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Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

I was told yesterday at an "update" after a long, pressured offer to transfer to Travel and Leisure, that the Newport Long Wharf is being "decommissioned".
Newport Long Wharf is not one of the expected closures in the list - you should look at the first post on this thread.
 
Individual HOA's members can vote to remove themselves from Wyndham management, which would remove the inventory from Club Wyndham. That happened at one of the HOA's at Edisto, Villa Rica and I believe one of the ones at Pagosa.

Never been to Bentley Brook, anyone who has been there, are there issues with the property?
We were there last year. The resort is well maintained, has a wonderful large common area/lobby that is seasonally decorated. It also has a fairly low points requirement
 
Newport Long Wharf is not one of the expected closures in the list - you should look at the first post on this thread.
Well it certainly could be bullshit. The same person told me that Shawnee Village was also being decommissioned (I'm there right now. The unit we are in is recently refurbished). But in relation to the tiers of access that I mentioned in that post, someone with only enough points to book there will not be able to book anywhere once the new access system kicks in.
 
Well it certainly could be bullshit. The same person told me that Shawnee Village was also being decommissioned (I'm there right now. The unit we are in is recently refurbished). But in relation to the tiers of access that I mentioned in that post, someone with only enough points to book there will not be able to book anywhere once the new access system kicks in.
Shawnee is probably being decommissioned, well it's leaving Club Wyndham. But the rest is bullshit. Don't take it seriously. The points values aren't changing, just look online and see if the points values still work for you.
 
Shawnee is probably being decommissioned, well it's leaving Club Wyndham. But the rest is bullshit. Don't take it seriously. The points values aren't changing, just look online and see if the points values still work for you.
Of course points values can't change, legally. But it sounds like access to booking can. There's a chart on another thread here about who can book how much and how far ahead. The used car salesman/member services rep made it sound like we would only be able to book a few days here and there unless we bought more points
 
For those not taking the exchange for CWA points. Be aware that whatever money you do eventually receive will also get a tax form and be reported to the IRS.

Chapjim reiterated something I said. Don't expect this to wrap up and get the money in a few months. Orlando International is proceeding more quickly than should be expected at other resorts on the list because this resort was already well on the way to taking action before this. There's still a lot to be done that takes time and incurs costs. More than just the lawyers fees. The associated costs like document prep, copies, postage, filling and recording fees, etc. on this large of a scale add up to more than you'd think.

We've been through this with owning at the Golden Strand Ocean Villa Resort in Sunny Isles Beach, Florida. Read the last post in this thread. https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/golden-strand-resort-bought-by-trump-group.205607/

If one entity, Wyndham in this case, doesn't own 100% of a resort, doing a type of bankruptcy is typically how it's done when a resort is dissolved and sold.

If the resort is taken over by another timeshare company instead of being dissolved and sold off to a developer, that's an entirely different situation. There's no buyout for the individual owners. A conversion to that timeshare's system would be offered. If you wanted out you'd have to hope the new timeshare company would take back what you own or that you could find someone to take or buy it from you.

About lawsuits. Wyndham tries to settles out of court whenever possible. Companies, businesses, individuals, law firms typically try to reach an out of court settlement because it's expensive to go to trial. It's also not unusual for there to be NDAs involved. In our lawsuit happy country no company/business wants a target painted on them by attorneys and individuals just looking to score a settlement.

That being said, of course settling out of court and with NDAs does sometimes cover up wrong doing, business practices that would hurt the company/business reputation, etc. Most of us watch movies, TV shows, so we're aware that this does happen.

As has been discussed in other threads going back years, Wyndham has significantly more lawsuits filed against them than any other timeshare company. They're the largest timeshare company so you'd expect their numbers to be somewhat higher. The significantly higher would seem to be because the general consensus is that Wyndham has the most predatory and deceptive sales practices.

I'd guess a good number of the lawsuits are disgruntled owners who've found out they spent thousands of dollars on something they could have paid a minimal amount for on eBay, TUG, Redweek, etc. They and the attorneys they use will latch on to anything they can use to sue and get out.
The tax hit may actually be a loss for many. Remember, real estate is a capital gain/loss. I wonder how Wyndham will track that capital gain/loss for resale. My account shows what the original owner paid for their unit, not what I paid for it. Something i never thought of until now.
 
