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New Membership Category above Chairman [MERGED]

If they accompanied a 14 month booking window with increased availability at the resorts that aren't in the trust (and ideally overriding the Vistana docs that prohibit reservations before 12 months at resorts like Los Cabos and the WSJ) I would buy up into a higher tier tomorrow. Resale of course...but MVC would still get their $3/point.
I don’t think they could override the Vistana limit of 12 month booking. It’s literally in the underlying deed restrictions for those properties.
 
I was surprised how much I've enjoyed that my Hyatt unit which is my owned fixed week is ready quite a bit earlier than other units which include internal trades. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or if HVC prioritizes cleaning of fixed deeded owner occupied units on the busy Saturday turnover day. But yes, I'd shell out more to know that this would happen regularly. Late checkout is not as exciting for me. I'm ready to go by then and usually leave earlier than 10, unless I'm in Hawaii with a late flight, then I add an extra day so I'm not homeless for an afternoon.
This doesn't cost Hyatt anything, I'd think Marriott may be thinking of this.
 
I don’t think they could override the Vistana limit of 12 month booking. It’s literally in the underlying deed restrictions for those properties.
Fixed week, fixed unit ownerships are typically booked at 18 months. That would include a number of weeks that are developer owned at WSJ. There are without a doubt exceptions that make loopholes they could take advantage of.

they are adding 3rd Home
They just added ThirdHome to Hyatt and it already exists for Ritz-Carlton Destination Club. There are also a fair number of people owning Marriott weeks that have established their own independent accounts with ThirdHome to exchange their usage rights to the weeks. This doesn't seem insurmountable for them to set up an affiliation agreement, though I'm not sure how it would work out for points owners. Frankly, I use less expensive TSs to exchange with them; I don't get enough ThirdHome keys for my MF $ to use my Vistana or MVC ownerships there. Might be worth it if they negotiate some decent benefits, though.

One other rumor I heard last year was giving Ambassador status instead of Titanium. The differential benefit cost for Bonvoy status doesn't seem like it should amount to much, but I have no insight into what the status would actually cost to license.
 
One other rumor I heard last year was giving Ambassador status instead of Titanium. The differential benefit cost for Bonvoy status doesn't seem like it should amount to much, but I have no insight into what the status would actually cost to license.
I don’t think Bonvoy would license Ambassador status this way and give up the $23k spend requirement. The 100 nights is pretty easy to meet if you have a credit card, pick up stays during a 2-1 elite night bonus promotion or have a bunch of timeshare stays.

There are only two published benefits that Ambassador provides over Titanium - the 24/7 concierge-style service and the Your24. Both of these are relatively expensive, since you do need staff to be available to take calls and provide the service levels expected with the Ambassador service. Your24 effectively can make a property lose an extra nights revenue by allowing variable check in times.

Personally I would love the Your24 as I often have flights that arrive quite late and I end up paying for a full day at the beginning of a trip. Your24 would effectively allow me to pay for 3 nights on some of the trips where I’ve been booking four nights. The 4 pm checkout is helpful for late flights out, but not always available or useful.
 
Fixed week, fixed unit ownerships are typically booked at 18 months. That would include a number of weeks that are developer owned at WSJ. There are without a doubt exceptions that make loopholes they could take advantage of.
Yeah, it would seem with some resorts, even Sheraton Broadway which can reserve at 24 months they could get inventory in earlier. Perhaps something to do with VSN affiliation with Abound causes the restriction? Does the VGV at WSJ have 18 month booking?
 
Yeah, it would seem with some resorts, even Sheraton Broadway which can reserve at 24 months they could get inventory in earlier. Perhaps something to do with VSN affiliation with Abound causes the restriction? Does the VGV at WSJ have 18 month booking?
VGV at WSJ has the 18-month booking for home weeks. Owners are supposed to be able to shift their home weeks to others in the season, subject to availability, from 8 to 10 months but MVC has pretty much broken that in the IT implementation and the poor training of phone representatives.

