New Point Requirements to Trade Hyatt in II?

[mjm1]

I was just looking at potential trades in II using our Hyatt EEE points. It now shows our units for 2024. It appears that they are changing the points required for a trade, but it isn't clear to me. Is anyone else seeing this and has there been an announcement of any changes? I look forward to hearing what others are seeing and hearing.

 

[rpepper22]

I was just looking at potential trades in II using our Hyatt EEE points. It now shows our units for 2024. It appears that they are changing the points required for a trade, but it isn't clear to me. Is anyone else seeing this and has there been an announcement of any changes? I look forward to hearing what others are seeing and hearing.

I noticed the same thing this morning. I think the gig is up for us. They have caught on to what a good deal we had with the exchange into II. Good thing I booked a Hawaii trip while it was cheaper.

 

[DAman]

There’s an explanation posted in the FAQ section of the Hyatt Website on the new point values. It seems as though the II point values are floating depending on the property and season. The Hyatt points for our week remain the same. It is a large devaluation. It will take some time for me to digest this change. This coupled with the exchange fees makes using II very very expensive.

 

[Hindsite]

There’s an explanation posted in the FAQ section of the Hyatt Website on the new point values. It seems as though the II point values are floating depending on the property and season. The Hyatt points for our week remain the same. It is a large devaluation. It will take some time for me to digest this change. This coupled with the exchange fees makes using II very very expensive.

Ouch! That's not good for those of us that enjoy using the Hyatt inventory in II, don't want to see what's rare get even more rarer

 

[ScoopKona]

Summer weeks in San Francisco have more than doubled in points.

Weeks will become less rare because of this, no more. But they just became considerably more expensive. People can't do what we've been doing for the past 25 years -- leveraging the hell out of our week.

I've been expecting something like this for a long time. Marriott can't make MVC as good as the Hyatt system. So they're going to wreck Hyatt to make MVC look better.

 

[SteveinHNL]

Summer weeks in San Francisco have more than doubled in points.

Weeks will become less rare because of this, no more. But they just became considerably more expensive. People can't do what we've been doing for the past 25 years -- leveraging the hell out of our week.

I've been expecting something like this for a long time. Marriott can't make MVC as good as the Hyatt system. So they're going to wreck Hyatt to make MVC look better.

I guess your sticky post explanation of II trades will have to be changed from simplicity to who knows what on earth you will pay.

 

[dsmrp]

Wow., they did double the points needed for prime time trades
I actually have been using my points for club trades this year, so haven't looked in II for Hyatt points trades for quite a while.

I get an error in the II Mobile app
when I select any amount of points for searching.

 

[Hindsite]

I've been expecting something like this for a long time. Marriott can't make MVC as good as the Hyatt system. So they're going to wreck Hyatt to make MVC look better.

Are you talking about what the 2 points systems look like in II? 4,500 MVC club points for a 2-bed in Hyatt Coconut resort is about $3500 in MVC points maint fees, alternatively I can use my week that costs $1,700 in maint fees to get it. Not sure what the MFs for Coconut resort are, but I'm guessing they're closer to $3k than $2k. So that's great value for me, which I hope they aren't going to ruin.

 

[ScoopKona]

Are you talking about what the 2 points systems look like in II?

No.

 

[echino]

TL;DR: 2br went from 1,300 to 1,950 points.

 

[dioxide45]

So I found this old chart from a 2017 thread. Is there a new one to compare it to?

 

[echino]

Yes, but it's screwed up a bit:

Now points requirements don't just depend on season and size, but also on II resort rating. "Premier Elite" requires more points to trade into. In the chart above, first table is for Affiliate, second appears to be for Premier Elite, third for Preferred Residences, and Select table is missing. At least that's how I read it. And, the web programming is crewed up, you can only click on affiliate numbers, so you cannot trade into anything above 1,750 points at the moment due to links not working.

 

[echino]

I played a bit with it, and I have not found any resorts pricing according to Affiliate table. All Marriott, Westin, Hyatt, Welk, etc. are pricing according to the most expensive "Premier Elite" table, even those rated with a gold symbol in II. I guess they grouped "Elite" and "Premier" into one category.