The tax hit may actually be a loss for many. Remember, real estate is a capital gain/loss. I wonder how Wyndham will track that capital gain/loss for resale. My account shows what the original owner paid for their unit, not what I paid for it. Something i never thought of until now.
I don't see a problem unless you don't know what you paid for it. What is Wyndham going to track?
 
I don't see a problem unless you don't know what you paid for it. What is Wyndham going to track?
Good point. I guess it’s the owner’s responsibility to figure out what they paid for it. But to answer your question, no I have a guesstimate of what I paid but no idea exactly since it was an eBay resale.
 
Of course points values can't change, legally. But it sounds like access to booking can. There's a chart on another thread here about who can book how much and how far ahead. The used car salesman/member services rep made it sound like we would only be able to book a few days here and there unless we bought more points
Same BS sales line that was being fed to me yesterday in Atlantic City at Skyline. It's just BS.
 
Well it certainly could be bullshit. The same person told me that Shawnee Village was also being decommissioned (I'm there right now. The unit we are in is recently refurbished). But in relation to the tiers of access that I mentioned in that post, someone with only enough points to book there will not be able to book anywhere once the new access system kicks in.
Long Wharf just renovated this year. While that would be nothing, generally, since others just renovated as well that are closing, Long Wharf renovated to add a sales center. Not that any of this makes sense, but not sure why Wyndham would bring a sales team to a place they were thinking of closing.
 
Same BS sales line that was being fed to me yesterday in Atlantic City at Skyline. It's just BS.
I’m just asking out of curiosity, why are you attending sales presentations when you already know they’re BS? Is the gift that good or do you do it for other reasons?
 
I’m just asking out of curiosity, why are you attending sales presentations when you already know they’re BS? Is the gift that good or do you do it for other reasons?
$150 for an hour of my time. Crud weather yesterday down at the Jersey shore and I was alone without any family. $150 tax free for an hour is better than my salary. Covered gas, tolls, parking and then some for my 120 mile one way trip.

If they give you a decent gift, and you know the deal already, I find the pitch worth it, as long as I have nothing else planned while away.

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Well it certainly could be bullshit. The same person told me that Shawnee Village was also being decommissioned (I'm there right now. The unit we are in is recently refurbished). But in relation to the tiers of access that I mentioned in that post, someone with only enough points to book there will not be able to book anywhere once the new access system kicks in.

There is no new access system, that’s a lie. Stop attending sales update meetings solely run by commission only sales people who have one single goal - to sell more product.


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Good point. I guess it’s the owner’s responsibility to figure out what they paid for it. But to answer your question, no I have a guesstimate of what I paid but no idea exactly since it was an eBay resale.

No bank account or credit card records? I've bought a bunch of contracts, probably 2.5 million points, on eBay and know exactly what I paid for every one.
 
Of course points values can't change, legally. But it sounds like access to booking can. There's a chart on another thread here about who can book how much and how far ahead. The used car salesman/member services rep made it sound like we would only be able to book a few days here and there unless we bought more points

This is a long used sales ploy that they term reservation priority. It’s always a lie - there is no such thing - we run tests periodically using a VIPF, and a VIPG account compared to a resale only account a couple times a year - all see identical inventory in the system with the exception of known differences for MVC/ARP/PR - which is normal. This is one of the biggest falsehoods that sales uses to convince owners to buy more points for no good reason. Whenever sales tries this ploy, ask them to show you side by side with your account vs a VIP account (the sales account they use on their iPads is a VIPF account typically), they will figure out an excuse not to do so IME. When the results are the same, if they do it, ask them why given they just told you a higher tier account will see more inventory. Watch them get uncomfortable. The last sales rep that I had was fairly new and really believed that reservation priority existed. I showed her it was a lie via a direct comparison. She was not happy. The manager let me go right away. Tell them you are from Missouri - the show me state - ask for proof - they cannot give you proof. Then walk away with your gift.

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No bank account or credit card records? I've bought a bunch of contracts, probably 2.5 million points, on eBay and know exactly what I paid for every one.
Just dug through my Gmail folder. Found the receipt for $625. I guess I can use that for price. Not sure if that included transfer fees and other costs, and not sure if that is even counted for the purchase price. Either way, I don't expect to get much more that $1-2k for the sale since I won't take CWA. Nearly a wash anyway at the end of the day. Nothing to be concerned about. Like I have been saying, I rather have the 154k points at $6.50 per 1k MFs than the $2k I'll get in the sale.
 
