Resale enrollment Marriott v Vistana

[RebelR]

Hello all,

I have been reading a lot on the enrollment of resale weeks and am still a bit confused. From what I’ve read if you own two resale Westin weeks, you can enroll them for a purchase of $15k of flex options but if you own two resales with Marriott you need to buy 3000-4000 abound points which is more than 3-4x the cost of enrollment with Westin.

Is that correct? Does this discrepancy still exist and if so can I enroll my 2 Marriott weeks at a Westin property for the same $15k price? If so why would one choose to enroll with Marriott instead of Westin?

Please help lol

 

[jabberwocky]

I don’t think we have had reported success stories of anyone enrolling a Marriott week via a Vistana (Westin/Sheraton) purchase and vice-versa.

You can do a “retro” with Vistana of two existing Vistana resale weeks which will give them access to abound. I believe that if you want to bring MVC weeks in it will be a much larger purchase of points and/or other resale Marriott week.

 

[dioxide45]

I don't recall any specific instances, but I seem to recall someone maybe enrolling/retroing Vistana weeks with a Marriott purchase, but not the other way around. It never hurts to go to a timeshare presentation and ask. They can ask for a waiver on just about anything. Now, they may not get the waiver, but it never hurts to ask.

 

[RebelR]

Thanks both. My next encore is in December and both my resale weeks should be transferred to me by then so I will definitely ask. The price discrepancy to enroll/retro is just too big to justify Marriott prices in my opinion.

I will revert after if no one else does by then

 

[Red elephant]

Hello all,

I have been reading a lot on the enrollment of resale weeks and am still a bit confused. From what I’ve read if you own two resale Westin weeks, you can enroll them for a purchase of $15k of flex options but if you own two resales with Marriott you need to buy 3000-4000 abound points which is more than 3-4x the cost of enrollment with Westin.

Is that correct? Does this discrepancy still exist and if so can I enroll my 2 Marriott weeks at a Westin property for the same $15k price? If so why would one choose to enroll with Marriott instead of Westin?

Please help lol

I was told at Westin Lagunamar that in order for Vistana to enroll a Marriott the cost is more than the 15K something like 40K.
So the cheapest way to enroll a Marriott that I have seen is with a Spain purchase .

 

[daviator]

The $10K+ to qualify a resale purchase on the Vistana side is essentially a remnant of the old, pre-acquisition, Vistana. That was their policy before being bought by MVC, and for whatever reason, MVC has stuck with it on the Vistana side. I keep expecting them to unify the requal policies across MVC and Vistana but so far they haven't.

I am less knowledgable about the history on the MVC side, but my recollection is that they didn't use to allow requalifications of resale purchases at all. After buying Vistana they started offering it on the MVC side but at a much higher buy-in cost. Maybe somebody can confirm whether my memory is correct or completely off base.

 

[ljmiii]

I can tell you that at the Westin St John they were unable (or unwilling) to enroll my resale MVC week even with a $40-50K+ purchase. But did offer to retro my Vistana resale for $15K.

 

[daviator]

I can tell you that at the Westin St John they were unable (or unwilling) to enroll my resale MVC week even with a $40-50K+ purchase. But did offer to retro my Vistana resale for $15K.

I don't think the Vistana locations can enroll MVC weeks (and vice versa?) though maybe there are exceptions. You definitely can't enroll an MVC VOI with a Vistana purchase. I'm not 100% sure whether you could do so with a big Abound Points purchase at a Vistana property.

But I tend to think that all of these sales policies might be waived if they are sufficiently eager to make the sale. It would be worth asking if you were trying to get something enrolled. The worst they can do is say no.

 

[dioxide45]

The $10K+ to qualify a resale purchase on the Vistana side is essentially a remnant of the old, pre-acquisition, Vistana. That was their policy before being bought by MVC, and for whatever reason, MVC has stuck with it on the Vistana side. I keep expecting them to unify the requal policies across MVC and Vistana but so far they haven't.

