[ MERGED ] Hawaii is increasing the tax rate on timeshares and short-term rentals

[letsgobobby]

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/hawaii-plans-to-increase-hotel-tax-to-help-it-cope-with-climate-change/

“The state’s existing 10.25% tax on daily room rates would climb to 11%. In addition, Hawaii’s counties each add their own 3% surcharge and the state and counties impose a combined 4.712% general excise tax on goods and services including hotel rooms. Together, that will make for a tax rate of nearly 19%.”

I believe this is not included in our MFs - this is the tax we pay when we stay in our timeshare.

 

[easyrider]

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/hawaii-plans-to-increase-hotel-tax-to-help-it-cope-with-climate-change/

“The state’s existing 10.25% tax on daily room rates would climb to 11%. In addition, Hawaii’s counties each add their own 3% surcharge and the state and counties impose a combined 4.712% general excise tax on goods and services including hotel rooms. Together, that will make for a tax rate of nearly 19%.”

I believe this is included in our MFs - this is separate from the tax we pay when we stay in our timeshare. They haven’t decided to raise that one - this year.

I read that Hawaii is getting ready to pass the Green Fee to keep Hawaii beautiful . I also read that the Hawaii rental car tax is in the process to increase 52%. I doubt it will stop those that enjoy Hawaii from going.

Bill

https://beatofhawaii.com/hawaii-visitor-green-fee-poised-for-approval-after-years-of-debate/

Another Jab for Maui Visitors? 52% Car Rental Fees Proposed

Rising travel costs in Hawaii continue, as lawmakers propose the latest hike to Maui’s car rental surcharge. See how in total, car rental fees could add 52% to your next rental.

beatofhawaii.com

 

[letsgobobby]

I read that Hawaii is getting ready to pass the $50 per tourist Green Fee to keep Hawaii beautiful. I also read that the Hawaii rental car tax is in the process to increase 52%. I doubt it will stop those that enjoy Hawaii from going.

Bill

https://beatofhawaii.com/hawaii-visitor-green-fee-poised-for-approval-after-years-of-debate/

Another Jab for Maui Visitors? 52% Car Rental Fees Proposed

Rising travel costs in Hawaii continue, as lawmakers propose the latest hike to Maui’s car rental surcharge. See how in total, car rental fees could add 52% to your next rental.

beatofhawaii.com

you have misread. not surprising

the tax in the article you linked is the same tax in the article I posted.

The $50 per head tax was previously proposed but abandoned.

Both are putatively linked to climate/environmental spending.

 

[dioxide45]

Based on what was quoted, it isn't property tax but is TAT or Transient Accommodations Tax. TAT becomes TSO (Timeshare Occupancy Tax) for timeshare occupancy where it is calculated based on the fair market rate of the timeshare night. Right now it is 10.25% of 50% of the maintenance fees for the unit one is staying in per night. So if the maintenance fees are $2100 for a week, then that is $300/night. So 10.25% of $150. That would change to 11% of $150. I don't believe the additional 3% county tax applies to TSO.

I find this statement rather interesting since they seem to do everything to avoid beach replenishment.
"State leaders say they’ll use the funds for projects like replenishing sand on eroding beaches,"

 

[Chucez]

Based on what was quoted, it isn't property tax but is TAT or Transient Accommodations Tax. TAT becomes TSO (Timeshare Occupancy Tax) for timeshare occupancy where it is calculated based on the fair market rate of the timeshare night. Right now it is 10.25% of 50% of the maintenance fees for the unit one is staying in per night. So if the maintenance fees are $2100 for a week, then that is $300/night. So 10.25% of $150. That would change to 11% of $150. I don't believe the additional 3% county tax applies to TSO.

I find this statement rather interesting since they seem to do everything to avoid beach replenishment.
"State leaders say they’ll use the funds for projects like replenishing sand on eroding beaches,"

Undoubtedly more Government mismanagement and corruption...

 

[letsgobobby]

Based on what was quoted, it isn't property tax but is TAT or Transient Accommodations Tax. TAT becomes TSO (Timeshare Occupancy Tax) for timeshare occupancy where it is calculated based on the fair market rate of the timeshare night. Right now it is 10.25% of 50% of the maintenance fees for the unit one is staying in per night. So if the maintenance fees are $2100 for a week, then that is $300/night. So 10.25% of $150. That would change to 11% of $150. I don't believe the additional 3% county tax applies to TSO.

