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Hey everyone! Ive gone to many, many presentations over the years for the gifts and discounted lodging etc but im now wanting to buy. I'm doing my research and I'm pretty sure i want to go with MVC. i can get points for basically free on tesale but im seeing a transfer fee or something like based on the amount of points. 1500 would cost like $10k for example to get them registered to mvc i think. can domeone here explain this more to me?
 
Unlikely to be free, check rofr.net for what they are currently exercising at. That will be your guide on a price. In the club stickie is this info on resale fees.
If you haven't filled in the new to timesharing form in the forum, give it a go and see what people think would work for your need.

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Hey everyone! Ive gone to many, many presentations over the years for the gifts and discounted lodging etc but im now wanting to buy. I'm doing my research and I'm pretty sure i want to go with MVC. i can get points for basically free on tesale but im seeing a transfer fee or something like based on the amount of points. 1500 would cost like $10k for example to get them registered to mvc i think. can domeone here explain this more to me?


The transfer fee is about $3/pt. It can also change to $4, $5 or whatever Marriott decides in the future (it was $1 in 2010). If points are close to "free" now, how easy do you think it will be to sell (or possibly just give away) those points if the transfer fee was $5 in a few years when maintenance fees are over $1/point?

Do you see much value in the points charts where you like to go at the current $0.79c in maintenance fees? A 2BR OV on Maui is over $5000 just in annual fees for the higher demand periods, so the value is not in Hawaii. Where do you travel? What's the value you are trying to get from the points ownership?
 
The transfer fee is about $3/pt. It can also change to $4, $5 or whatever Marriott decides in the future (it was $1 in 2010). If points are close to "free" now, how easy do you think it will be to sell (or possibly just give away) those points if the transfer fee was $5 in a few years when maintenance fees are over $1/point?

Do you see much value in the points charts where you like to go at the current $0.79c in maintenance fees? A 2BR OV on Maui is over $5000 just in annual fees for the higher demand periods, so the value is not in Hawaii. Where do you travel? What's the value you are trying to get from the points ownership?
great questions! thankyou. i think we would mainly stay in the marriott system. not using II very much. hilton head, hawaii, cancun would ve where we go mostly. do you think its better just to rent individual weeks compared to owning? i like the flexibility of that i just havent looked to much at the rental prices. i assume the maintenance fee cost would be cheaper?
 
great questions! thankyou. i think we would mainly stay in the marriott system. not using II very much. hilton head, hawaii, cancun would ve where we go mostly. do you think its better just to rent individual weeks compared to owning? i like the flexibility of that i just havent looked to much at the rental prices. i assume the maintenance fee cost would be cheaper?


I think it depends when and where you go. If you own, you are required to pay maintenance fees, which can (and sometimes do) go up a lot in a given year. Also, unlike buying a deeded week, if you buy MVC points that $3/point junk fee, which is most of the upfront cost, is something you never recover. If you rent from an owner, you just pay a rental fee with no further obligation.

Maintenance fees may or may not be cheaper than rentals. And the question is which maintenance fees (week or points). For example, booking a summer week at Newport Coast Villas (2BR) will cost you 4725 points - you can probably rent that week from an owner for $3600-$4000, which is cheaper than the MFs on the 4725 points. An weeks owner would rent at that price because weeks owners pay MFs of about $1900 (although, getting to the point of MF increases, it was $1430 as recently as 2 years ago). So if you wanted NCV in the summer, there wouldn't be much advantage to owning points. Maybe there was a few years ago when point MFs was in the $0.50s but the advantage has eroded. And if you find other places where owning points is advantageous, it may not stay that way for long.

You may be better off buying a few Marriott deeded weeks and just use them at the locations you are interested in. You may also find more value in looking at the Vistana system (also part of Marriott Vacation Club but has its own internal points exchange system) and buy a resale week at a place like Westin Kierland, which is one of a handful of resorts where resale weeks can also trade internally with points within Westin/Sheraton and Harborside (Atlantis) timeshares. Buying resale at Kierland, or one of the other "mandatory" Vistana resorts will give you access to Westin and Sheratons in Maui, Kauai, Cancun, Myrtle Beach, and Caribbean and a couple of other places.
 