In the other phases, the 18-month booking occurs for ownerships with deeded fixed weeks.
 
I don’t think Bonvoy would license Ambassador status this way and give up the $23k spend requirement. The 100 nights is pretty easy to meet if you have a credit card, pick up stays during a 2-1 elite night bonus promotion or have a bunch of timeshare stays.

There are only two published benefits that Ambassador provides over Titanium - the 24/7 concierge-style service and the Your24. Both of these are relatively expensive, since you do need staff to be available to take calls and provide the service levels expected with the Ambassador service. Your24 effectively can make a property lose an extra nights revenue by allowing variable check in times.

Personally I would love the Your24 as I often have flights that arrive quite late and I end up paying for a full day at the beginning of a trip. Your24 would effectively allow me to pay for 3 nights on some of the trips where I’ve been booking four nights. The 4 pm checkout is helpful for late flights out, but not always available or useful.
The benefits you receive from Abound Titanium are not always the same as Bonvoy.
 
The benefits you receive from Abound Titanium are not always the same as Bonvoy.
Not really sure what you mean by this. As someone with an owner benefit level of Chairman's Club in Abound, I get Titanium status in Bonvoy. I also get 75+ nights a year from credit cards and stays in hotels and MVC/Vistana TSs, but Titanium is Titanium. There are without a doubt other bits of information they have about me in their customer relations software; after all, all Titanium members are equal but some are more equal than others based on the scuttlebutt in the loyalty program media. That is to say, having Bonvoy Titanium status merely as a result of Abound ownership might not be enough to rank me higher on the list of Bonvoy Titanium members eligible to get an upgrade when they are deciding who gets it, but I was still eligible under the Bonvoy terms and conditions.
 
The benefits you receive from Abound Titanium are not always the same as Bonvoy.
There is no such thing as Abound Titanium. You have Abound Presidential and Chairman's Club which gets you Titanium status in Bonvoy.
 
There is no such thing as Abound Titanium. You have Abound Presidential and Chairman's Club which gets you Titanium status in Bonvoy.
Sorry to disagree. The hotels know and on many occasions I am treated differently. Especially if you are a life timer!
 
Sorry to disagree. The hotels know and on many occasions I am treated differently. Especially if you are a life timer!
This is a distinction I've wondered about.

So are you saying that people who reach Titanium thru their employer's dime get better treatment than those of us who've spent our own hard earned money to reach Presidential/Chairman's club level?

How do the hotel properties "see" this?

And why does it impact a hotels decision to dismiss a Presidential/Chairman level Titanium in favor of a corporate Titanium? (I am truly curious!)
 
This is a distinction I've wondered about.

So are you saying that people who reach Titanium thru their employer's dime get better treatment than those of us who've spent our own hard earned money to reach Presidential/Chairman's club level?

How do the hotel properties "see" this?

And why does it impact a hotels decision to dismiss a Presidential/Chairman level Titanium in favor of a corporate Titanium? (I am truly curious!)
Some have suggested that hotels can see your Marriott spend for the year in addition to your status, and that they prioritize upgrades, etc. based on annual spend and not just status. But I don't know if that's true. Certainly it's true that Marriott does TRACK annual spend (as part of Ambassador qualification) and you earn Bonvoy points based on your "spend" on each stay. I think it would not be a good idea for them to let hotels know your total spend for the year, but that doesn't mean they don't do it.

Of course, what you spend on maintenance fees with MVC isn't considered "Marriott spend" and wouldn't impact anything on the hotel side.
 
Sorry to disagree. The hotels know and on many occasions I am treated differently. Especially if you are a life timer!
How do you know you are treated differently? It is possible that properties can see your spend in addition to your status, and as a timeshare owner your spend with Marriott (the hotel company) isn't all that high. It is also possible that someone who is lifetime is treated differently than someone who gets to the status based on nights each year, but any such reports are going to be anecdotal.
 
