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Lounge Access - a Hilton Club

My solution is to use the United Club showers at C123 which are nicer IMHO. Almost never a wait at showrs in UC as there are 6 or 8 shower rooms. C123 is a short 5 min walk from PL. For me since I fly from Hawaii we seem to use Terminal C often and makes using C123 easy.

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I flew from EWRHNL via SFO - I didn’t have the option of the EWRHNL non-stop. When does it operate?
 
I flew from EWRHNL via SFO - I didn’t have the option of the EWRHNL non-stop. When does it operate?
They discontinued the daily Newark-Honolulu nonstop in April of last year. It came back as a seasonal winter flight, haven't checked if they're doing it again this coming winter.
 
I flew from EWRHNL via SFO - I didn’t have the option of the EWRHNL non-stop. When does it operate?
UA’s EWR-HNL flights are six days a week in Jan/Feb 2026. No idea about the rest of the year.
 
They discontinued the daily Newark-Honolulu nonstop in April of last year. It came back as a seasonal winter flight, haven't checked if they're doing it again this coming winter.
My memory is the direct flight service stopped starting 2023. I booked a direct flight for August 2023 and was rescheduled automatically into one stop at SFO almost last minute and I wasn’t happy. I had to book a JFK-HNL direct last minute. At that time, the insider information said they were repurposing long haul aircrafts for other Asian routes which were more profitable…
 
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My memory is the direct flight service stopped starting 2023. I booked a direct flight for August 2023 and was rescheduled automatically into one stop at SFO almost last minute and I wasn’t happy. I had to book a JFK-HNL direct last minute. At that time, the insider information said they were repurposing long haul aircrafts for other Asian routes which were more profitable…
Historically they have stopped/restarted a few times, but generally when it returned it was meant to resume as year-round service. The last time year-round service was canceled there was an announcement in October 2023 that they would discontinue the route in mid-April of 2024. There were a few articles online about that announcement, including this one from The Points Guy and this one from Beat of Hawaii.
 
what restaurant does the W57th lounge food come from?

specifically the bagels?
 
Redeye Grill, or that restaurant group, has the contract for all the NYC owners lounges. Not sure where they source the bagels.

 
One topic question: I was in W 57St and The District in Washington. Both had signs that only owners in that particular Club could use the lounge.
Not getting benefits when visiting other Clubs seems out of step with their marketing and positionin
 
One topic question: I was in W 57St and The District in Washington. Both had signs that only owners in that particular Club could use the lounge.
Not getting benefits when visiting other Clubs seems out of step with their marketing and positionin
Not at all. HGV makes a big deal about how special the bHC properties are…that only owners can use the lounge plays into that message.
 
One topic question: I was in W 57St and The District in Washington. Both had signs that only owners in that particular Club could use the lounge.
Not getting benefits when visiting other Clubs seems out of step with their marketing and positionin
I don't want non owners in the lounge - that would raise my MFs.
 
One topic question: I was in W 57St and The District in Washington. Both had signs that only owners in that particular Club could use the lounge.
Not getting benefits when visiting other Clubs seems out of step with their marketing and positionin
The cost of operating the owners lounges is paid for by the HOAs at the individual resorts rather than by HGVC. It might be possible for resort HOAs to agree to reciprocal access, but there could be legal barriers to that sort of thing based on limitations in the CC&Rs, etc. if they were open to anyone staying there, on the other hand, it would be a cost of operation of the resort an HOA could pay for, but much further out of alignment with marketing needs.

IMHO, the limitation to owners works well.
 
I don't want non owners in the lounge - that would raise my MFs.
Well, it gets to the question of who is an owner.
Does ownership in the "Club" system matter, that is, is it a system? Or just a series of individual properties, that share a name?
In HGVC, an owner at any property can use arrival/departure lounges.
 
Well, it gets to the question of who is an owner.
Does ownership in the "Club" system matter, that is, is it a system? Or just a series of individual properties, that share a name?
In HGVC, an owner at any property can use arrival/departure lounges.
An owner at The Quin is someone that owns at The Quin and pays MFs there that pay for operation of the owners lounges.
 
For those that are interested in such things, here's what it says about the use of the Owners' lounge in the Offering Plan for The Quin (quoted from the initial version and not changed in any of the amendments) and the Club Rules:

Pages 11-12:

All Vacation Ownership Interests shall be designated as having one of the following use rights:
.....
a. Use and Enjoyment. During any reserved Occupancy Period, Owners shall have the right to
use and enjoy, on a non-exclusive basis, the recreational and other commonly used facilities within the Project and
the Condominium provided; however, Owners have the exclusive right to use the Owners’ lounge.

Page 26:

Other than the owners’ lounge and fitness center, there are no recreational facilities within the Project. The
owners’ lounge will include dining tables with chairs, sofas with side tables, and tables for computer usage. The
fitness center is expected to include 2 treadmills, 1 elliptical machine, 1 stationary bicycle, 2 bench presses, 1 high
row station, 1 press station and 1 dual adjustment pulley (DAP) machine. The owners’ lounge will only be available
for use by Central Park Vacation Suites Owners; however, the fitness center will be available for use by Owners as
well as Eligible Tenants, hotel guests, marketing guests, short-term renters of Home Weeks from Owners, and
exchangers. The maximum capacity of the owners’ lounge is 68 people and the maximum capacity within the fitness
center is 7 people.

