You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

So more than doubling air pollution in the area of fast charging stations is now "clean energy". What language is that? Orwellian Newspeak?

It's certainly better than the significantly elevated VOCs at every gas station on earth in comparison, and it's an easy problem to resolve via filtration, which has remaining unresolved for VOCs in comparison.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/hqpIN5lb0Sfu3AD8aOkD6ErPz

 

[emeryjre]

EV fast chargers are pollutant hot spots

Scientists found the air around EV fast chargers had around twice as much fine particulate matter compared to general urban levels.

newsroom.ucla.edu

Did you actually read the article
Or was it you saw clickbait headline and promptly posted it here

 

[PigsDad]

Did you actually read the article
Or was it you saw clickbait headline and promptly posted it here

I think he posted just so he could clutch his pearls a little tighter.

Kurt

 

[easyrider]

This is a political comment.

It isn't political at all. Crude oil is used to produce over 6000 products that are important to almost every aspect of modern life. At this point in time, society couldn't survive without crude oil.

I think your comment is a political comment because you would try to turn support for a needed product into an effort to discredit the truth. Nice try.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Or that every single post you make is anti-EV, but that’s permitted here. Political comments are not.

Yes. You are free to pronounce your anti-ev sentiment here but not your politics. Basically, I'm not for ev's, because to me, they are still a niche product rather than a standardized product, even though they are gaining ground, especially with Tesla. I actually might buy and take delivery of a Tesla before the end of Sept if the right deal pops up.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

So more than doubling air pollution in the area of fast charging stations is now "clean energy". What language is that? Orwellian Newspeak?

It's true that the air near the super chargers fans have higher particulates but given a distance of 6 ft the particulate concentration is less than those at a gas station. Also, there are no toxic fumes at a super chargers station like there are at a gas station. To me, a super chargers station seems like a better environment over a gas station.

Bill

 

[Ken555]

It isn't political at all. Crude oil is used to produce over 6000 products that are important to almost every aspect of modern life. At this point in time, society couldn't survive without crude oil.

I think your comment is a political comment because you would try to turn support for a needed product into an effort to discredit the truth. Nice try.

Bill

Amusing.

 

[Carolinian]

Did you actually read the article
Or was it you saw clickbait headline and promptly posted it here

Actually, I first read the information on The European Conservative but to post here, I looked up the primary source directly from the university. There is over twice as much fine particle pollution in the vacinity of the fast charging stations than in urban air generally.

 

[emeryjre]

And how far out does this concentration of fine particle pollution extend out from the intake and exhaust fans of the charger?

 

[HitchHiker71]

Actually, I first read the information on The European Conservative but to post here, I looked up the primary source directly from the university. There is over twice as much fine particle pollution in the vacinity of the fast charging stations than in urban air generally.

And yet the very same article also clearly states:

In other words, it's an easily solved problem with simple filtration at the transformers where the fans in question are located (not at the stalls in other words). It's also worth noting, for anyone who doesn't actually own an EV that continues to post internet talking points into this thread, that almost no one is outside of their vehicle while charging occurs. They are either sitting safely inside their EV (and in the case of Tesla - a HEPA filtration system equipped vehicle - complete with a BioWeapon Defense Mode no less), and/or have walked away to get food or take a bathroom break at the local eateries available. You're literally only outside of your EV for a few seconds to plug and un-plug your vehicle.

Lastly, there are NO VOCs, particularly benzene, that is resident in all gasoline mixtures, at any charging location, which are, by far, the more dangerous cancer-causing elements to be concerned about:

Per the summary remarks above, the PM2.5 from mechanical redistribution are something that needs to be dealt with via filtration, and it's a much easier solution than anything dealing with vapor capture - as is evidenced by the fact that gas stations have been around for decades and this continues to be an issue.

 

[easyrider]

It's also worth noting, for anyone who doesn't actually own an EV that continues to post internet talking points into this thread, that almost no one is outside of their vehicle while charging occurs

I'm thinking the EV drivers sit in their EV to charge because it takes a bit of time to charge which is one of the big reason ev's aren't that popular.

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

Southern California has high levels of <PM2.5 air pollution
The fans of the EV chargers are concentrating this material
The EV chargers are not creating the <PM2.5 material
If they would check
They would find areas of localized <PM2.5 around air conditioner condensers
Anthing that draws air in, concentrates the material, and exhausts the air out
The headline makes it appear the EV chargers a causing and creating <PM2.5 material

 

[Brett]

I'm thinking the EV drivers sit in their EV to charge because it takes a bit of time to charge which is one of the big reason ev's aren't that popular.

Bill

I suppose the Chinese EV owners also sit in their car while charging (or home)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/19/climate/us-electric-vehicle-chargers-china.html

 

[easyrider]

I suppose the Chinese EV owners also sit in their car while charging (or home)

I think most of China's EV owners can't charge at home, but because of their governments ability to do whatever they want, it isn't much of a problem for them to build these megawatt charger facilities. In the USA , megawatt charging stations are difficult to build mostly because of the power grid. Even if they were built, there isn't an EV available in the USA that could handle that type of power delivery.

