Help w/ Club Wyndham Plus (CWP) Points Old Fairfield Resort?

[247gonefishin]

Newbie here... Looking at buying resale points that states in the estoppel "Club Wyndham Plus" (not Access) deeded week 35 but no property (original owner was from Fairfield Sands Ocean Club Resort deeded week? possibly a Personal Interval Choice (PIC)?). Hope someone can help w a few advance questions? Thx and soon to be apart of the family!

• Will I be able to use these points in a new acct and do these old CWP points have any advantages over the new "Access" program or to any of the four (4) Club Wyndham Plus programs? (understand VIP status does not transfer via resale, but no club fees ,etc.)
• Will these CWP have 13-mos priority? (eg. Advance Reservation Priority (ARP), Undivided Interest Contract (UDI) from where? to any location from week 35? assume these will have the standard 10-mos anytime at best)
• How are Maintenance Fee calculated since Wyndham no longer owns "Fairfield Sand's Ocean Club Resort" which these points were originally deeded too? (eg. assuming original owners PIC Personal Interval Choice Express / Plus?)

 

[bnoble]

This is not (and has never been) a Wyndham resort. It is a non-Wyndham resort that is (a) affiliated with RCI and (b) was enrolled in the seller's Wyndham account under the PIC program. That allowed the seller to "deposit" the week and get Wyndham points in return for it. However, if you buy it, all you are buying is the underlying resort week, and you will NOT be able to use it for Wyndham points yourself without some other purchase from Wyndham.

Here is more about the PIC program so you can better understand what the seller actually has:

PIC Plus Contract

Are you a Club Wyndham owner? Learn more about Personal Interval Choice Plus, which allows members to enroll non-Club Wyndham timeshare weeks to be applied their VIP status.

clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com

Note in particular the last sentence:

• PIC Plus contracts are non-transferable.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Personal Interval Choice is a term used when buying developer, and a PIC week is a generic week not in any point system currently, which can be used as points. The number of points depends on season and unit size. For example, a 3 bedroom red week is 254,000 points. A 2 bedroom is 154,000 in red season.

 

[bnoble]

Note that it is entirely possible that the seller does not understand any of this. Do not argue with them, just tell them you are no longer interested---assuming that you are not, of course.

 

[247gonefishin]

Thx TUG Family! Should it state PIC on the estoppel? see attached.

 

[bnoble]

Where did you get the term "PIC - Personal Interval Choice from Fairfield/Wyndham Sands Ocean Club Resort deeded week"? I assume you didn't make it up. And if you didn't, that plus an explanation of what PIC is tells you everything you need to know.

You can keep asking questions hoping the answer will be different, or you can buy one of the many other Wyndham resale ownerships for pennies on the dollar. It's up to you.

 

[247gonefishin]

Where did you get the term "PIC - Personal Interval Choice from Fairfield/Wyndham Sands Ocean Club Resort deeded week"? I assume you didn't make it up. And if you didn't, that plus an explanation of what PIC is tells you everything you need to know.

You can keep asking questions hoping the answer will be different, or you can buy one of the many other Wyndham resale ownerships for pennies on the dollar. It's up to you.

Thx for the patience from a newbie... maybe I was assuming to much and might not asking the right questions... or the correct background.
Overall, the original owner converted their old Fairfield resort to CWP and assumed they used PIC based on past thread others have done from old Fairfield resort. I could be utterly incorrect.

Overall, just trying to understand based on the estoppel and what the CWP (vs Access,etc) points will allow us?

 

[paxsarah]

Well, it could be a converted fixed week of an actual Fairfield/Wyndham resort (probably not Sands, for the reasons Brian points out) - but Wyndham, in its continued sloppiness with estoppels, has failed to enter the resort name (should be between "at" and the period). Unless you are jonesing specifically for week 35 of this unidentified resort (with the added flexibility of points) I'd still stay far away from it. Although there are some converted fixed week gems out there with decent maintenance fee rates, one with this few points is probably either non-prime or a smaller unit and likely not a great deal in terms of maintenance fees. There are too many straightforward Wyndham contracts out there for free or cheap to deal with the weirdness of this one.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Are the fees reasonable? You deleted the name of the resort from this document before posting it?

