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[ 2023 ] Open Letter to Shell Vacations Club Owners West Association

Has anyone figured out a reasonable way to add guest names to a reservation? I called to add my dad to a Peacock Suites reservation they were using and it took like 5 phone calls, where the resolution was basically "check in using your sons name and we'll make a note". Which worked OK (and us having the same uncommon last name probably helped) but doesn't seem optimal...
Shell will do a three-way call with you and the front desk at Peacock Suites. I have done that about four times over the last couple of years.

If you add the guest name immediately, upon booking the unit, you don't have to worry about anything. That name will stay on the reservation.

Shell will eventually no longer have a functioning website. So much of the ease of using the website has diminished, and it's happened gradually.
 
As there is no way to contact the board directly, I mailed the following letter to Wyndham to forward to the board and decided to share here as well. Very frustrating to send this type of question to the board through the Wyndham "filters" and receive the generic corporate response in return. Does our board get feedback from owners? Is there opportunity for a town hall type meeting? We love our membership but we don't appreciate the lack of communication, absence of two-way communication with owners and the decisions made to please TNL shareholders at expense of owner satisfaction.

Letter:
I am writing to the board members to express my concern that decisions are made unilaterally by our management company, Wyndham, with a negative impact to the owners of Shell Owners Association West without effective direction from our association board to preserve the value and satisfaction of our owners. Our Shell Owners Association Board must serve with the interest of the owners when conducting business with our management company. Decision made by the board, or passively allowed by the board, that erode that our benefit of ownership are contrary to your responsibilities as board members.

I am aware of the symbiotic and balanced relationship that the association must maintain with the management company for mutual benefit. I understand both entities must be able to thrive. However, with Wyndham employee representatives serving on the board, many decisions are heavily in Wyndham’s favor. The board must be stronger at asking Wyndham to respect the balance of the relationship and advocate to preserve the ownership satisfaction. There is corporate benefit to care for the welfare of the members.

I have a few examples I’d like to share.

First and foremost, I have found it incredibly dissatisfying that Wyndham took the earliest opportunity possible to force our owners from Interval International, provider of high quality resorts and great customer service, to RCI with many sub-par, and aging properties. As a grandfathered Elite member, we were provided “RCI Platinum” memberships. Most of the benefits are a farce. I’ve never experiences the unit size upgrade and many of the premium properties are come with huge exchange fees – not the base fee of $99. The membership is not the same value that was provided with Interval International. Shouldn’t the membership have some voice in this matter? Where was the board in this decision? I understand that the exchange company selection ultimately belongs to Wyndham. The board has every right to question this decision and pressure Wyndham to do what’s right for the owner. They didn’t – Wyndham profits are more important that owner satisfaction. I asked if I could purchase an Interval International Membership directly and Interval International said that they could not work with me directly as Shell Vacations Club ended exchange agreements with them. Board members, why are you allowing our club manager to limit our choices? Why are you allowing them to force us to exchange only with RCI (owned by Wyndham). Can you not represent the owners? More exchange options make for a stronger club with higher satisfaction. That is why you represent owners as board members. Please do your job. Advocate for more exchange options and don’t lock us in. Wyndham has found a way to offer both Interval International and RCI to Worldmark Owners. Why can’t we do the same? Perhaps the Worldmark Board was more protective of owner value?

Secondly, I have been presented with the threat that I need to convert to Wyndham Club Prefer West before all the inventory dries up, before I am the only one paying maintenance fees to support SVC, before the neglected website stops working. The salespeople love to promote the death of SVC for the benefit of Club Wyndham sales. Actually, I support the idea and think there is simplicity to one club/one system. I believe I have a good understanding of the structure behind the conversion. For the most part, the VIP benefits and Elite benefits align well enough with one exception. As a Shell Vacations Club Grandfathered Elite, I have the RCI platinum with some exchanges at $99, even if it isn’t my preferred exchange provider. If I convert, I get regular RCI with a $279 exchange fee. That is crazy. My annual fees don’t see a reduction, but I would almost triple my RCI exchange fee. I would not even have the opportunity to pay for the higher level of RCI. Again, I would also not be able to pursue a membership with Interval International. (With significantly lower exchange fees and higher quality accommodations).

I have grown accustomed to the slow erosion of services and programs provided since Wyndham’s acquisition and I have learned to ignore the death toll that the salespeople predict for the unfortunate SVC owners. I realized long ago that this is not a brand that Wyndham will develop further – they will just work to generate revenue in the assimilation process. I resign to the fact that we will continue to be Wyndhamized as much as possible.

