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There is another thread in this forum entitled "Anyone notice a slowdown in travel?" But less people at or going to your travel destination(s) is only one piece of the overall travel puzzle. Another is the overall level of services at such destination.

As a simple analogy, let's say you have a neighborhood swimming pool that opens in the summer which has traditionally had, during that season, four employees. Let's say that there are two lifeguards at either ends of the pool, a maintenance/cleaning person, and a front desk/checking everyone's pass/answering telephones/ doing whatever person. But since four people may be deemed "waste", some "higher up" may choose to cut three of them such that one can and of course should do all of the above.

You may have regarded that pool as a Godsend during the summer as it would allow kids to burn off their energy in healthful physical activity as well as to socialize with a good number of kids their own age. But, after the three excess employees were terminated, you may not want your kids to go near the place. Risk of drowning, higher. Risk of bullying, higher. Risk of filth, higher. Risk of injury, higher.

So, too, may vacation destinations become less desirable if a lesser level of overall services become available to travelers. And I think it would be a good idea that we inform each other of such situations.

For example, Cape Cod hasn't really begun its summer hiring, but there are already signs that summer staffing may be cut down at the National Seashore. If that does indeed occur, there may be less lifeguards, shuttered environmental displays, less nature walks, less seaside lectures, less sand maintenance, etc.

 
At least as it comes to our timeshares i don’t expect much change. The big developers are happy to spend the owners money on lots of staff.
 
I believe that some locations, like Hawaii, are having trouble finding enough people to hire.
 
There was a major shortage of lifeguards last summer.
 
I am seeing reduced hours and reduced days at many restaurants, both at home and when I travel for business and leisure. Anytime I inquire, the answer is the same: shortage of staff. For many restaurants is not enough people to cook.
 
There are always a shortage of housekeepers, restaurants workers and shipyard workers in Coastal Virginia during the summer months. IMHO.

I’m seeing also, two (2) signs in almost every store in Coast Virginia; shortage of workers and help wanted signs.

So why are peoples begging for money on street corners?
 
There are always a shortage of housekeepers, restaurants workers and shipyard workers in Coastal Virginia during the summer months. IMHO.

I’m seeing also, two (2) signs in almost every store in Coast Virginia; shortage of workers and help wanted signs.

So why are peoples begging for money on street corners?

I asked Claude to review and comment on this post, and it replied:

I'll review and comment on this social media post about labor shortages and panhandling in Coastal Virginia.

The post makes several observations about the labor market in Coastal Virginia:

1. There's a seasonal shortage of workers in specific industries (housekeeping, restaurants, shipyards) during summer months
2. Many stores have "help wanted" signs displayed
3. Despite these job openings, people are still panhandling on street corners

The post appears to imply a contradiction: if jobs are available, why are people begging instead of working?

This is a complex socioeconomic question that overlooks several important factors:

1. Not everyone panhandling is able to work traditional jobs due to various barriers:
- Physical or mental health limitations
- Lack of stable housing (difficult to maintain employment without an address, shower facilities, etc.)
- Transportation challenges (especially in areas with limited public transit)
- Criminal records that make finding employment difficult

2. Some jobs may not provide:
- Sufficient wages to meet basic needs
- Consistent scheduling or enough hours
- Benefits like healthcare
- Accommodations for disabilities

3. There may be mismatches between:
- Skills needed and skills available
- Location of jobs versus where people live/can access
- Immediate cash needs versus waiting for paychecks

The post presents an oversimplified view of a complex issue. Labor shortages and homelessness/panhandling often coexist for these structural reasons rather than simply because people are choosing not to work when jobs are available.
 
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You both can be right at the same time
Just my two cents
 
I asked Claude to review and comment on this post, and it replied:

I'll review and comment on this social media post about labor shortages and panhandling in Coastal Virginia.

The post makes several observations about the labor market in Coastal Virginia:

1. There's a seasonal shortage of workers in specific industries (housekeeping, restaurants, shipyards) during summer months
2. Many stores have "help wanted" signs displayed
3. Despite these job openings, people are still panhandling on street corners

The post appears to imply a contradiction: if jobs are available, why are people begging instead of working?