 

[247gonefishin]

Are the fees reasonable? You deleted the name of the resort from this document before posting it?

oh sorry... there is no resort name (seller only mentioned they converted from Sands Ocean)... MF is only $65/m for 126k pts and only have to pay the transfer $399

 

[paxsarah]

Okay, so I did some searching of old posts regarding Sands.

Apparently it did have an association with Fairfield back in the day, along with a couple of other Myrtle Beach locations; it was one of the original FAX resorts (fixed week internal exchange).
It may have been considered an associate resort (?) but by 2009 it was no longer listed (it's also not in my 2009-10 directory).
Another owner back in the day did not convert to points but PICed in his Sands week.
Can't verify the accuracy of this one (because it's rrlongwell) but the Sands may have reemerged as a WAAM add-on property in the early teens?
Actually, no, apparently it was sold to rrlongwell specifically to use as a PIC, not converted points.

None of this background changes my opinion that I would just stay away from it when there are so many other less-weird choices out there.

 

[247gonefishin]

Okay, so I did some searching of old posts regarding Sands.

Apparently it did have an association with Fairfield back in the day, along with a couple of other Myrtle Beach locations; it was one of the original FAX resorts (fixed week internal exchange).
It may have been considered an associate resort (?) but by 2009 it was no longer listed (it's also not in my 2009-10 directory).
Another owner back in the day did not convert to points but PICed in his Sands week.
Can't verify the accuracy of this one (because it's rrlongwell) but the Sands may have reemerged as a WAAM add-on property in the early teens?
Actually, no, apparently it was sold to rrlongwell specifically to use as a PIC, not converted points.

None of this background changes my opinion that I would just stay away from it when there are so many other less-weird choices out there.

Thanks a ton! Sorry, thats similar to what I found as well while trying to do my due diligence... I'll links reference posts in the future.

If I called Wyndham, would they help answer my tenative ownership question... the free acquisition & MF worth it?

 

[chapjim]

There's probably someone at Wyndham who could provide some answers but finding that person might be daunting.

As usual, I agree with @paxsarah. This is too weird. Keep it simple.

 

[Roger830]

oh sorry... there is no resort name (seller only mentioned they converted from Sands Ocean)... MF is only $65/m for 126k pts and only have to pay the transfer $399

Paying the transfer fee of $399 doesn't make this low cost.

I don't own a pic but it's my understanding that there is an addition fee each year to use the pic points in addition to the mf and program fee.

Another thing to consider is how would you upload this contract in the future.

 

[bnoble]

To help with some of your questions about CWP vs. CWA (and some questions you probably haven't thought to ask) it is worth reading the Owner Resources section of the Directory. There is a lot of detail here, so it is probably worth reading a few times over the course of a week or two to help things sink in.

2023-2024 CW Directory

media.travelandleisure.com

You can safely skip the sections on VIP, Plus Partners, and Club Pass---resale buyers are not eligible for these.

 

[rickandcindy23]

To help with some of your questions about CWP vs. CWA (and some questions you probably haven't thought to ask) it is worth reading the Owner Resources section of the Directory. There is a lot of detail here, so it is probably worth reading a few times over the course of a week or two to help things sink in.

2023-2024 CW Directory

media.travelandleisure.com

You can safely skip the sections on VIP, Plus Partners, and Club Pass---resale buyers are not eligible for these.

All of the weeks I transferred (myself) to new owners transferred as developer. Kinda weird. I had several people who emailed me to say they have status with their free contracts.

 

[bnoble]

We've seen that before, but we've also seen it get "fixed" in many cases. It is nice if it happens, but (a) I would not count on it and (b) if it does, I would not count on keeping it.

 

[247gonefishin]

To help with some of your questions about CWP vs. CWA (and some questions you probably haven't thought to ask) it is worth reading the Owner Resources section of the Directory. There is a lot of detail here, so it is probably worth reading a few times over the course of a week or two to help things sink in.

2023-2024 CW Directory

media.travelandleisure.com

You can safely skip the sections on VIP, Plus Partners, and Club Pass---resale buyers are not eligible for these.

