Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[CO skier]

Club Wyndham.

And no, there;s nothing even on the radar. I see contraction, not growth. Prove me wrong.

There is nothing to "prove."

It is crystal clear what Wyndham is saying and attempting to do:

"a handful of resorts may be removed from the Club Wyndham portfolio."

Wyndham explained it in the announcement; "Out with the old."

The excerpts from the earnings call clearly indicate the direction management is taking the company -- Margaritaville and Sports Illustrated resorts.

You may be the one who is not "getting it." Owners will have to accept the outcome of the resort owners' elections and adapt, or move on. There is really nothing they can do, even if organized, to affect the course Wyndham is taking.

As mentioned by someone upthread, the question as for the resorts in this discussion is which resorts? and how will they exit? The question, "Should these resorts exit?" is moot at this point.

 

[paxsarah]

You're looking at your Wyndham RCI account. I'm talking about the non-Wyndham RCI points and weeks accounts. However this apparent change to Wyndham charging $299 for less than full week stays seems to be recent. Maybe with the last RCI fee increase and i didnt pay attention? Although with Wyndham's track record, maybe they just slipped that in on RCI.

This is the first time I've considered booking a Wyndham/Worldmark resort for less than 7 nights with our RCI points account. After checking the non-Wyndham resorts I was relieved to see that unlike Wyndham/Worldmark resorts, they're still a pro-rated exchange fee for less than 7 night stays.

Here's something else that's different and significant with the Wyndham/Worldmark listings. The Wyndham/Worldmark listings don't offer the ability to book more than 7 nights in a single reservation like many of the non-Wyndham resorts in a non-Wyndham RCI points account do. With the non-Wyndham RCI points account you can book 7-21 nights in a single reservation, if there's availability, and the exchange fee is $349 vs the $299 exchange fee when you book individual weeks. Based on the the amount of inventory in the multiple Wyndham/Worldmark listings of the 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 night stays, they certainly could at least offer stays of up to 14 nights like we can book through Wyndham.

I brought the topic of RCI up because some people have mentioned eventually doing what we do. Using our non-Wyndham RCI points account from owning points weeks at Vacation Village Grandview at Las Vegas along with what we own with Wyndham to piece together longer trips. It's been working very well for us for our longer spring and fall trips in the 7 years since DH retired.

What if you look up the specific non-Wyndham resorts I screenshotted above (Calypso Cay 3 nights with check-in on 29 Aug and Historic Powhatan 2 nights with check-in on 10 Sep) - are you saying that with your RCI points account those exchange fees are prorated?

 

[comicbookman]

I entered Fairfield/Cendant through Equivest. The original ownership was Avenue Plaza which was bought new in 1998. Fairfield/Cendant bought that around 5 years later. Older building, remodeled and still going strong. Another Equivest remodel around the same time was Riverside in San Antonio which also appears to be going strong. Equivest had 2 properties in USVI. One (Bluebeards Castle) left Wyndham years ago with lots of litigation. The second Bluebeards beach has been recently majorly updated and is ongoing as Limetree and still in Wyndham.

I guess all three have been well maintained and all have year round appeal. They are all around 25-30 years since origination.

I was thinking of the ones that didn't even make it into Fairfield like the one in Atlantic Beach whose name escapes me.

 

[rickandcindy23]

8/29 isn't there anymore for Calypso Cay, not with RCI Points but it's $139 for the exchange:

 

[RENTER]

@rickandcindy23 is evidence that Wyndham does not, even a little bit, care about losing (or abusing) owners who are engaged in a commercial renting enterprise. You sending that email may have the opposite of your intended effect.


Wyndham has, several times over the past few years, gone on campaigns to get rid of mega-renters and make their lives as difficult as possible. They have not done anything like that to resale owners. I’d guess that Wyndham values its resale owners more than those it believes are cutting into its slice of the commercial renting pie

@rickandcindy23 is evidence that Wyndham does not, even a little bit, care about losing (or abusing) owners who are engaged in a commercial renting enterprise. You sending that email may have the opposite of your intended effect.