Sorry to disagree. The hotels know and on many occasions I am treated differently. Especially if you are a life timer!
The hotels could care less if you're a MVC member. Remember that MVC is no longer integrally connected to Marriott International. I wouldn't be surprised if the status option were to evaporate completely at some point. I wonder when the current agreement expires.
 
I can’t imagine them giving owners MORE tier benefits, especially with the activist investor looking for shareholder value. That is, unless they devalue each tier level and slide everything up and the new tier is basically the current Chairman's Club. They actually took away benefits from the former VSN 5* Elite like EOY SO Banking and late check in/out when they mapped it into Chairman’s Club.
 
Some have suggested that hotels can see your Marriott spend for the year in addition to your status, and that they prioritize upgrades, etc. based on annual spend and not just status. But I don't know if that's true. Certainly it's true that Marriott does TRACK annual spend (as part of Ambassador qualification) and you earn Bonvoy points based on your "spend" on each stay. I think it would not be a good idea for them to let hotels know your total spend for the year, but that doesn't mean they don't do it.

Of course, what you spend on maintenance fees with MVC isn't considered "Marriott spend" and wouldn't impact anything on the hotel side.
Why would a hotel care how much you spend with Marriott?
Marriott only owns a few hotels so why would a hotel owner care if you are spending lots of money at other hotels in the chain and not his?
 
I can’t imagine them giving owners MORE tier benefits, especially with the activist investor looking for shareholder value. That is, unless they devalue each tier level and slide everything up and the new tier is basically the current Chairman's Club. They actually took away benefits from the former VSN 5* Elite like EOY SO Banking and late check in/out when they mapped it into Chairman’s Club.
I think the reality is, there are no plans at this time for another tier. There’s not much they can do that will add significant value for the cost except for the status of being recognized as a big spender. For some that’s enough of a reason to make another purchase.

I really think it’s just another step on the FEAR sales ladder to get people to buy up to 20,000 points. FEAR meaning False Evidence Appearing Real. Another ownership tier just isn’t on the agenda right now, even though sales staff wants you to believe it is.
 
I posted this on the Vistana forum from my Westin Lagunamar update.
Next year chairman benefit status will change and will include 5 star elite benefits that were lost ie: late check out and early check in.

Those were pretty meaningless because they were always “subject to availability” and any front desk agent could just say no.

The “big” benefit that was lost was the December 31 banking deadline. Any mention of that?


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I think the reality is, there are no plans at this time for another tier. There’s not much they can do that will add significant value for the cost except for the status of being recognized as a big spender. For some that’s enough of a reason to make another purchase.

I really think it’s just another step on the FEAR sales ladder to get people to buy up to 20,000 points. FEAR meaning False Evidence Appearing Real. Another ownership tier just isn’t on the agenda right now, even though sales staff wants you to believe it is.
I would agree. We’re not in a trend of adding value but rather taking it away to reduce cost. We’re seeing it with housekeeping, towel changes, reduction of elite tier benefits.
 
The thing I value most is time—especially with plenty of points to burn. I hate logging in and checking for availability. If they would add an actually functional waitlist, or even the ability to receive an alert when new inventory becomes available at resorts and on dates you select, I’d probably be a sucker for it.
 
Those were pretty meaningless because they were always “subject to availability” and any front desk agent could just say no.

The “big” benefit that was lost was the December 31 banking deadline. Any mention of that?


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No the banking deadline will stay the same. I always got late check out. Early check in was variable but never after 3 pm.
 
Sorry to disagree. The hotels know and on many occasions I am treated differently. Especially if you are a life timer!

We have zero status and get treated far superior to other guests.
 
We have zero status and get treated far superior to other guests.
You mean being cordial is a better approach than “Do you know who I am?” Interesting!! 🤔
 
The thing I value most is time—especially with plenty of points to burn. I hate logging in and checking for availability. If they would add an actually functional waitlist…
I’ve found the existing waitlist system quite functional and have successfully used it to secure ‘hard to get’ reservations in Hawaii and the Caribbean. What new functionality are you looking for?
 
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