I just ask that you, the board, remember your duty to the owners to MANAGE the company that we have contracted with to run our properties. YOU have an influence over the benefits that the management company offers. If nothing else, we deserve choices when exchanging. None of us ever gave up our rights to exchange with II or RCI. What gives Wyndham that right to block our ability to trade and why is our board not representing the owners?

As the industry consolidates and the supply chains become consolidated and vertical, it seems that there may need to be more consumer protections added to real estate code to protect the owners. It may be a good time to legislate a higher burden of responsibility to association boards to require management companies to make decisions in the best interests of owners. Perhaps all associations should be required to seek an open market request for proposal for timeshare association management contracts on a periodic basis?
Very good letter that says what needs to be said. But I will be very surprised if you get a reply. I am a Shell Owner of a deeded week at Paniolo Greens on Hawaii Big Island. Purchased in 1989. Maintenance fees finally reached just over $1000 dollars payable in December of 2023. We have not gotten our bill for the 2024 fees but I am expecting a painful increase. We have never stayed a week at Paniolo Greens in all these years we have always traded our week and gone somewhere else. We have always been RCI members. But we are finally going to our home property this year for Christmas.
But let me tell you WHY we are actually going to our home property the week of Christmas. In the past 20 yrs of ownership we called Shell reservations and booked the week that we wanted and then we called RCI and “space banked” the week with them and had 2 yrs to travel/trade.
Most every year I requested a holiday week which generated more “trading power” with RCI and I always got trades into highly ranked properties at my requested dates.
This year when I called I booked Christmas week of 2023. I called RCI and was told I could not “space bank” the week that I had to call Shell ( now actually Wyndham) and they would space bank the week. So I called back to reservations and explained what RCI told me. When I told told the agent on the phone when my reservation was, she said,
“ Oh you cannot “space bank” a holiday week.” Well I always have in the past 20 some years so why can’t I now? She came back with some kind of nonsense about that week is not available for for reservation and it was not released inventory blah blah. I told her I have a reservation for that week. I can space bank it, I can travel there myself, I can give it to a family member or friend to use. It is MY reserved week etc.etc. She absolutely would not agree to call RCI and spacebank it for me! Then, a month later I get an e-mail from RCI thanking me for space banking my week! I go to my RCI account and sure enough a week in November of 2023 has been space banked into my account. Totally unbeknown to me and not by my request.
So I call Shell reservation and ask who did this and why? “Electra” gets on the line and says it was done because they wanted me to have a week spaced banked for 2023 and since they cannot or would not allow me to space bank the Christmas week they went ahead and space-banked a non holiday November week of lesser trade value.
Well guess what folks…. I called Paniolo Greens and confirmed that I in fact had a reservation for Christmas and since I could not space bank it I am going there for Christmas because I’ll be damned if I was going to cancel it and settle for the lesser valued week of November. However, the week in November that they forced on me remained in my account and in fact has already been traveled on. So as far as I can see I got two weeks for one Maintenence fee and I still have some credits left over from the November week.
So my question is, if We the owners at Paniolo Greens cannot reserve and space bank a valuable holiday week then what are they ( Wyndam) doing with all the valuable holiday weeks. My guess is they are renting them to the general public at a very premium fee! Anybody care to chime in on this situation? I would love to know if any other Shell Vacation weeks owners have run into this situation?
 