This is a complex socioeconomic question that overlooks several important factors:

1. Not everyone panhandling is able to work traditional jobs due to various barriers:
- Physical or mental health limitations
- Lack of stable housing (difficult to maintain employment without an address, shower facilities, etc.)
- Transportation challenges (especially in areas with limited public transit)
- Criminal records that make finding employment difficult

2. Some jobs may not provide:
- Sufficient wages to meet basic needs
- Consistent scheduling or enough hours
- Benefits like healthcare
- Accommodations for disabilities

3. There may be mismatches between:
- Skills needed and skills available
- Location of jobs versus where people live/can access
- Immediate cash needs versus waiting for paychecks

The post presents an oversimplified view of a complex issue. Labor shortages and homelessness/panhandling often coexist for these structural reasons rather than simply because people are choosing not to work when jobs are available.
I don't know who Claude is but he's one smart dude. :)

Certainly when you're talking about a place like Key West, housing and transportation challenges have for many years adversely impacted a business owners' ability to find relatively lower cost workers. As housing costs continue to climb, and as public housing options continue to be sparse, it doesn't appear that there's anything on the horizon that will solve that problem.

I've read that there's at least "talk" in Hawaii about restricting "short term rentals" which will allegedly provide more and therefore lower cost rentals for year round residents. But Key West already strictly controls/prohibits short term rental housing so there's nothing to change that will allegedly bring about a surge in available year round apartments.

So those kinds of long term systemic issues will for the foreseeable future continue to affect travelers.

But there' are some new factors that may affect travelers when they hadn't been affected before.

One might be layoffs and/or non-seasonal-hiring of federal government workers where such federal government workers may have previously provided ample services to travelers, as per the example of the first post in this thread.

The second might be businesses not hiring any worker who cannot provide documentation that they're legally in the country. Employers might not have looked too closely before, but they're looking now. Not making sure may result in significant (with a capital "S") fines as the following Colorado cleaning firms found out:


Will resorts and resort areas be impacted by the foregoing? We shall see.
 
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There are always a shortage of housekeepers, restaurants workers and shipyard workers in Coastal Virginia during the summer months. IMHO.

I’m seeing also, two (2) signs in almost every store in Coast Virginia; shortage of workers and help wanted signs.

So why are peoples begging for money on street corners?
Many of the panhandlers are drug addicts trying to collect enough money to finance their next purchase of drugs. The type that will react in extreme violence when a fireman or concerned citizen has the audacity to interrupt their blissful drugged state with Narcan as they're sprawled out in the middle of the sidewalk (or street) appearing to be dead. Firemen and emergency medical technicians have been trained to restrain all those upon whom they will be administering Narcan. The fine ladies of various church groups have found out the hard way after administering Narcan without first restraining the recipient.

Badly rotted teeth from the drugs. Homeless and haven't taken a shower in weeks/months. Will steal whatever's in the cash register and disappear. NOT employable!
 
Many of the panhandlers are drug addicts trying to collect enough money to finance their next purchase of drugs. The type that will react in extreme violence when a fireman or concerned citizen has the audacity to interrupt their blissful drugged state with Narcan as they're sprawled out in the middle of the sidewalk (or street) appearing to be dead. Firemen and emergency medical technicians have been trained to restrain all those upon whom they will be administering Narcan. The fine ladies of various church groups have found out the hard way after administering Narcan without first restraining the recipient.

Badly rotted teeth from the drugs. Homeless and haven't taken a shower in weeks/months. Will steal whatever's in the cash register and disappear. NOT employable!

And there for the grace of god go I.

It is only for the mere circumstance of luck that many of us find ourselves not in this situation, or our children. That being the socioeconomic circumstances we are born into or the luck of not being inflicted with a serious health issue.
 
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I don't know who Claude is but he's one smart dude.
In the supposed AI age, Claude is just another garbage AI. I know Claude better as my grandpa, RIP grandpa.
 
And there for the grace of god go I.

It is only for the mere circumstance of luck that many of us find ourselves not in this situation, or our children. That being the circumstance of the socioeconomic circumstances we are born into or the luck of not being inflicted with a serious health issue.
I agree 100%. And some may have become hard core drug addicts due to past physical injury that resulted in being dispensed ample prescriptions of more and more powerful drugs thereby causing addiction. Not everybody came to drug addiction that way, but some did.

