Trust.
 
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