Very good letter that says what needs to be said. But I will be very surprised if you get a reply. I am a Shell Owner of a deeded week at Paniolo Greens on Hawaii Big Island. Purchased in 1989. Maintenance fees finally reached just over $1000 dollars payable in December of 2023. We have not gotten our bill for the 2024 fees but I am expecting a painful increase. We have never stayed a week at Paniolo Greens in all these years we have always traded our week and gone somewhere else. We have always been RCI members. But we are finally going to our home property this year for Christmas.
But let me tell you WHY we are actually going to our home property the week of Christmas. In the past 20 yrs of ownership we called Shell reservations and booked the week that we wanted and then we called RCI and “space banked” the week with them and had 2 yrs to travel/trade.
Most every year I requested a holiday week which generated more “trading power” with RCI and I always got trades into highly ranked properties at my requested dates.
This year when I called I booked Christmas week of 2023. I called RCI and was told I could not “space bank” the week that I had to call Shell ( now actually Wyndham) and they would space bank the week. So I called back to reservations and explained what RCI told me. When I told told the agent on the phone when my reservation was, she said,
“ Oh you cannot “space bank” a holiday week.” Well I always have in the past 20 some years so why can’t I now? She came back with some kind of nonsense about that week is not available for for reservation and it was not released inventory blah blah. I told her I have a reservation for that week. I can space bank it, I can travel there myself, I can give it to a family member or friend to use. It is MY reserved week etc.etc. She absolutely would not agree to call RCI and spacebank it for me! Then, a month later I get an e-mail from RCI thanking me for space banking my week! I go to my RCI account and sure enough a week in November of 2023 has been space banked into my account. Totally unbeknown to me and not by my request.
So I call Shell reservation and ask who did this and why? “Electra” gets on the line and says it was done because they wanted me to have a week spaced banked for 2023 and since they cannot or would not allow me to space bank the Christmas week they went ahead and space-banked a non holiday November week of lesser trade value.
Well guess what folks…. I called Paniolo Greens and confirmed that I in fact had a reservation for Christmas and since I could not space bank it I am going there for Christmas because I’ll be damned if I was going to cancel it and settle for the lesser valued week of November. However, the week in November that they forced on me remained in my account and in fact has already been traveled on. So as far as I can see I got two weeks for one Maintenence fee and I still have some credits left over from the November week.
So my question is, if We the owners at Paniolo Greens cannot reserve and space bank a valuable holiday week then what are they ( Wyndam) doing with all the valuable holiday weeks. My guess is they are renting them to the general public at a very premium fee! Anybody care to chime in on this situation? I would love to know if any other Shell Vacation weeks owners have run into this situation?
We no longer own SVC (gave it back via Certified Exit) but we do own two deeded weeks at Kona Coast, which is in the same Shell Hawaii Club as Paniolo Greens and now managed by Wyndham. And as my father before me always did, in 2021 I reserved two holiday season weeks for 2024 (we can book 24 months before checkin) but did not deposit them to RCI, hoping we might use them ourselves. Earlier this year it became clear that we can't use them, so I listed them for rent on RedWeek. One week rented quickly, but several weeks later I received an email from RedWeek stating they had canceled my listing for the other week because it was for an Owner Priority week and I could not have guests there without me. I called KCR and confirmed that because it’s a deeded week, I have the right to rent it, but I decided not to fight with RedWeek and listed it on Koala, where it has sat for months.

This long story is to say that your problem may be the same as mine - Wyndham, RCI, RedWeek are all treating deeded weeks as if they come under the same restrictions as Wyndham points reservation weeks. KCR told me that they can tell RedWeek our week isn’t restricted, but at the time I didn’t think that would be useful, since prospective renters can look up the Owner Priority dates and think they apply. That might be what the issue is with my Koala listing. (The cost of airfare to Hawaii doesn’t help, either.)
 
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@TheHolleys87 After the fire on Maui, I think a lot of people will be changing their Christmas plans to other islands, and maybe your week will rent. Koala has a lot of listings, but I am always hoping for more actual renters. I have about 10 with them. If I get those rented, I will be a happy camper.

Redweek apparently has a lot of people who do not understand the concept of deeded non-converted weeks. Redweek won't verify and protect my Grand Palms weeks because I have to reserve them through RCI at 10+ months out. These are my deeded weeks. My only real gripe about reserving these weeks (I reserve free, no exchange fee as my owned weeks) is that I have to pay RCI a guest confirmation fee.

Before Wyndham's takeover, which is not all that bad for Grand Palms in keeping fees under control (formerly Pres Villas at Plantation), I could email the resort manager, who is still the manager, and she would change the name for me. That changed, and I am forced to pay RCI. That guest confirmation comes from RCI now.

Koala asked for an explanation, I told Koala how it worked and that this was not a rental of an exchange week, this is the only way for me to reserve my deeded weeks, and Koala understood.
 
Koala asked for an explanation, I told Koala how it worked and that this was not a rental of an exchange week, this is the only way for me to reserve my deeded weeks, and Koala understood.
Do your listings on Koala indicate that those weeks are not subject to the Owner Priority restrictions, for benefit of potential renters who are familiar with those rules?
 
Do your listings on Koala indicate that those weeks are not subject to the Owner Priority restrictions, for benefit of potential renters who are familiar with those rules?
I don't think that's a thing they add to a listing, is it?

I am reserving with RCI, so I reserve summer weeks, usually July 4th.

I am selling my weeks for this very reason. I have considered taking the last ones out of RCI Points, but I think RCI Points provides a little bit of a guarantee that my weeks will be safe from Wyndham, but Wyndham owns RCI. I can see the writing on the wall.

I have sold all but two EOY weeks at Grand Palms, if the guy actually follows through with purchasing the last annual week. LT Transfers still handles the transfer because the transfer takes place at the resort level and not with Wyndham corporate. I see that changing at some point.