But it appears that treatment programs are being de-emphasized. Indeed, the government is weighing stopping the funding of Naloxone (aka Narcan).

An article from Washington state:


So Pedro may in the future be noticing the same multiple help wanted signs, but fewer panhandlers.
 
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Claude is also one of the higher / mid tier frontier models. I personally tend to prefer that model to many others, but I find it's cost higher now than the benefit it provides (me) over cheaper ones like Qwen and Gemini. Like everything else in the world, the "popular" or at least the "well known" OpenAI / ChatGPT ones aren't that good IMO or the good ones make Claude look cheap lol.

It depends on what you want, but I find via Kagi that Qwen and Gemini often replace or massively augment search for me - let them do the searching and skimming and ad skipping for me and give me some sources to check out if they sound promising from the summary.
 
Claude is also one of the higher / mid tier frontier models. I personally tend to prefer that model to many others, but I find it's cost higher now than the benefit it provides (me) over cheaper ones like Qwen and Gemini. Like everything else in the world, the "popular" or at least the "well known" OpenAI / ChatGPT ones aren't that good IMO or the good ones make Claude look cheap lol.

It depends on what you want, but I find via Kagi that Qwen and Gemini often replace or massively augment search for me - let them do the searching and skimming and ad skipping for me and give me some sources to check out if they sound promising from the summary.
We are officially off-topic now, but Claude and any one of the many AI tools do not cover all the features or quality we desire. Perhaps we should start a new thread to discuss this?
 
I am seeing reduced hours and reduced days at many restaurants, both at home and when I travel for business and leisure. Anytime I inquire, the answer is the same: shortage of staff. For many restaurants is not enough people to cook.
The problem, IMHO, is that at least until a bunch of ex government employees get desperate enough to do food service (and given the low unemployment rate, and supposed difficulty finding white collar workers too, I tend to think that might still be a while) - there aren't really a pool of "reasonable to hire" people floating around. At least by the somewhat restrictive employer criteria.

What I mean is - they don't want to run only when ~15 hr a week high school students could work or 20hr a week college students have availability (idk, 4-9pm or so?) OR they by law have to have people over 21 or need /want more experience or supposed reliability or adult judgement. This also means they're probably writing off ex-cons, and the mass of always unemployed (because there's some reason they couldn't hold down a job). So now they're competing with other employers. But they don't want to pay to win the "bidding war" among potential employees they'd consider hiring.

Now this seems obvious to me - the problem is there's whole classes of restaurants that just don't work with the new labor and inflation realities. What I mean is bad chain food isn't worth it to people at the current prices, forget about higher ones to bid high enough on pay to get employees from other businesses.

And I think we're seeing it through the fast casual places withering away - their food isn't good enough, the service isn't good enough, the buildings aren't good enough for the prices they have to (want to?) charge. I think the half fast food / half sit down (where they give you a number to bring out the food after you order) is where decent food at prices people are willing to pay is - but the ambiance isn't restaurant, it's fast food. Their prices are barely above Wendy's etc. The other places I see doing well are buffets of various kinds(Golden Corral, Chinese buffet) , and then "easy to mass product decent" like Brazilian Steakhouses, or Cracker Barrel. Again, not "traditional sit down restaurants".
 
I believe that some locations, like Hawaii, are having trouble finding enough people to hire.
In the Northeast, including the timeshares, there’s a major shortage of workers for everything,
 
There are always a shortage of housekeepers, restaurants workers and shipyard workers in Coastal Virginia during the summer months. IMHO.

I’m seeing also, two (2) signs in almost every store in Coast Virginia; shortage of workers and help wanted signs.

So why are peoples begging for money on street corners?
Most employers require a pee test.
 