I find this statement rather interesting since they seem to do everything to avoid beach replenishment.
"State leaders say they’ll use the funds for projects like replenishing sand on eroding beaches,"

i've corrected my original post doses it look right to you?

My Lagoon MF is ~$2300 so $235 per week in tax now becomes $253 or an additional $2.50 per day.

 

[easyrider]

you have misread. not surprising

Not really. The original proposal was a $50 per tourist Hawaiian entry fee that became an increased tax due to problems implementing the entry fee. Hawaii will figure out how to make tourists pay to use Hawaii is what is in the works.

Bill

 

[rickandcindy23]

Based on what was quoted, it isn't property tax but is TAT or Transient Accommodations Tax. TAT becomes TSO (Timeshare Occupancy Tax) for timeshare occupancy where it is calculated based on the fair market rate of the timeshare night. Right now it is 10.25% of 50% of the maintenance fees for the unit one is staying in per night. So if the maintenance fees are $2100 for a week, then that is $300/night. So 10.25% of $150. That would change to 11% of $150. I don't believe the additional 3% county tax applies to TSO.

I find this statement rather interesting since they seem to do everything to avoid beach replenishment.
"State leaders say they’ll use the funds for projects like replenishing sand on eroding beaches,"

True that Maui is doing nothing about beach replenishment north of Ka'anapali in Honokowai, where sand is being eroded and sand bags are used to keep the sand from eroding further.

Maui environmentalists have claimed that moving sand from one part of the island to the other is bad for the environment. Rather ridiculous, when buildings are at risk of erosion of the foundations. How about the risk of ocean life if Valley Isle collapses? It's one of the buildings that is approaching that danger currently, and there seems to be no answer from the government.

I initially felt that Wyndham should take on the ownership of the abandoned timeshares at Valley Isle (it's mixed use currently) but why would Wyndham take over a property that is about to be swallowed up by the ocean and no way to build a wall.

When you go to Maui, you should visit Sands of Kahana and Valley Isle and see the devastation and make a video. We talk about it but some have not seen it. Sands of Kahana has Captain Jack's, which is a great place for lunch.

 

[easyrider]

The Valley Isle was one of our favorite Maui resort. When we first started going here there was enough sand on the beach to walk to the park. I'm glad Worldmark and VI gave up their Valley Isle units because the way things are going any money raised to restore the beach will be actually used to study the beach until the ocean causes so much damage to these resorts that it will not matter.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

believe this is not included in our MFs - this is the tax we pay when we stay in our timeshare

that makes more sense. I thought this read something about a property tax based on room-rates the first time I read it. That seemed way out there, even for HI.

 

[letsgobobby]

Not really. The original proposal was a $50 per tourist Hawaiian entry fee that became an increased tax due to problems implementing the entry fee. Hawaii will figure out how to make tourists pay to use Hawaii is what is in the works.

Bill

in other words your post was just wrong

 

[dioxide45]

I recall an initiative a few years ago where the state of Hawaii wanted to change the definition of "fair market value" of a timeshare stay to be based on 100% of the maintenance fee instead of 50%. That would have effectively doubled the TSO (timeshare occupancy tax) that owners and timeshare guests would have to pay. ARDA-ROC touted how they lobbied against that proposal to have it stopped.

The 10.25% does get charged if a guest books a timeshare night through an online travel agency or one of the big hotel brand websites.

 

[easyrider]

in other words your post was just wrong

What's wrong with it ?

Bill

 

[letsgobobby]

$17 or whatever I pay per night definitely isn’t going to break the bank, nor will $20, and as a hapa haole kinda sorta kama’aina I am fine doing my part to help the Islands… but it is annoying to pay a ‘guest tax’ to use my own property.

 

[letsgobobby]

What's wrong with it ?

Bill

well, you’ve changed your post. It’s still wrong, but only 1 part of it is wrong. Only Maui is proposing to raise the car rental tax to 52%. That isn’t state-wide.

The other part was also wrong. There is not discussion about an additional $50 per head Green Fee. That was discussed, then abandoned. The increase in the TSO tax IS the replacement for the $50 per head fee. It’s not in addition to, or along with, or maybe the other one is under discussion.

I’m used to this with you because, well, electric vehicles and the stock market.

 

[dioxide45]

$17 or whatever I pay per night definitely isn’t going to break the bank, nor will $20, and as a hapa haole kinda sorta kama’aina I am fine doing my part to help the Islands… but it is annoying to pay a ‘guest tax’ to use my own property.