Wyndham has, several times over the past few years, gone on campaigns to get rid of mega-renters and make their lives as difficult as possible. They have not done anything like that to resale owners. I’d guess that Wyndham values its resale owners more than those it believes are cutting into its slice of the commercial renting pie.

Yep you probably right. They will not miss the $40,000 to $60,000 per year we pay them and we will not miss paying them as we move on

 

[rickandcindy23]

I just realized there is a difference between selecting 3 nights at a resort in RCI Points as opposed to 3-night stays that are marked as 3-night stays in the listing of the resorts. Still $299 in RCI Points for those 3 nighters. Kind of disgusting, really.

 

[RENTER]

I am sure that wyndham, with an owner base of over 800,000 will be very upset that they pissed of 100 or so owners, who were gaming the system. I see them making a pilgrimage to your house to beg you not to leave in the near future.

that is the 100 I know. How many more are going to walk away?

 

[RENTER]

You and the "102" did this to yourselves. Own it. The music has stopped, you don't have a chair.

did what to myself? 15 years of free trips?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Yep you probably right. They will not miss the $40,000 to $60,000 per year we pay them and we will not miss paying them as we move on

Sounds like a mutually beneficial breakup!

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

that is the 100 I know. How many more are going to walk away?

You’re asking how many owners, who own at both a resort that is closing, and at resort(s) that are not closing, are both:

1. Not going to accept the free CWA swap that Wyndham is going to offer them; and
2. Then are going to “walk away” and default on their maintenance fees at their remaining ownership?

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that number is quite small.

 

[RENTER]

Are you just talking about maintenance fee payments or loans that they’d be defaulting on? Because…

…resale owners are probably the most reliable category of owners when it comes to making maintenance payments, and they’ll never default on a loan from Wyndham. (There’s no such thing as a “VIP payment.”)

mainly maintenance fees. No VIP payment? That is nit picking over wording. VIP owners pay more in maintenance fees because they own more points

 

[RENTER]

Sounds like a mutually beneficial breakup!

yep

 

[RENTER]

You’re asking how many owners, who own at both a resort that is closing, and at resort(s) that are not closing, are both:

1. Not going to accept the free CWA swap that Wyndham is going to offer them; and
2. Then are going to “walk away” and default on their maintenance fees at their remaining ownership?

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that number is quite small.

more then you think because people from the north do not want to travel to the West or South. Which is why they bought Wyndham because they had resorts within driving distance. Off course they can use RCI. But not too many happy with RCI

 

[RENTER]

Don’t wait! Hit the send key now before it’s too late! Oh, and cancel your TUG membership too since we’re all a bunch of idiotic old rubes who are so easily manipulated by Wyndham. What? You’re not a member? You won’t even pay the $15/year to actually join TUG? You’re a freeloader here too?

Damn, man, your rantings are just the tears of a !

I never even thought about it because I have no need for the timeshare services and it was not required when I signed to post

 

[paxsarah]

mainly maintenance fees. No VIP payment? That is nit picking over wording. VIP owners pay more in maintenance fees because they own more points

Resale owners can literally own any number of points. VIP owners own more points than a non-VIP retail owner, but a non-VIP resale owner can own exactly the same number of points as any VIP.

 

[paxsarah]

8/29 isn't there anymore for Calypso Cay, not with RCI Points but it's $139 for the exchange:

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Yes, note that the 3-night Calypso Cay is a completely different resort number than you’re showing.

Those prepackaged non-7-night listings are listed as completely different resort numbers. What do you see if you search resort #F381?

 

[Jan M.]

What if you look up the specific non-Wyndham resorts I screenshotted above (Calypso Cay 3 nights with check-in on 29 Aug and Historic Powhatan 2 nights with check-in on 10 Sep) - are you saying that with your RCI points account those exchange fees are prorated?

Here goes.

I'll start with the Powhatan resort that's now a Hilton resort. The exchange fee for the 2 nights is $299 and 46,000 points! That's a lot of points for just two nights. Just to give a frame of reference a second tier 49,000 point one bedroom week at Vacation Village Grandview at Las Vegas has maintenance fees of $475. So that makes 46,000 points have a value of $445.91, round it up to $446 to make it easier to add everything up.