Just dug through my Gmail folder. Found the receipt for $625. I guess I can use that for price. Not sure if that included transfer fees and other costs, and not sure if that is even counted for the purchase price. Either way, I don't expect to get much more that $1-2k for the sale since I won't take CWA. Nearly a wash anyway at the end of the day. Nothing to be concerned about. Like I have been saying, I rather have the 154k points at $6.50 per 1k MFs than the $2k I'll get in the sale.

You might not have a choice to take cwa.

Someone on facebook reported that at the Orlando International vote it was stated that if the member converted to points then they would be offered the option to trade to cwa points or wait for the sales distribution. Fixed week owners are limited to the second option.

It seems that you are limited to taking the $5000.
 
You might not have a choice to take cwa.

Someone on facebook reported that at the Orlando International vote it was stated that if the member converted to points then they would be offered the option to trade to cwa points or wait for the sales distribution. Fixed week owners are limited to the second option.

It seems that you are limited to taking the $5000.
Or the $500. Or maybe the $50.

Some posts don't expect OIRC to be worth much given the location of the resort and the resort itself.
 
Or the $500. Or maybe the $50.

Some posts don't expect OIRC to be worth much given the location of the resort and the resort itself.

I'd be absolutely shocked if owners get $5000 out of their week. Wyndham is going to milk every cent they can out of it. Consultants (which are fully owned subsidiaries of Wyndham) and layers with connections to the same will take their pounds of flesh
 
Or the $500. Or maybe the $50.

Some posts don't expect OIRC to be worth much given the location of the resort and the resort itself.
I suspect it is worth less than the land it sits on. There is real estate value there, but there are costs to demolish the building and build whatever they want there instead. I had to look up where it was and didn't realize that I've passed it countless times on International Drive. It doesn't seem to be in an ideal location for something great. Perhaps a small apartment complex or run of the mill mid-tier chain hotel.
 
First I want to say how much I appreciate so much of the information discussed/shared here. So many of you really understand this stuff and it's truly impressive, there is so much to understand in so many different areas around timeshares. Especially for anyone caught in the crosshairs - what a great forum to ask questions specifically about their situation.

Then I want to say/ask... Why would Wyndham do this all in one fell swoop? Batch 13 resorts together, making generalizations about the whole mass (these may be exiting Wyndham for a laundry list of reasons and we are left to speculate why). Each resort is unique and they will each be handled differently, glumping it all together and basically leaking it out -- I can't even put words to it. Just shake my head, and try to think of different names I would call this 'project'. Like operation Cluster___ - and then I shake my head again.
 
First I want to say how much I appreciate so much of the information discussed/shared here. So many of you really understand this stuff and it's truly impressive, there is so much to understand in so many different areas around timeshares. Especially for anyone caught in the crosshairs - what a great forum to ask questions specifically about their situation.

Then I want to say/ask... Why would Wyndham do this all in one fell swoop? Batch 13 resorts together, making generalizations about the whole mass (these may be exiting Wyndham for a laundry list of reasons and we are left to speculate why). Each resort is unique and they will each be handled differently, glumping it all together and basically leaking it out -- I can't even put words to it. Just shake my head, and try to think of different names I would call this 'project'. Like operation Cluster___ - and then I shake my head again.
As others have posted in this thread - I think it's a mix of "standard" Wyndham incompetence (not figuring this was going to leak) and real and imagined legal issues meaning they "have" to wait till all the votes are over to comment. If you wanted to create a bunch of rumors and concerned owners and opportunities for both sales and other scams on the less knowledgeable ones, you'd be hard pressed IMO to come up with a better method intentionally than what Wyndham has done here.
 
Looks like OIRC will close the end of this year. Wonder how they will handle our maintenance fees for 2026 with no resort week to use or trade.
 
As others have posted in this thread - I think it's a mix of "standard" Wyndham incompetence (not figuring this was going to leak) and real and imagined legal issues meaning they "have" to wait till all the votes are over to comment. If you wanted to create a bunch of rumors and concerned owners and opportunities for both sales and other scams on the less knowledgeable ones, you'd be hard pressed IMO to come up with a better method intentionally than what Wyndham has done here.
You are kinder (to Wyndham) than I - my guess is it is intentional. Well maybe 60% intentional and 40% standard mode of operation for Wyndham.
 
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