At one time, I had four annual and two EOY 3 bed lockoffs. They were amazing traders, but that changed about 8 years ago. I sold my first one 2-3 years ago, and I change the ad on RW to the new deeded week number I am selling. All of our weeks float weeks 20-38. Prime summer in Myrtle Beach.

The weeks don't seem to get many points with Wyndham.

I have to add that I think Wyndham's takeover of Shell has been a bad thing for Shell owners. I was at first happy with the move, but as with everything Wyndham lately, the rules they are imposing are hurting owners.

Being a Founder's Owner with Wyndham gives me extra discounts on stays, and I can book anything in Shell much cheaper in Wyndham.
 
When the management company owns the exchange company, shouldn’t the the decision be left to the owners or at least be more transparent? Why are we not allowed to exchange with either major exchange company? Just considering the exchange fee alone, how to they justify selecting the exchange company with much higher fees. “Suck it up” implies that I shouldn’t express my frustration that the board isn’t setting expectations from that management company that we pay for services… I’d prefer answers.


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Pick your fights or you'll be that guy on youtube yelling at the Walmart and Starbucks clerks.
 
If any Shell Owners Association West board members read this, I want to provide a quick update from our recent annual board meeting. Mr. Timothy Dierks, VP of Owner Utilization responded to a question I had written that SVC owners can exchange with II by booking a Shell week and exchanging directly with II. After the meeting, I met with him individually and explained that I’d had difficulties with any method of exchange with II since there is no “agreement” between SVC and II. Mr. Dierks assured me that he would follow-up with that once he returned to the office. We exchanged contact information. I did not hear anything. I have reached out several times requesting an update. No response. I have copied other Wyndham employed board members. No response from anyone. Is there no responsibility to follow-up on statements made in a public forum in front of our board? Is it ok that he lied in front of the board without further communication? Is this the Wyndham way? I expect this from the sales people, not executives with responsibility to be truthful and exhibit integrity. This is the management company that filters/controls all information put before our board. Disgusting and broken.


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If any Shell Owners Association West board members read this, I want to provide a quick update from our recent annual board meeting. Mr. Timothy Dierks, VP of Owner Utilization responded to a question I had written that SVC owners can exchange with II by booking a Shell week and exchanging directly with II. After the meeting, I met with him individually and explained that I’d had difficulties with any method of exchange with II since there is no “agreement” between SVC and II. Mr. Dierks assured me that he would follow-up with that once he returned to the office. We exchanged contact information. I did not hear anything. I have reached out several times requesting an update. No response. I have copied other Wyndham employed board members. No response from anyone. Is there no responsibility to follow-up on statements made in a public forum in front of our board? Is it ok that he lied in front of the board without further communication? Is this the Wyndham way? I expect this from the sales people, not executives with responsibility to be truthful and exhibit integrity. This is the management company that filters/controls all information put before our board. Disgusting and broken.


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You might want to consider deeding back your Shell ownership to Wyndham. I would buy an II trader, like a Marriott platinum season week, learn to use it and be better off for it. We have been extremely happy with II and our Marriott exchanges. I have already contacted Wyndham about deeding back our Shell. There is no reason to keep it, and Wyndham sure doesn't want me as an owner. I will lose a lot of points that I deposited into RCI. They will be gone forever. Oh, well. RCI is something I can use (in a pinch) with Wyndham.
 
That would be a last option for us. We have grandfathered elite and do go to Vino Bello frequently with over 20k points. Also appreciate low exchange fees with RCI Platinum when we do find something. It isn’t all bad. I just don’t believe that the developer should have the right to prevent you to exchange freely with the exchange system of your choice (at your own cost). I should have the freedom to self affiliate. The vertical monopoly of the industry is taking away owner benefits.


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I just don’t believe that the developer should have the right to prevent you to exchange freely with the exchange system of your choice (at your own cost). I should have the freedom to self affiliate.
Would you be willing to pay the cost to retrofit Interval's and Wyndham's IT systems to be compatible and allow for seamless (not requiring manual intervention every single transaction) exchanges? It's not a trivial cost, and depending on the project can sometimes run from hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. If you're not paying it, then there is a cost to Wyndham, which they have no incentive to pay if they don't have a contract/agreement getting something in return from Interval.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer to be able to exchange in both RCI and Interval, but I can understand why most systems and resorts don't have the ability to do so. It requires business-to-business cooperation which requires resources, to include time, money and man-hours. Long gone are the days when these types of things are done completely over the phone or on paper without the exchange company and timeshare company IT systems actually having to work and interact with each other. And even for manual paper or over-the-phone exchanges take resources in the form of personnel having to do that work.

