Timeline for Redweek closing through Fidelity Hawaii Timeshares

[rickandcindy23]

Cost of closing $1,250 with escrow and title insurance.

Signed contracts and sent on 9/25/2024.

Finally received the closing documents via email today.

Now we are really in a waiting game with Marriott. 12 weeks, and here I thought the transfer paperwork already went to Marriott.

That company RW uses really is way too slow and way too expensive:

 

[dioxide45]

This is the cost of doing business with a licensed title company. That $1,250 does also include an owner's title insurance policy. Based on what you are paying, the fees for closing seem perfectly reasonable.

 

[montygz]

I don't know about the speed, but the title & escrow charges and the administrative and doc fees look like bargains to me.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I guess when it's not your money, it looks reasonable. The escrow fee is ridiculous. They are just holding the money and disbursing funds. Goes into one account, comes back out in the form of a payment to the seller.

Since I have closed timeshares many times in the last few years and know that recording fees are miniscule amounts, I get a little annoyed at fees. I also generally have a document written, printed, sent to recording and returned, all within a week. So does LT Timeshares. The timeline here is slow.

This is why LT Timeshares, Legal Timeshare Transfers, needs to get set up to hold escrow in HI. It would save us for sure.

 

[dioxide45]

I guess when it's not your money, it looks reasonable. The escrow fee is ridiculous. They are just holding the money and disbursing funds. Goes into one account, comes back out in the form of a payment to the seller.

I looked at escrow fees for Hawaii real estate transactions, and the fee seems in line with traditional real estate. Your comment shows a lack of understanding in what is really involved with licensed and insured real estate closings. There is more to it than just money in and money out. Disclosures, auditing, required reporting, bonds or insurance in the event fraud.

I would think when we are talking about a $35,000 timeshare transaction, you would want to make sure your money is safe?

 

[rickandcindy23]

I looked at escrow fees for Hawaii real estate transactions, and the fee seems in line with traditional real estate. Your comment shows a lack of understanding in what is really involved with licensed and insured real estate closings. There is more to it than just money in and money out. Disclosures, auditing, required reporting, bonds or insurance in the event fraud.

I would think when we are talking about a $35,000 timeshare transaction, you would want to make sure your money is safe?

I was a real estate broker for years. This is just a timeshare. I am used to paying lower fees on timeshare closings. In Colorado, we don't pay this percentage for title insurance. It's a flat fee and apparently not based on a percentage of the purchase price. It's a minor expense in Colorado.

I am frustrated that it will take 3-4 months for transfer as well. They did put our name on the 3/8 week, but I am unsure if I will have the ability to add a guest name, since we are already at Hono Koa that week. Maybe I can get one of the kids to use it.

 

[dioxide45]

I was a real estate broker for 20 years. This is just a timeshare. I am used to paying lower fees on timeshare closings. In Colorado, we don't pay this percentage for title insurance. It's a flat fee and apparently not based on a percentage of the purchase price. It's a minor expense in Colorado.

It's because you are used to working with companies like LT which is a completely different operating model than a fully licensed and insured real estate title company. You could probably decline the owner title insurance policy and save about $500.

 

[rickandcindy23]

It's because you are used to working with companies like LT which is a completely different operating model than a fully licensed and insured real estate title company. You could probably decline the owner title insurance policy and save about $500.

Agree. I know that title insurance for a purchase this large is a good idea.

 

[davidvel]

It's because you are used to working with companies like LT which is a completely different operating model than a fully licensed and insured real estate title company. You could probably decline the owner title insurance policy and save about $500.

To add to this, title insurance is a complete separate cost from closing or escrow. It is not a "cost of closing."

LT transfers charges $315 in HI for "document preparation and recording services," but this is not a true escrow. Fidelity here is charging about $650, including doc prep by a HI attorney it appears, and they also are acting as a licensed and bonded escrow. The comparison of LT to Fidelity is apples to oranges.

A true, licensed escrow is the most important thing for a transaction of this amount. So it is costing OP about $325 more than LT's service which she has no objection to, but getting much more. If this amount is troubling, spending almost $40,000 for a resale timeshare does not seem advisable.

 

[rickandcindy23]

To add to this, title insurance is a complete separate cost from closing or escrow. It is not a "cost of closing."

LT transfers charges $315 in HI for "document preparation and recording services," but this is not a true escrow. Fidelity here is charging about $650, including doc prep by a HI attorney it appears, and they also are acting as a licensed and bonded escrow. The comparison of LT to Fidelity is apples to oranges.

A true, licensed escrow is the most important thing for a transaction of this amount. So it is costing OP about $325 more than LT's service which she has no objection to, but getting much more. If this amount is troubling, spending almost $40,000 for a resale timeshare does not seem advisable.