$17 or $20 isn't much, but when added together for seven nights it does add up. Then you have to compare it to alternatives where the amount of tax is $0.

 

[easyrider]

well, you’ve changed your post. It’s still wrong, but only 1 part of it is wrong. Only Maui is proposing to raise the car rental tax to 52%. That isn’t state-wide.

The other part was also wrong. There is not discussion about an additional $50 per head Green Fee. That was discussed, then abandoned. The increase in the TSO tax IS the replacement for the $50 per head fee. It’s not in addition to, or along with, or maybe the other one is under discussion.

I’m used to this with you because, well, electric vehicles and the stock market.

Yes, I changed my post as it may have confused you. Originally, Hawaii wanted the $50 per person entry fee for those over 15 years old but couldn't legally do that so they are doing what they can and recently passed a higher tax rate. This doesn't get Hawaii to the $50 per person they want.

Interesting is it does seem like you can't speak to me without adding a bit of disparagement. Why ?

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

I should look up how much more I pay to the govts when I fly to Mexico vs flying to Hawaii. Mexico leans on air taxes/charges. HI leans on the room.
Probably HI doesn't want to charge high air fees/charges to its own residents.

 

[dioxide45]

I should look up how much more I pay to the govts when I fly to Mexico vs flying to Hawaii. Mexico leans on air taxes/charges. HI leans on the room.
Probably HI doesn't want to charge high air fees/charges to its own residents.

But if you compare it domestically, there really isn't a similar tax except in the USVI. And USVI is even more punitive.

 

[davidvel]

Yes, I changed my post as it may have confused you. Originally, Hawaii wanted the $50 per person entry fee for those over 15 years old but couldn't legally do that so they are doing what they can and recently passed a higher tax rate. This doesn't get Hawaii to the $50 per person they want.

Interesting is it does seem like you can't speak to me without adding a bit of disparagement. Why ?

Bill

Probably because you consistently come on here and spout your mistaken beliefs and opinion as fact. When called out you spin and shuck and jive, refusing to acknowledge you are wrong. That coupled with the various conspiracy-think comments, it just gets old.

Bill-think:

I read that Hawaii is getting ready to pass the $50 per tourist Green Fee to keep Hawaii beautiful. [...]

Bill

you have misread. not surprising
[...]
The $50 per head tax was previously proposed but abandoned.
[...]

So no, Hawaii is not "getting ready to pass" that. You were called out for again posting misinformation, but then try to claim it wasn't wrong after some gobbledygook attempt to explain it as correct:

What's wrong with it ?

Bill

If you would just stop making things up and posting your thoughts and misinterpretations as fact, people wouldn't become so frustrated with your posts.

 

[letsgobobby]

But if you compare it domestically, there really isn't a similar tax except in the USVI. And USVI is even more punitive.

but there also isn't anywhere similar to Hawaii, domestically or otherwise. There's probably a daily tax I wouldn't pay... but it ain't $20 bring on the shave ice

 

[easyrider]

Probably because you consistently come on here and spout your mistaken beliefs and opinion as fact. When called out you spin and shuck and jive, refusing to acknowledge you are wrong. That coupled with the various conspiracy-think comments, it just gets old.

Bill-think:



So no, Hawaii is not "getting ready to pass" that. You were called out for again posting misinformation, but then try to claim it wasn't wrong after some gobbledygook attempt to explain it as correct:

If you would just stop making things up and posting your thoughts and misinterpretations as fact, people wouldn't become so frustrated with your posts.

Fair enough Dave. I have come to expect this type of antagonistic, on the verge of hostile, types of comments from you, on threads where you like to interject your concept of what's appropriate on a forum. I have an idea for you. Why don't you cry yourself a river, build yourself a bridge and get over it ?

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Fair enough Dave. I have come to expect this type of antagonistic, on the verge of hostile, types of comments from you, on threads where you like to interject your concept of what's appropriate on a forum. I have an idea for you. Why don't you cry yourself a river, build yourself a bridge and get over it ?

Bill

If you want to argue that presenting misinformation, wild theories, and opinions as facts, that people should not correct and counterpose, is appropriate on any forum, let's hear the logic on that one.

 

[DeniseM]

This p***ing contest is over.

 

[DeniseM]

@Pillowcrave - your post has been moved to the Wyndham forum.