I've read that Chinese EV charging facilities are self serve so they would have to get out of their car to plug in and plug out.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

I'm thinking the EV drivers sit in their EV to charge because it takes a bit of time to charge which is one of the big reason ev's aren't that popular.

Bill

I mean I will sit in my pickup truck when refueling. With a 35 gallon tank it takes several minutes to refill, particularly if it’s a high utilization station or time of day, and if it’s hot outside, I’m not standing around outside in that kinda heat.

Yes it does take longer to charge, but it’s typically only 5-15 minutes when roadtripping really, at least with Tesla, which is just enough time to grab a bite to eat, a coffee/drink, take a bathroom break, and get back to the car and get situated for the next leg of the trip. We have taken several 8-10 hour road trips and when using the Tesla we haven’t really seen any major increases in road trip times, if at all really, when compared to using our pickup for example, when we take into account bathroom breaks and meals.


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[emeryjre]

It is the people who will never own an EV who complain about EVs
In major urban/suburban areas are where EV are a fit for home charging
Daily commutes in rush hour traffic
The sales of EVs are still a percentage of vehicle sales
Life goes on
Things change
The complainers are always going to complain
Social Media has just expanded their reach

 

[buzglyd]

I don’t have my garage set up for charging yet. We’ve been using the local Tesla Superchargers. I’ve got a 30 amp outlet already installed for a dryer (our dryer is gas). I could just buy a 30 amp charging cord from Amazon or pay an electrician to install a 50 amp breaker and outlet. I have a feeling that’s gonna be substantially more than buying a 30 amp cord for $279.

 

[Ken555]

I don’t have my garage set up for charging yet. We’ve been using the local Tesla Superchargers. I’ve got a 30 amp outlet already installed for a dryer (our dryer is gas). I could just buy a 30 amp charging cord from Amazon or pay an electrician to install a 50 amp breaker and outlet. I have a feeling that’s gonna be substantially more than buying a 30 amp cord for $279.

You'd probably charge at about 30-35 miles per hour with your existing circuit, assuming you can dedicate the full 30A. Do you really need more?

~48A would only increase the per hour charging rate to 40-45 miles, so it’s probably not worth the investment.

 

[easyrider]

I don’t have my garage set up for charging yet. We’ve been using the local Tesla Superchargers. I’ve got a 30 amp outlet already installed for a dryer (our dryer is gas). I could just buy a 30 amp charging cord from Amazon or pay an electrician to install a 50 amp breaker and outlet. I have a feeling that’s gonna be substantially more than buying a 30 amp cord for $279.

You would need to change the wire from the breaker to the outlet to 6 ga to run 50 amps. A dryer typically uses 10 ga wire on 30 amps. My neighbor is using a 30 amp dryer outlet to charge their Tesla over night and has no problem getting a full charge. They have an outlet adapter/splitter for their Tesla charging cable so they can charge and use the dryer.

My plan is to add a charging outlet off the dryer outlet to the front of our garage using a conduit if we buy a Tesla. Our garage is more like a storage area than a garage.

Bill

 

[DrQ]

They have an outlet adapter/splitter for their Tesla charging cable so they can charge and use the dryer.

My plan is to add a charging outlet off the dryer outlet to the front of our garage using a conduit if we buy a Tesla.

To be safe, I would use a transfer switch to be sure that both could not be used at the same time. You can rely on the breaker to trip on the over current, but the wire would still be heating up until it finally lets go.

 

[geist1223]

To be safe do not put a Tesla High Amp Charger in your Garage.

 

[easyrider]

To be safe, I would use a transfer switch to be sure that both could not be used at the same time. You can rely on the breaker to trip on the over current, but the wire would still be heating up until it finally lets go.

My wife does laundry in the day. We would charge at night. Yes, I would be relying on the breaker without a switch. I'm thinking the switch would be required for the permit. Thinking about the permit now it would be easier to just buy the outlet splitter for $250.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

To be safe do not put a Tesla High Amp Charger in your Garage.

Why not? Hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners use either a Tesla mobile charger or a TWC mounted in garages with no issues, including me, and have for years with zero issues.


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[easyrider]

And how far out does this concentration of fine particle pollution extend out from the intake and exhaust fans of the charger?

I read at 6 ft away it isn't any different than most places outside.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Why not? Hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners use either a Tesla mobile charger or a TWC mounted in garages with no issues, including me, and have for years with zero issues.


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Tesla's are getting popular in our subdivision. The neighbor across the street recently purchased a Model Y. All of them are charged in the garage from what I can tell.

Notifying the home owners insurance company of adding an EV charging in the garage is a requirement from what I read. I'm not sure if the premium goes up but it probably does.

Bill