Depends on the timeshare.

 

[davidvel]

Depends on the timeshare.

Not sure what part you are referring to. I was using your example.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Not sure what part you are referring to. I was using your example.

It's a great timeshare and I deem it worthy. Just sayin'. It does include fees for 2025.

 

[davidvel]

It's a great timeshare and I deem it worthy. Just sayin'. It does include fees for 2025.

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I didn't say anything about what you were buying, as you never said what you bought so no one knows if it was a good deal. My point was if you are so bent about paying a few hundred bucks more than LT transfers for full transfer AND licensed escrow, a $40,000 purchase (for anything) seems odd.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I didn't say anything about what you were buying, as you never said what you bought so no one knows if it was a good deal. My point was if you are so bent about paying a few hundred bucks more than LT transfers for full transfer AND licensed escrow, a $40,000 purchase (for anything) seems odd.

That makes sense. I get it.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Cost of closing $1,250 with escrow and title insurance.

Signed contracts and sent on 9/25/2024.

Finally received the closing documents via email today.

Now we are really in a waiting game with Marriott. 12 weeks, and here I thought the transfer paperwork already went to Marriott.

That company RW uses really is way too slow and way too expensive:

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The ineptitude of Marriott/ Vistana is apparent in the latest debacle for this purchase. Marriott decided to keep the 2025 maintenance fees we paid and didn't apply that $3,816.47 to our account, and several calls in on this mess, and we discover that Marriott thought that was a transfer fee being paid to them and Marriott kept the entire amount. It's floating around somewhere in the heavens.

Needless to say, I sent them a copy of this document, and they see that they don't get $3,816.47 to play around with and buy their coffee and snacks for the break room.

I am sure it will be corrected, but a week after our call, and they are sending me constant emails to inform me that my maintenance fees are now due.

Just someone in title that didn't know what to do with all of that money, apparently.

 

[SteveinHNL]

I was a real estate broker for years. This is just a timeshare. I am used to paying lower fees on timeshare closings. In Colorado, we don't pay this percentage for title insurance. It's a flat fee and apparently not based on a percentage of the purchase price. It's a minor expense in Colorado.

I am frustrated that it will take 3-4 months for transfer as well. They did put our name on the 3/8 week, but I am unsure if I will have the ability to add a guest name, since we are already at Hono Koa that week. Maybe I can get one of the kids to use it.

From what I can see the escrow company charged a fee of $471. Everything else went to third parties. That's not bad at all. A lawyer would charge that for one hour of attention.

 

[rickandcindy23]

From what I can see the escrow company charged a fee of $471. Everything else went to third parties. That's not bad at all. A lawyer would charge that for one hour of attention.

Yep, I am done with my rant on Fidelity. It isn't that much. I am wondering where our prepaid 2025 maintenance fees went.

 

[SteveinHNL]

Yep, I am done with my rant on Fidelity. It isn't that much. I am wondering where our prepaid 2025 maintenance fees went.

I'll bet you will love using that TS!

 

[pharmgirl]

where did you advertise the Hawaiian timeshare? We have a Maui Westin Kaanapali 2 BR EOY and a Oahu Marriott KoOLina 2 BR annual. THey've been on Redweek for about $11000 but no offers for 2 years. No mortgage and deeded

 

[rickandcindy23]

where did you advertise the Hawaiian timeshare? We have a Maui Westin Kaanapali 2 BR EOY and a Oahu Marriott KoOLina 2 BR annual. THey've been on Redweek for about $11000 but no offers for 2 years. No mortgage and deeded

You should contact advantagevacation.com, Syed will tell you how much your weeks are worth.

 

[dioxide45]

where did you advertise the Hawaiian timeshare? We have a Maui Westin Kaanapali 2 BR EOY and a Oahu Marriott KoOLina 2 BR annual. THey've been on Redweek for about $11000 but no offers for 2 years. No mortgage and deeded

Have you checked ROFR.net to see if your pricing is in line with other pricing? Advantage Vacations out of Maui may be able to help.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Have you checked ROFR.net to see if your pricing is in line with other pricing? Advantage Vacations out of Maui may be able to help.

I just suggested Advantage Vacation at the same time you posted.

 

[WahooWah]

where did you advertise the Hawaiian timeshare? We have a Maui Westin Kaanapali 2 BR EOY and a Oahu Marriott KoOLina 2 BR annual. THey've been on Redweek for about $11000 but no offers for 2 years. No mortgage and deeded

You might want to look into Maui Resort Resales. They are the only resale outfit on Maui with a physical presence. Located at Whalers Village, right in the heart of the Marriott, Hyatt and Westin timeshares there. Lots of owners own Maui and Ko'olina.