Ownership and booking 12mo vs 13mo out

[ncaahockeyfan]

Do I have to own 2 weeks at the same property to book 13 months out or just own two Marriott weeks?

For example, if I owned a week at MGC and a week at MAW could I book 13 months out at each property?

 

[jwalk03]

The weeks do not have to be at the same property to book at 13-months but they do have to be booked as consecutive or concurrent weeks- so the seasonal calendars have to align

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

The weeks do not have to be at the same property to book at 13-months but they do have to be booked as consecutive or concurrent weeks- so the seasonal calendars have to align

Would a pair of Platinum weeks work then? For example an MGC and MAW Platinum week?

If so, could I lock-off the MGC and also book MAW.

Would they need to be three either concurrent of consecutive weeks?

 

[jwalk03]

Would a pair of Platinum weeks work then? For example an MGC and MAW Platinum week?

If so, could I lock-off the MGC and also book MAW.

Would they need to be three either concurrent of consecutive weeks?

MGC is Platinum 51 weeks a year (everything except New Years week which is Platinum Plus) so a Platinum week there would align with any reason at any other resort.

Typically when I lockoff to deposit and trade I just book the same high TDI week for both halves, but if you prefer to lock it off and string it as 3 weeks you can do that as well.

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

MGC is Platinum 51 weeks a year (everything except New Years week which is Platinum Plus) so a Platinum week there would align with any reason at any other resort.

Typically when I lockoff to deposit and trade I just book the same high TDI week for both halves, but if you prefer to lock it off and string it as 3 weeks you can do that as well.

I assumed ownership had to be at the same location for the 13 month window, but recently read something suggesting that is not the case. Glad I asked!

MAW is my wife's favorite property and we have considered owning there. However, we are stuck with the school calendar for the next eight years and don't like the uncertainty of what week the 12 month window gets us. Purchasing a pair of MAW weeks is not an option.

 

[bazzap]

I assumed ownership had to be at the same location for the 13 month window, but recently read something suggesting that is not the case. Glad I asked!

MAW is my wife's favorite property and we have considered owning there. However, we are stuck with the school calendar for the next eight years and don't like the uncertainty of what week the 12 month window gets us. Purchasing a pair of MAW weeks is not an option.

Ownership does not have to be at the same location for 13 month consecutive or concurrent week bookings.
As mentioned though they do have to be within your ownership seasons for those locations.
With lock off units though, you can’t just lock off then book Master and Guest suites at 13 months. They have to be separate ownership weeks.

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

Ownership does not have to be at the same location for 13 month consecutive or concurrent week bookings.
As mentioned though they do have to be within your ownership seasons for those locations.
With lock off units though, you can’t just lock off then book Master and Guest suites at 13 months. They have to be separate ownership weeks.

Thanks for the follow up. Please help me understand how this could work if I own Platinum weeks at MGC and MAW.

At 13 months I can book Week 12 at MAW and potentially Week 11/12/13 at MGC, but can't split it into two units? If that's the case, when could I split it.

My end game is being able to book MAW 13 months out and get two II deposits with the MGC.

 

[jwalk03]

Thanks for the follow up. Please help me understand how this could work if I own Platinum weeks at MGC and MAW.

At 13 months I can book Week 12 at MAW and potentially Week 11/12/13 at MGC, but can't split it into two units? If that's the case, when could I split it.

My end game is being able to book MAW 13 months out and get two II deposits with the MGC.

Yes you can do that. You just can't lock-off a single week and book that as a consecutive/concurrent reservation at 13-months. As long as you are booking two (or more) separate ownership weeks consecutively or concurrently you can do that starting at 13-months from the first check-in date

 

[Dean]

Thanks for the follow up. Please help me understand how this could work if I own Platinum weeks at MGC and MAW.

At 13 months I can book Week 12 at MAW and potentially Week 11/12/13 at MGC, but can't split it into two units? If that's the case, when could I split it.

My end game is being able to book MAW 13 months out and get two II deposits with the MGC.

A few thoughts. The calendar for GC & HI match up very well to take advantage of the 13 month option. Assuming you want week 12, weeks 10 & 11 at GC are not as high for II's TDI in terms of trade power as some other weeks but they are not that bad. Unless your spring break is actually associated with Easter, I'm not sure you'll need the 13 month option though. There should be those on this forum that have experience doing exactly what you are thinking about and hopefully can chime in OR message you privately. Don't forget there are costs to lock off and exchange and if you make changes in your reservation, you'll have charges there as well. All assuming they are not enrolled which would be an expensive venture. And both locations have EOY options which might be helpful for some in this situation.

ETA: There is an EOY now for GC on ebay but at $2500 the price is nuts even with this years week included and free closing. One should be able to get an annual week for that including closing, esp considering one would be paying for half the maintenance fees next year anyway.

 

[davidvel]

Yes, but the CC&Rs... oh never mind.

 

[ljmiii]

Yes, but the CC&Rs... oh never mind.

Indeed. It’s why my MVC ownership started with a pair of Waiohai weeks.

 

[Dean]

Yes, but the CC&Rs... oh never mind.

Please explain.

 

[Dean]

Yes, but the CC&Rs... oh never mind.

I was asking for an explanation, are you saying that you believe the CC&R's prohibit the 13 month reservations unless the owned units are at that resort? This has been discussed over the years, esp for Maui, but I've never been convinced it's clear cut and even if it was, it could be changed fairly easily.

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

I was asking for an explanation, are you saying that you believe the CC&R's prohibit the 13 month reservations unless the owned units are at that resort? This has been discussed over the years, esp for Maui, but I've never been convinced it's clear cut and even if it was, it could be changed fairly easily.

I am equally curious...