Thx GREAT reference! But dont see the difference between CWP vs CWA

• Reading through past threads about CWP vs CWA, CWP is the overall umbrella for all four (4) past thread (https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/difference-between-cwa-cwp.185413/)... but does not directly mention how "Club Wyndham Plus Points" alone (as noted in the estoppel) are handled with a new account/title/owner and assigned/benefits.
  • Advantage? = Do we get ALL the benefits from all four (4) ownership programs <grin>
  • Disadvantage? = Are this points useless w/o having an established account w/ Wynham for the points to pair w any four ownership programs?
• Called Customer care for the 1st time... they were quick to answer.
  • 1st call... cant share details about contract w/o the owner
  • 2nd call... asked generally CWP vs CWA... Answer= They are the same w/ hesitation...?
  • 3rd call... referred me to speak to sales
• @bnoble Leaning toward taking your advice

 

[tschwa2]

One possible concern with these types of associate resorts are they likely aren't eligible for certified exit and when you are done you are going to have to find a new home for it. It will be slightly more difficult then one of the more traditional wyndham resorts because like you the new potential owner will have questions about what exactly it is.

In terms of MF's, the HOA determines the MF's and then sends that to wyndham who will charge you the MF's from the resort plus the applicable program fee. If this is your only wyndham, your program fee could be considerablly higher than the previous owner who likely had enough to meet the minimum threshold.

 

[247gonefishin]

One possible concern with these types of associate resorts are they likely aren't eligible for certified exit and when you are done you are going to have to find a new home for it. It will be slightly more difficult then one of the more traditional wyndham resorts because like you the new potential owner will have questions about what exactly it is.

In terms of MF's, the HOA determines the MF's and then sends that to wyndham who will charge you the MF's from the resort plus the applicable program fee. If this is your only wyndham, your program fee could be considerablly higher than the previous owner who likely had enough to meet the minimum threshold.

@tschwa2 Thanks so much... thats exactly what WC stated.

• Spoke with CW Corporate office, Sales... Below is what we discussed.

1. Referred the current ownership is a "Select" (CWS) points deeded week w/ Fairfield Sands Ocean... even thought this property no longer exist in the program.
2. We explored the "best" way for us to take over (by selling us points)... eg. add my name to the acct, buy more points, transfer to CWA, then remove the past owner to keep original/developer benefits w/ our points.
3. Backtracked... confirmed we would not be able to do #2 due to #1
4. If these "Plus" points were acquired via resale...
   • Not eligible for "Certified exit" (https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/certified-exit-limited-option.336093/)
   • Not be able to trade into another CW ownership program (CWA, etc).
   • Locked CWS points to deeded week @ Fairfield Sands Ocean (forever!!!)... basically 10-mos standard trade anywhere else.

Final Summary...

• Wow... what an incredible group and thank for your responses! Im here to learn all aspects of TS ownership & your wealth of knowledge is incredible!
• Decided not to buy & this journey is over for these Plus points.
• However, I am not giving up... looking for another free & low MF CWA or CWS (Canterbury, Bali, etc) let me know if you have any suggestions.

 

[tschwa2]

Usually the Wyndham points with below average MF's that would be eligible for certified exit are not going to be free. They aren't going to be expensive but I would expect them to be $500-1500 plus the transfer fee depending on the number of points for between 100-300k) For everyone who is looking to give away for ($0-$399) those types of points there are 10+ people looking to pick them up. Owners who bought direct are going to be looking for a minimum of $1500 to match what they can get in free usage through certified exit.

If you are looking for free or just the transfer fee, you may need to look at CWA or something with similar MF's per 1000.

 

[247gonefishin]

Usually the Wyndham points with below average MF's that would be eligible for certified exit are not going to be free. They aren't going to be expensive but I would expect them to be $500-1500 plus the transfer fee depending on the number of points for between 100-300k) For everyone who is looking to give away for ($0-$399) those types of points there are 10+ people looking to pick them up. Owners who bought direct are going to be looking for a minimum of $1500 to match what they can get in free usage through certified exit.

If you are looking for free or just the transfer fee, you may need to look at CWA or something with similar MF's per 1000.

hmmm... How do we know resales are eligible for "certified exit" before buying... guess in this thread call CW?

• Starting another thread on this topic...
  
  https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/certified-exit-limited-option-are-purchased-resale-cwa-cws-eligible.366117/