I am less knowledgable about the history on the MVC side, but my recollection is that they didn't use to allow requalifications of resale purchases at all. After buying Vistana they started offering it on the MVC side but at a much higher buy-in cost. Maybe somebody can confirm whether my memory is correct or completely off base.

For some reason I recall the "summer promotion" to enroll post June 2010 resale weeks predates the Vistana acquisition. For some reason I thought this came about in 2013 or so. Though I would have to see if I could find those old threads in the Marriott forum to verify it. And that isn't an easy task.

 

[daviator]

For some reason I recall the "summer promotion" to enroll post June 2010 resale weeks predates the Vistana acquisition. For some reason I thought this came about in 2013 or so. Though I would have to see if I could find those old threads in the Marriott forum to verify it. And that isn't an easy task.

You might well be right. At the time of the acquisition I only owned Vistana and so I paid less attention to the MVC side of things. Other family members owned MVC so I was MVC-adjacent, lol... so I vaguely remember that they started allowing some limited enrollment of resale weeks, around the time of the acquisition, but it may not have been connected or concurrent.

 

[dioxide45]

You might well be right. At the time of the acquisition I only owned Vistana and so I paid less attention to the MVC side of things. Other family members owned MVC so I was MVC-adjacent, lol... so I vaguely remember that they started allowing some limited enrollment of resale weeks, around the time of the acquisition, but it may not have been connected or concurrent.

It looks like the earliest thread I can find right now was from 2015. This might be the first indication of such a "promo" and it might have rolled out earlier the next year (2016).

Ongoing Sales Incentive - Enrolling Post-6/20/10 Weeks [MERGED]

All, I have reason to suspect that Marriott will soon announce a program whereby owners of weeks purchased after June 2010 will have the opportunity to enroll their weeks if the owner purchases Trust Points directly from Marriott. This sounds like a version of the hybrid purchase, except that...

tugbbs.com

 

[Dean]

I reached out to my contact. He said he can enroll the appropriate non MVC weeks for a 1000 points if they meet 2 criteria. They must have been bought before 2022 and from an authorized reseller. He wasn't sure if it was possible if those 2 criteria weren't met but would be happy to make contact with corporate if needed. We didn't discuss who the authorized resellers were.

 

[RebelR]

Very interesting. Unfortunately for me I only purchased my weeks this year on ebay so I don’t think I would qualify. I might just have to wait it out a bit

 

[dioxide45]

I reached out to my contact. He said he can enroll the appropriate non MVC weeks for a 1000 points if they meet 2 criteria. They must have been bought before 2022 and from an authorized reseller. He wasn't sure if it was possible if those 2 criteria weren't met but would be happy to make contact with corporate if needed. We didn't discuss who the authorized resellers were.

But anyone who purchased prior to 2022 and were in VSN are already enrolled. The only ones that wouldn't be would be voluntary VOIs and I have no idea who an authorized reseller would be. Like Marriott, one might not even exist.

I understand the OP is looking to enroll MVC weeks with the purchase of Vistana. I don't think your scenario even covers that.

 

[RebelR]

I understand from the prior responses I can’t enroll Marriott weeks with Vistana, I am just trying to understand the large price discrepancy for enrollment between the two programs and what my options are so that when I go to my encore in December I can be better informed. Dean’s response gives me some hope that maybe in the future Marriott may relax their requirements

 

[dioxide45]

I understand from the prior responses I can’t enroll Marriott weeks with Vistana, I am just trying to understand the large price discrepancy for enrollment between the two programs and what my options are so that when I go to my encore in December I can be better informed. Dean’s response gives me some hope that maybe in the future Marriott may relax their requirements

As @daviator mentioned, the $10K/$5K retro goes back to the old Vistana days. Marriott Vacations has just not done away with it. If they instantly put in a huge $35K commitment it might put a big dent in sales to existing owners and it would remove a good carrot on the stick they have to make a sale. That said, I'm not sure why they don't drop the requirements for MVC enrollment. It has actually gotten more expensive over the years with the number of points required actually going up.