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

If I owned a pair consecutive ODD or EVEN years at the same Marriott, would I be able to book concurrent/consecutive weeks at the 13 month window?

 

[jwalk03]

If I owned a pair consecutive ODD or EVEN years at the same Marriott, would I be able to book concurrent/consecutive weeks at the 13 month window?

The only way you could make a consecutive booking at 13-months with an ODD and an EVEN ownership would be if you were booking week 52 and week 1 since they would be in different years.

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

The only way you could make a consecutive booking at 13-months with an ODD and an EVEN ownership would be if you were booking week 52 and week 1 since they would be in different years.

What if I owned a pair of ODD Red Season weeks at MPD?

 

[jwalk03]

What if I owned a pair of ODD Red Season weeks at MPD?

Yes- two odd weeks (or 2 even) could be used for consecutive/concurrent reservations at 13-months the same as an annual ownership, just only every other year.

 

[Dean]

What if I owned a pair of ODD Red Season weeks at MPD?

As noted, yes but with likely two closing costs. Compare the costs to one annual week. EOY weeks do tend to make it through ROFR more easily at times.

 

[davidvel]

I was asking for an explanation, are you saying that you believe the CC&R's prohibit the 13 month reservations unless the owned units are at that resort? This has been discussed over the years, esp for Maui, but I've never been convinced it's clear cut and even if it was, it could be changed fairly easily.

Sorry I missed your comment before. I'll answer your question a bit different than you phrased it. The CC&Rs for every resort I have seen only allow reservation at 13 months for two weeks at that particular resort. There is no reference to any other resort, any affiliated resort, etc.

We all here know that the idea that MVC TSs are just one big happy "Marriott" family is not real. Each resort is its own autonomous TS condo resort development with an HOA and governing docs (CC&Rs), who has a contract with MVC to manage the resort. They exist and act independently as HOAs.

Reading the definitions of an "Owner," "Timeshare Interest," "Timeshare Condominium" etc., it cannot be plausibly read to allow weeks owned at other HOAs be combined to qualify for 13 month reservations.

No, CC&Rs cannot be changed easily like rules. They are like the constitution of the HOA, and these specific reservation procedures are set forth therein. Notwithstanding the above, MVC has consistently and continually since I have owned, allowed such cross-owner reservations at 13 months.

 

[Dean]

Sorry I missed your comment before. I'll answer your question a bit different than you phrased it. The CC&Rs for every resort I have seen only allow reservation at 13 months for two weeks at that particular resort. There is no reference to any other resort, any affiliated resort, etc.

We all here know that the idea that MVC TSs are just one big happy "Marriott" family is not real. Each resort is its own autonomous TS condo resort development with an HOA and governing docs (CC&Rs), who has a contract with MVC to manage the resort. They exist and act independently as HOAs.

Reading the definitions of an "Owner," "Timeshare Interest," "Timeshare Condominium" etc., it cannot be plausibly read to allow weeks owned at other HOAs be combined to qualify for 13 month reservations.
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No, CC&Rs cannot be changed easily like rules. They are like the constitution of the HOA, and these specific reservation procedures are set forth therein. Notwithstanding the above, MVC has consistently and continually since I have owned, allowed such cross-owner reservations at 13 months.

I read it differently and always have and there's no reason to hash it out again here. IMO there would have to be wording that precluded reservations across different timeshares and I don't see anything here that would do so. In addition, this is something that could easily be changed unilaterally if needed since it's a reservation issue that comes under the complete control of the management company. As I understand it, the reason this actually came into being was a sales issue to encourage those who owned at HHI to buy weeks at Surfwatch and Barony. I'm pretty sure this was not in the original MGO POS. Going by memory, I seem to recall that the wording for Maui was a bit more stringent but I may just be remembering it incorrectly. I thought maybe there was something more specific here that I was unaware of.

 

[ncaahockeyfan]

As noted, yes but with likely two closing costs. Compare the costs to one annual week. EOY weeks do tend to make it through ROFR more easily at times.

I don't like the idea of paying transaction costs twice, but it might be worth it for booking a month earlier than the single week owners.

 

[Dean]

I don't like the idea of paying transaction costs twice, but it might be worth it for booking a month earlier than the single week owners.

I think it depends on the resort and week needed. For most it's not that big of a deal and for some, it's not enough to consistently get what you want unless you are stringing other weeks ahead of that 13 month window. And it's not always more for two EOY though it can be. It's just something to be aware of.

 

[jwalk03]

Sorry I missed your comment before. I'll answer your question a bit different than you phrased it. The CC&Rs for every resort I have seen only allow reservation at 13 months for two weeks at that particular resort. There is no reference to any other resort, any affiliated resort, etc.

We all here know that the idea that MVC TSs are just one big happy "Marriott" family is not real. Each resort is its own autonomous TS condo resort development with an HOA and governing docs (CC&Rs), who has a contract with MVC to manage the resort. They exist and act independently as HOAs.

Reading the definitions of an "Owner," "Timeshare Interest," "Timeshare Condominium" etc., it cannot be plausibly read to allow weeks owned at other HOAs be combined to qualify for 13 month reservations.
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No, CC&Rs cannot be changed easily like rules. They are like the constitution of the HOA, and these specific reservation procedures are set forth therein. Notwithstanding the above, MVC has consistently and continually since I have owned, allowed such cross-owner reservations at 13 months.

However you read it- they allow you to do consecutive/concurrent reservations at different resorts- both ownerships do not have to be the same resort as long as the calendars line up correctly based on what you own.

 

[davidvel]

However you read it- they allow you to do consecutive/concurrent reservations at different resorts- both ownerships do not have to be the same resort as long as the calendars line up correctly based on what you own.

Yes, that is exactly what I said in the last sentence.