 

[Soccer Canada]

It's impossible to give these points away now. 20% maintenance increase and now a 50-100% increase for Interval weeks... Your better off just having a low mainteance timeshare and using Getaway Weeks in II or RCI..

 

[Soccer Canada]

https://thelounge.hyattvacationclub.com/owner-resources/faq-platinum-1

This is in the FAQ section... Supposedly there is a new point chart somewhere on II, but I can't find it or any mention of it

 

[PerryKing]

Are you talking about what the 2 points systems look like in II? 4,500 MVC club points for a 2-bed in Hyatt Coconut resort is about $3500 in MVC points maint fees, alternatively I can use my week that costs $1,700 in maint fees to get it. Not sure what the MFs for Coconut resort are, but I'm guessing they're closer to $3k than $2k. So that's great value for me, which I hope they aren't going to ruin.

Coconut Plantation (Cove) maintenace fee this year is $1664.54 and it does not matter the week you own. All units and weeks are the same Maintenance fee and all are two bedrooms.

When I bought new in 2003, before construction , the fee was $1300. And has been in that range for the past 20 years. This year the hurricane upset the apple cart some amoung other increased cost and a reserve increase.

 

[Hindsite]

Coconut Plantation (Cove) maintenace fee this year is about $1664 and it does not matter the week you own. All units and weeks are the same Maintenance fee and all are wo bedrooms.

When I bought new in 2003 before construction even, the fee was $1300. And has been in that range for the past 20 years. This year the hurricane upset the apple cart some amoung other inceased cost and reserve increase.

Thanks, thats a good MF. I still want to go as it looks worth exchanging my MVC Orlando for.
Many thanks

 

[dioxide45]

Thanks, thats a good MF. I still want to go as it looks worth exchanging my MVC Orlando for.
Many thanks

We've used our MVC Orlando weeks to trade into Coconut Cove and also Windward Point in Key West. We also see a number of other Hyatt resorts we can trade into. It seems like a good deal. Unfortunately this thread is about the raw deal that Hyatt owners are getting when trying to trade out, possibly into top tier resorts like Marriott. Hyatt owners can't use II to trade Hyatt to Hyatt.

 

[marmite]

This is terrible news, and I absolutely empathize with Hyatt owners. Those Hyatt weeks that we love to see in Interval, are going to dry up if owners no longer see exchanging as a deal for them. Given that some areas (like Hawaii) are always high TDI, this makes a trade into a two-bedroom very expensive, even if you're doing it with points from Wild Oak or Pinon Pointe.

 

[travelhacker]

This is ugly. I will say that things were probably too favorable for us, and with this change it overcorrected.

For example, I was browsing inventory and a 1 bedroom in Maui at a non branded resort is 1500 points (considered high season). A diamond week within Hyatt is 1450 points.

Hyatt resorts are (almost) all rated as elite premier within interval, and to see us valued below that hurts.

Alternatively something like worldmark you can get a 150 TDI week at an elite premier for 10000 worldmark credits (which is a two bedroom during high season). I don’t think there’s a single elite premier worldmark resort. Lastly, I don’t see any discount for flexchange like what we see with worldmark credits.

Interval has almost always been a bit of a last resort when trading with Hyatt for me, but it was nice to have a good option if it looked like I was going to have extra points.

I think it will be very rare for me to exchange within interval now.

 

[dsmrp]

Yeah, I'm going to do more CUP exchanges or stay at my home resort.
Fortunately I did buy where I want to go. Trading 3/4 of my pts from my 2 bdrm platinum week for a 1 bdrm + the exchange fee is simply not worth it.

 

[travelhacker]

Yep, if it was straight points, maybe it could be worth it for more options, but the exchange fee makes it a non starter.

 

[DK3]

I am glad I did my e-trade on Saturday. I looked today to do another trade and saw all the increases.

 

[escanoe]

I almost bought into Hyatt in 2020 for a diamond key west week. Figured I would trade it in II at least half the time if I bought it. Glad I didn’t pull the trigger. Hard to speculate how it changes things, but if I had bought that Key West week … I would probably be more inclined to rent it for cash than trade in II.

 

[mjm1]

Thanks for all the insights on this issue. We mostly stay at our resort or exchange within the Hyatt system. However, we do have 870 EEE points we are planning to use. This change is very unfortunate and will keep us from using II in the future unless absolutely necessary.