2019 HGVC Club Rules page 12:

Resort Amenities. Amenities vary among resorts and may be operated or provided by third
parties. Certain amenities such as owners’ lounge may be limited to use by owners at that resort. Use
of amenities are subject to the rules and regulations of the specific resort and may require a fee.

2025 HGVC Club Rules page 17:

Resort Amenities. Amenities vary among resorts and may be operated or provided by third parties.
Certain amenities such as owners’ lounge may be limited to use by owners at that resort. Use of amenities
are subject to the rules and regulations of the specific resort and may require a fee.

In HGVC, an owner at any property can use arrival/departure lounges.
In HGVC, the rules for the system have been set up so that individual resorts may have certain amenities such as an owners' lounge that may be limited to use by owners at that resort. I couldn't comment on arrival/departure lounges, as I don't really know of any at HGVC resorts, though they could be set up similarly if a specific resort wanted to do so. This has been a provision of the rules for at least the last 6 years and was likely included when they started developing resorts like W 57th that have owners' lounges. HGVC is a system with rules that govern its use that are disclosed to all purchasers of resorts in the system and are also made publicly available by the State authorities that regulate timeshare developers/operators.

Edited to add that "Central Park Vacation Suites" is the official name for the timeshare portion of The Quin. There is another tenant in the building, currently the restaurant Acadia.
 
Well, it gets to the question of who is an owner.
It's not really a question at all. If you own HGVC you own a particular unit type, season, and property (and/or perhaps fixed unit/week). Most (all?) ownerships in the US are deeded, most (all?) outside the US are not.

You also have the ability to exchange into other HGVC and bHC resorts using Club Points with various rules attached....though such exchanges are subject to the continued existence and munificence of HGV.
 
It's not really a question at all. If you own HGVC you own a particular unit type, season, and property (and/or perhaps fixed unit/week). Most (all?) ownerships in the US are deeded, most (all?) outside the US are not.

You also have the ability to exchange into other HGVC and bHC resorts using Club Points with various rules attached....though such exchanges are subject to the continued existence and munificence of HGV.
Actually, the question @Wexflyer2 should have asked is “Who is an owner for the purpose of accessing an owners lounge at a resort for which there is a restriction making access exclusive to owners?” Without the identification of the purpose, it’s too ambiguous.
 
If you're a deeded owner at The District and exchange in via RCI using a non HGV ownership, you get lounge access based upon personal experience.
Does anyone know if you buy resale at Hilton Liberty Place would you get access to the club room with your deeded week or even hilton points?
 
Does anyone know if you buy resale at Hilton Liberty Place would you get access to the club room with your deeded week or even hilton points?
You will get all of the same benefits as a resale purchase, except for qualifying for the HGV Max tier level and HGV Max.
 
Does anyone know if you buy resale at Hilton Liberty Place would you get access to the club room with your deeded week or even hilton points?
Here's what it says about it for Liberty Place on the HGVC website:

  • The Owners' Lounge offers breakfast service daily from 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. Following breakfast service, access to the Lounge remains open to Owners until 11 p.m. Evening food and beverage service is provided at the on-site Muddle Cocktail Bar & Lounge. Access to the Owners’ Lounge is limited to deeded Liberty Place Owners.
Deeded Liberty Place Owners would include resale purchasers of a deed there. If they manage it as they do at other bHC resorts, such an owner would get access to the Owners' Lounge when booking a room there with other points or exchanging in via RCI. It's not clear from the description of the restrictions whether the Evening food and beverage service provided in the Muddle Cocktail Bar & Lounge is restricted to deeded Liberty Place Owners; I haven't been there and couldn't tell anyone whether that area is divided somehow to prevent non-owners from partaking of the food and beverage service. It's also not really clear whether the Evening food and beverage service is "free" to deeded Liberty Place Owners. (I include the scare quotes around "free" because it's paid for by the HOA using the maintenance fees the deeded owners pay; TANSTAAFEFABS, to misquote the acronym on the subject. I'll bet no one ever uses this acronym again, though it does roll off the tongue nicely!)
 
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Deeded Liberty Place Owners would include resale purchasers of a deed there. If they manage it as they do at other bHC resorts, such an owner would get access to the Owners' Lounge when booking a room there with other points or exchanging in via RCI. It's not clear from the description of the restrictions whether the Evening food and beverage service provided in the Muddle Cocktail Bar & Lounge is restricted to deeded Liberty Place Owners; I haven't been there and couldn't tell anyone whether that area is divided somehow to prevent non-owners from partaking of the food and beverage service. It's also not really clear whether the Evening food and beverage service is "free" to deeded Liberty Place Owners. (I include the scare quotes around "free" because it's paid for by the HOA using the maintenance fees the deeded owners pay; TANSTAAFEFABS, to misquote the acronym on the subject. I'll bet no one ever uses this acronym again, though it does roll off the tongue nicely!)
The owners’ lounge is completely separate from the onsite cocktail bar and lounge.

The bar and lounge is open to everyone (even those wandering in who aren’t staying at Liberty Place) and is quite a nice benefit to staying at Liberty Place…but the owners’ lounge is elsewhere.
 
Does anyone know if you buy resale at Hilton Liberty Place would you get access to the club room with your deeded week or even hilton points?
Yes. And I don’t understand the question about “hilton points”.
 
Yes. And I don’t understand the question about “hilton points”.
I think the question is whether a deeded owner would get access if they booked a reservation using regular HGVC points vs. Hilton Club points. For W. 57th the answer is yes, and I assume it would be the same here.

Cheers.
 
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