I understand that most Vistana sales offices now sell Abound trust points to new buyers and only really offer the Flex programs and Vistana deeded weeks to existing Vistana owners. I am sure they will make exceptions as necessary and they do still sell Sheraton Flex to new buyers at a few sales offices. Perhaps the movement to only selling Abound trust points is why they haven't relaxed the requirements to enroll MVC weeks.

 

[RebelR]

But there has to be a breaking point where they need weeks owners to elect points especially as those who owned pre-2010 weeks and could enroll for free get older and sell their weeks that as post-2010 resales are currently price prohibitive to enroll I would imagine?

 

[Dean]

But there has to be a breaking point where they need weeks owners to elect points especially as those who owned pre-2010 weeks and could enroll for free get older and sell their weeks that as post-2010 resales are currently price prohibitive to enroll I would imagine?

Actually I don't think there is. The thing about the current system is that MVC doesn't much care what weeks they have as long as they can sell ongoing. If the weeks in the system are heavily weighted to the off season and lower demand resorts, MVC doesn't really care unless it affects sales. And the majority of buyers aren't even going to be aware if's a potential issue until it's too late, if ever.

But anyone who purchased prior to 2022 and were in VSN are already enrolled. The only ones that wouldn't be would be voluntary VOIs and I have no idea who an authorized reseller would be. Like Marriott, one might not even exist.

I understand the OP is looking to enroll MVC weeks with the purchase of Vistana. I don't think your scenario even covers that.

Agreed but it's been asked both ways. It was one piece of information. One would have to ask on the Westin/Vistana side for enrolling MVC with a purchase there.

 

[RebelR]

Actually I don't think there is. The thing about the current system is that MVC doesn't much care what weeks they have as long as they can sell ongoing. If the weeks in the system are heavily weighted to the off season and lower demand resorts, MVC doesn't really care unless it affects sales. And the majority of buyers aren't even going to be aware if's a potential issue until it's too late, if ever.


Agreed but it's been asked both ways. It was one piece of information. One would have to ask on the Westin/Vistana side for enrolling MVC with a purchase there.

Interesting, maybe I’ll just stick with my weeks then. Thank you for all the information

 

[Dean]

Interesting, maybe I’ll just stick with my weeks then. Thank you for all the information

You can always revisit later and if you decide you need to look at points, you can always rent them since you have an enrolled week.

 

[frank808]

Hello all,

I have been reading a lot on the enrollment of resale weeks and am still a bit confused. From what I’ve read if you own two resale Westin weeks, you can enroll them for a purchase of $15k of flex options but if you own two resales with Marriott you need to buy 3000-4000 abound points which is more than 3-4x the cost of enrollment with Westin.

Is that correct? Does this discrepancy still exist and if so can I enroll my 2 Marriott weeks at a Westin property for the same $15k price? If so why would one choose to enroll with Marriott instead of Westin?

Please help lol

Not possible I was told at Westin Nanea and Weatin Kaanapali. It is cheaper if I could retro my resale MVC weeks through a purchase of Westin Flex or deeded weeks.

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[RebelR]

One more question, if hypothetically I were able to get my two weeks worth 6000 points enrolled with a purchase of 1000 points would that count as if I had 7000 points for executive status or would only the 1000 points be considered for the status determination?

 

[dioxide45]

One more question, if hypothetically I were able to get my two weeks worth 6000 points enrolled with a purchase of 1000 points would that count as if I had 7000 points for executive status or would only the 1000 points be considered for the status determination?

7,000 points. Once enrolled the points count toward Owner Benefit Levels. The question is, will they enroll one week for only 1,000 point purchase? I thought the minimum was much higher?

 

[RebelR]

So then just the 1000 points count towards status if you’re saying I would only be owner level as if it were 7000 that would be executive?

 

[dioxide45]

So then just the 1000 points count towards status if you’re saying I would only be owner level as if it were 7000 that would be executive?

No, it would be Executive. "Owner Benefit Levels" is the term used to describe Owner, Select, Executive, Presidential and Chairman's Club.