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stay in the marriott system. not using II very much. hilton head, hawaii, cancun would ve where we go mostly.
Take a bit more time to learn about the MVC system, points and deeded weeks and look into Sheraton and Westin too so you understand more broadly what your choices are.
Cancun is Westin, and not MVC, there isn't much inventory in the MVC points system for that and none can permanently go in as the points trust is US property only. If you can use a studio or 1-bed at Westin Lagunamar, II is a good option, if you want a 2-bed that's much rarer in II and buying a resale week at Lagunamar is a better plan.
HHI and Hawaii may have more ownership in the MVC weeks system, and be easier to get via II than via Abound. Make sure you check before you assume that you'll be able to get what you want when you want in Abound. Lots of people don't bother to check the difference between what can theoretically be booked and what can actually be booked, and then get disappointed when its just not there when they want it.
If you want HHI in low season, you'll do very well with MVC points, if you want it high season it might be a lot harder than via II or renting.
 
I think it depends when and where you go. If you own, you are required to pay maintenance fees, which can (and sometimes do) go up a lot in a given year. Also, unlike buying a deeded week, if you buy MVC points that $3/point junk fee, which is most of the upfront cost, is something you never recover. If you rent from an owner, you just pay a rental fee with no further obligation.

Maintenance fees may or may not be cheaper than rentals. And the question is which maintenance fees (week or points). For example, booking a summer week at Newport Coast Villas (2BR) will cost you 4725 points - you can probably rent that week from an owner for $3600-$4000, which is cheaper than the MFs on the 4725 points. An weeks owner would rent at that price because weeks owners pay MFs or about $1900 (although, getting to the point of MF increases, it was $1430 as recently as 2 years ago). So if you wanted NCV in the summer, there wouldn't be much advantage to owning points. Maybe there was a few years ago when point MFs was in the $0.50s but the advantage has eroded. And if you find other places where owning points is advantageous, it may not stay that way for long.

You may be better off buying a few Marriott deeded weeks and just use them at the locations you are interested in. You may also find more value in looking at the Vistana system (also part of Marriott Vacation Club but has its own internal points exchange system) and buy a resale week at a place like Westin Kierland, which is one of a handful of resorts where resale weeks can also trade internally with points within Westin/Sheraton and Harborside (Atlantis) timeshares. Buying resale at Kierland, or one of the other "mandatory" Vistana resorts will give you access to Westin and Sheratons in Maui, Kauai, Cancun, Myrtle Beach, and Caribbean and a couple of other places.
ok great advice...i'll look into that in my research. thank you so much!
 
Hey everyone! Ive gone to many, many presentations over the years for the gifts and discounted lodging etc but im now wanting to buy. I'm doing my research and I'm pretty sure i want to go with MVC. i can get points for basically free on tesale but im seeing a transfer fee or something like based on the amount of points. 1500 would cost like $10k for example to get them registered to mvc i think. can domeone here explain this more to me?
Those sales that are close to free are likely not going to an individual buyer in the end but instead being claimed by Marriott during its ROFR (right of first refusal) process. The seller still gets their money but the buyer is out of luck and has to start over. We never know exactly at what price Marriott will step in and takeover a sale but one tool to get an idea is rofr.net where owners self report their experience. The most recent listings (Marriott, Destination Club Points) may indicate a price per point of $3.80 and above has some chance of passing ROFR. On top of that you add in the fees you listed including $3 a point ($3K minumum) initiation/enrollment fee to make the points work in the system like they should. Plan on it working out to be somewhere in the $7-$7.50 range all in with a good chance of having your purchase making it through. Some purchasers keep trying those lowballs sales in hopes of somehow getting one by the goalie but that requires being willing to possibly fail repeatedly and lose all the time and effort...not an approach for everyone.
 