For th
And I think we're seeing it through the fast casual places withering away - their food isn't good enough, the service isn't good enough, the buildings aren't good enough for the prices they have to (want to?) charge. I think the half fast food / half sit down (where they give you a number to bring out the food after you order) is where decent food at prices people are willing to pay is - but the ambiance isn't restaurant, it's fast food. Their prices are barely above Wendy's etc. The other places I see doing well are buffets of various kinds(Golden Corral, Chinese buffet) , and then "easy to mass product decent" like Brazilian Steakhouses, or Cracker Barrel. Again, not "traditional sit down restaurants".
Perhaps I don't know the difference between casual, fast casual and quick service. I consider the half fast food / half sit down is considered quick service. Though I don't know many that bring the food to your table. That is a McDonalds thing. I am thinking like Chipotle, Five Guys, Blaze kinda places as quick service. I think they can also be referred to as fast casual.

Quick service or fast casual, whatever they call them, I'd say their prices aren't much more than fast food. In fact the lower end casual like Chili's, Red Robin and Applebees are not much more, or even cheaper, than fast food. At least when you are comparing similar meals like a hamburger to a hamburger. I can't believe how much a taco meal costs these days in a sit down restaurant.
 
There are many political reasons why the lower end labor market is going to get harder to find workers. Many of the workers in the service industry may be here on TPS or other status with a work permit that will expire before the political landscape changes.

When we checked in last week at Mandalay Bay, I could not easily find a bellman to assist with luggage. Not one right outside the front door of the building. I had to go hunt someone down. I don't know what that was all about.
 
There is another thread in this forum entitled "Anyone notice a slowdown in travel?" But less people at or going to your travel destination(s) is only one piece of the overall travel puzzle. Another is the overall level of services at such destination.

As a simple analogy, let's say you have a neighborhood swimming pool that opens in the summer which has traditionally had, during that season, four employees. Let's say that there are two lifeguards at either ends of the pool, a maintenance/cleaning person, and a front desk/checking everyone's pass/answering telephones/ doing whatever person. But since four people may be deemed "waste", some "higher up" may choose to cut three of them such that one can and of course should do all of the above.

You may have regarded that pool as a Godsend during the summer as it would allow kids to burn off their energy in healthful physical activity as well as to socialize with a good number of kids their own age. But, after the three excess employees were terminated, you may not want your kids to go near the place. Risk of drowning, higher. Risk of bullying, higher. Risk of filth, higher. Risk of injury, higher.

So, too, may vacation destinations become less desirable if a lesser level of overall services become available to travelers. And I think it would be a good idea that we inform each other of such situations.

For example, Cape Cod hasn't really begun its summer hiring, but there are already signs that summer staffing may be cut down at the National Seashore. If that does indeed occur, there may be less lifeguards, shuttered environmental displays, less nature walks, less seaside lectures, less sand maintenance, etc.


I whined about the same things in a post about New Orleans in the Central USA Timesharing forum. The date of the post is November 30, 2022.

Also, I used to be Operations Director and later President of a neighborhood pool. We hired only lifeguards through a private company. When they were not in the chair, they were at the front desk, checking on cleanliness and supplies in the restrooms/showers, doing walkabouts for trash, etc. The company was responsible for pool water quality, maintenance of pumps and filters, etc.
 
Perhaps I don't know the difference between casual, fast casual and quick service. I consider the half fast food / half sit down is considered quick service. Though I don't know many that bring the food to your table. That is a McDonalds thing. I am thinking like Chipotle, Five Guys, Blaze kinda places as quick service. I think they can also be referred to as fast casual.

Quick service or fast casual, whatever they call them, I'd say their prices aren't much more than fast food. In fact the lower end casual like Chili's, Red Robin and Applebees are not much more, or even cheaper, than fast food. At least when you are comparing similar meals like a hamburger to a hamburger. I can't believe how much a taco meal costs these days in a sit down restaurant.
I can't give examples as we don't really have them up my way in NY so I only saw them a lot in San Diego area and now in Louisiana and Tennessee. They look like (from a google maps search) a competitor to Chilis, but then you get there and there's a line to order, and they then give you a number stand to put on the table you find open. It's a different feel than Five Guys or Chipotle for sure. For one thing many of them had alcohol options for beverages.

I think the main thing is there's no server to tip, and it seems easy to me to not tip on the little payment pad when paying in advance. That makes a 20%+ difference now. It's basically IMHO what fast food used to be, in that the food is actually good and not really slower than how bad many many "fast food" chains have gotten.
 
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