Aside from time and effort and sheer improbability of individually finding a match in the vast internet, nothing is stopping you from manually finding someone who wants to use your week in exchange for their week, and doing the guest name process separately in each system. Most timeshare companies aren't preventing you from doing that. The exchange companies came into being to make it easier to facilitate this, and to go from direct party-to-party exchanges to multi-party indirect exchanges, but each of those companies are a business that takes your money to do that facilitating. The timeshare companies have no obligation to enable those businesses making a profit without getting something in return from them.
 
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We no longer own SVC (gave it back via Certified Exit) but we do own two deeded weeks at Kona Coast, which is in the same Shell Hawaii Club as Paniolo Greens and now managed by Wyndham. And as my father before me always did, in 2021 I reserved two holiday season weeks for 2024 (we can book 24 months before checkin) but did not deposit them to RCI, hoping we might use them ourselves. Earlier this year it became clear that we can't use them, so I listed them for rent on RedWeek. One week rented quickly, but several weeks later I received an email from RedWeek stating they had canceled my listing for the other week because it was for an Owner Priority week and I could not have guests there without me. I called KCR and confirmed that because it’s a deeded week, I have the right to rent it, but I decided not to fight with RedWeek and listed it on Koala, where it has sat for months.

This long story is to say that your problem may be the same as mine - Wyndham, RCI, RedWeek are all treating deeded weeks as if they come under the same restrictions as Wyndham points reservation weeks. KCR told me that they can tell RedWeek our week isn’t restricted, but at the time I didn’t think that would be useful, since prospective renters can look up the Owner Priority dates and think they apply. That might be what the issue is with my Koala listing. (The cost of airfare to Hawaii doesn’t help, either.)
We just deeded our Shell points back to them because the maintenance fees are too high. No regrets. I too liked to transfer into II. No longer worth the month.
 
The phase, conflict of interest comes to mind in the decisions made by Wyndham.
 
When the management company owns the exchange company, shouldn’t the the decision be left to the owners or at least be more transparent? Why are we not allowed to exchange with either major exchange company? Just considering the exchange fee alone, how to they justify selecting the exchange company with much higher fees. “Suck it up” implies that I shouldn’t express my frustration that the board isn’t setting expectations from that management company that we pay for services… I’d prefer answers.


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Because at the end of the day and in the final analysis the company in question, Travel & Leisure, is a publicly held entity with a primary fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders to increase revenues and profits (and therefore increasing stock dividends to shareholders). Sometimes those responsibilities align with prioritizing the timeshare owners and sometimes they do not. In this case it does not, as using a foreign entity such as II directly results in lost fees for RCI - an entity that is wholly owned by T&L. Money talks...
 
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20+ years ago, I bought a week at Inn at the Opera (San Francisco). No fee to make reservations; no fee to split the week multiple times (but only one weekend). When Shell first got started in I at O (I think around the depression that started in 2008), I was told I could buy into Shell for some outrageous amount and could still use my week if I chose but would get Shell points to use in a variety of places. The number of points would not be enough, though, to rent my week back if I deposited it (though I could keep that week). It still seemed weird to me that they wouldn't offer enough POINTS to rent my own week. Still, I agreed to purchase a "trial" package for $1600 to be paid over two years and I could try out various Shell properties. Lo and behold when it was paid off after the two years, I had used up the time period to use the package as well. That certainly made it clear that I should stay far far away from Shell.

I'm so grateful I just stuck with I at O. I'm an opera nut so it was unlikely I'd use Shell unless I somehow added points but I'm glad to be out of it. Wyndham (which took over Shell) has fired most of the personnel I used to know and who recognized me. I assume they lowered salaries in so doing - I never see the same people two years in a row. They did away with the wonderful free breakfast and seem to be charging so much for the restaurant space that no one will rent it and of course the maintenance fee has more than doubled since I purchased. For comparison, it used to be SO much less expensive than hotels in the area but now it is comparable. They did a half decent remodel of the place but somehow couldn't be bothered adding central heating or AC. Still I at O is a very wonderful place for music, theater, and opera lovers - even if downtown San Francisco is going downhill rapidly.
Im also an I a O owner from 2008 and have observed a similar situation. No more Plaj, no more brekke, and poor service with ever-increasing maintenance fees. I called Wyndham today to see if Inn at the Opera from Shell is available for their "Qualified Exit" program (you get out for free, both parties walk away). It is not.
So I'm heading over to the giveaway site here and elsewhere. Any luck on $1 resales?
 
Have you been able to deed it back to Shell? If so, can you explain how you did it?
Yes. I think there was a thread in here that explains how to deed it back. Also, I think when you log into your account there’s an option to deed back to Shell.
 
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