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I think it depends when and where you go. If you own, you are required to pay maintenance fees, which can (and sometimes do) go up a lot in a given year. Also, unlike buying a deeded week, if you buy MVC points that $3/point junk fee, which is most of the upfront cost, is something you never recover. If you rent from an owner, you just pay a rental fee with no further obligation.

Maintenance fees may or may not be cheaper than rentals. And the question is which maintenance fees (week or points). For example, booking a summer week at Newport Coast Villas (2BR) will cost you 4725 points - you can probably rent that week from an owner for $3600-$4000, which is cheaper than the MFs on the 4725 points. An weeks owner would rent at that price because weeks owners pay MFs or about $1900 (although, getting to the point of MF increases, it was $1430 as recently as 2 years ago). So if you wanted NCV in the summer, there wouldn't be much advantage to owning points. Maybe there was a few years ago when point MFs was in the $0.50s but the advantage has eroded. And if you find other places where owning points is advantageous, it may not stay that way for long.

You may be better off buying a few Marriott deeded weeks and just use them at the locations you are interested in. You may also find more value in looking at the Vistana system (also part of Marriott Vacation Club but has its own internal points exchange system) and buy a resale week at a place like Westin Kierland, which is one of a handful of resorts where resale weeks can also trade internally with points within Westin/Sheraton and Harborside (Atlantis) timeshares. Buying resale at Kierland, or one of the other "mandatory" Vistana resorts will give you access to Westin and Sheratons in Maui, Kauai, Cancun, Myrtle Beach, and Caribbean and a couple of other places.
ok great advice...i'll look into that in my research. thank you so much
Those sales that are close to free are likely not going to an individual buyer in the end but instead being claimed by Marriott during its ROFR (right of first refusal) process. The seller still gets their money but the buyer is out of luck and has to start over. We never know exactly at what price Marriott will step in and takeover a sale but one tool to get an idea is rofr.net where owners self report their experience. The most recent listings (Marriott, Destination Club Points) may indicate a price per point of $3.80 and above has some chance of passing ROFR. On top of that you add in the fees you listed including $3 a point ($3K minumum) initiation/enrollment fee to make the points work in the system like they should. Plan on it working out to be somewhere in the $7-$7.50 range all in with a good chance of having your purchase making it through. Some purchasers keep trying those lowballs sales in hopes of somehow getting one by the goalie but that requires being willing to possibly fail repeatedly and lose all the time and effort...not an approach for everyone.
oh intetesting...this is the first ive heard of the reason for this. that certainly helps determine if it makes sense...thanks!
 
so for you point owners....how many points to book a week stay in may at baroney beach hilton head for example?
 
so for you point owners....how many points to book a week stay in may at baroney beach hilton head for example?
It depends on when and for how many nights and whether it includes Fri and Sat, take a look:
 
It depends on when and for how many nights and whether it includes Fri and Sat, take a look:
oh perfect! thanks!!
 
Hey everyone! Ive gone to many, many presentations over the years for the gifts and discounted lodging etc but im now wanting to buy. I'm doing my research and I'm pretty sure i want to go with MVC. i can get points for basically free on tesale but im seeing a transfer fee or something like based on the amount of points. 1500 would cost like $10k for example to get them registered to mvc i think. can domeone here explain this more to me?
Not sure where to post this but the 12/29/23 Zach's report listed MVC VAC as Bear of the Day. MVC cites the Maui fires and loan defaults as the reason and intimates it's not going to be a quick return from these misfortunes. MVC might want to start sweetening their "deals." Just a point of interest.
 
go to redweek and rent whatever weeks you want each year.
You don't have to do any research and as the years go by, it will probably save you a lot of money.
There are enough weeks everywhere and not everyone uses them every year, so many make it to the rental pool.
Maintenance fees already exceed rental prices for many weeks in the Marriott system, and it probably will not be long until that is universally true.
 
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