This F986 Powhatan has a $20.95 per day amenities fee and we'll call it $42 for the 2 days. It says the housekeeping fee is $100.19-$206.14. I'm guessing the lesser amount is likely a 1 bedroom unit and the larger amount a two bedroom. This reservation is for a 2 bedroom.

$446 maintenance fees on 46k points
$299 exchange fee
$206 housekeeping fee
$42 amenities fee for 2 days
$993 total cost for 2 nights

Powhatan #1045 only has full weeks. For for the week of September 6th or 7th it's 30,500 points for the full kitchen one bedroom. There's a two bedroom for September 5th or 6th for 41,500 points. The amenities fee is $25 per day.

$296 maintenance fees on 30,500 point
$402 maintenance fees on 41,500 points
$299 exchange fee
$175 amenties fee for the full week.
$770 total cost for the full week in a 1BR
$876 total cost for the full week in a 2BR

Here's where it gets really interesting those September 5, 6, and 7 weeks are available in Last Call Weeks. $319 for the 1 bedroom and $359 for the 2 bedroom plus tax, around $50, and the $175:amenities fee. $544/$584 That makes the 2 night stay an even worse deal.

I checked several other resorts in Williamsburg that offered less than 7 night stays. Three nights was the minimum number of nights on the ones I looked at but I didn't check them all to see if any gave the option for only 2 nights. The exchange fee for 3 nights was $139 and they were considerably less points than the 2 night Hilton Powhatan stay.

Calypso Cay has three different resort numbers.
CL1E - shows the option of 1-10 nights.
Exchange fees
$59 - 1 night
$79 - 2 nights
$139 - 3 nights
$209 - 4 nights
$249 - 5 nights
$269 - 6 nights

F381 - the only option is 3 nights with a $299 exchange fee
F383 - the only option is 5 nights with a $299 exchange fee

There's no housekeeping fee shown on any of the 3 resort numbers.

Club Sevilla #5169 is another Orlando resort that has less than 7 night stays with the same $59, $79, $209, $249, and $269 exchange fees. I know there are other resorts but RCI logged me out and that's my sign to go to bed.

 

[TUGBrian]

1200 posts and 50k+ views...this thing is getting a life of its own.

lets try to keep the focus on reporting info about the resorts closing...happy to segment off the other related topics in their own threads!

 

[regatta333]

I own at Star Island and Branson at the Falls. Maintenance fees for 2025 are $8.6/K and $9.9/K, respectively.

 

[RENTER]

Resale owners can literally own any number of points. VIP owners own more points than a non-VIP retail owner, but a non-VIP resale owner can own exactly the same number of points as any VIP.

yes true but once again nit picking over wording.

 

[RENTER]

I own at Star Island and Branson at the Falls. Maintenance fees for 2025 are $8.6/K and $9.9/K, respectively.

$9,000 is the average of most I know. Those in the $40,000 to $60,000 range were treating it as a second home because they lived close by and used it as weekend get aways and using the discounts to rent to cover the cost. Just like they were told to do by Wyndham's sales reps which Wyndham knew its sales reps were doing

 

[RENTER]

You and the "102" did this to yourselves. Own it. The music has stopped, you don't have a chair.

Oh and by the way how much have you paid Wyndham in the past 15 years? Me 0. My renters approx $750,000.

In addition to free trips, I gained new business. by meeting new people.

Thank you, Wyndham Sales Agents, for giving me the idea of using Airbnb.

Yeah, I did it to myself.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I own at Star Island and Branson at the Falls. Maintenance fees for 2025 are $8.6/K and $9.9/K, respectively.

Do you own UDI contracts? Converted weeks?

 

[chapjim]

more then you think because people from the north do not want to travel to the West or South. Which is why they bought Wyndham because they had resorts within driving distance. Off course they can use RCI. But not too many happy with RCI

Does the term "snowbird" mean anything to you?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Does the term "snowbird" mean anything to you?

Yes, I can assure you, as someone from “the North,” I absolutely bought my Wyndham timeshares primarily for use in the South. The ability to stay locally was a nice bonus, but immaterial in the grand scheme of things.