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DVC Newbie advice please

pbaris

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Hello,

We are Presidential in Marriott... But would like to dip our toe into DVC since there is value to us to staying on site for the reservation windows and early/late hours. We go to Disney multiple times per year and would like 1 of the trips to be onsite - we always travel during non peak periods.

Are there good posts to explain pros/cons of resale/developer deals. Does it really matter where should we buy since we don't need spring break or summer etc

I see 3 options (at least)
1. Buy from Disney to get all the "perks" - are they worth it? And to get into all the resorts - Riviera is highly desirable for us.
2. Resale, and forgo all the "perks".... Buy the cheapest / lowest maintenance? But then can't get into Riviera if we understand correct? Or if we buy Riviera resale, we can't stay elsewhere at all?
3. Rent as needed.... Is this a good strategy for once per year trip vs buy/mtce?

I know that's a lot... Thanks
 
I own resale at SSR (at the time best combo for lower cost and fees) and have been happy with that purchase. I can trade to Rivera as I bought around 2017. I'd not buy Rivera ether from disney or resale as I worry the restrictions will make it less valueable when its time to sell but thats just what I value. I think if you want access to rivera you might look at direct at BLT or SSR for lower fees. If you are less fussy about where you are staying on site its not too hard to trade into SSR, OKW & AKL most times I've had good luck with a locked off marriott willow ridge unit. The disney direct perks don't seem like they have much value to me, I could have gotten blue card status for a 25 point direct purchase a few years back and did not do that. Renting is actiually not a bad choice to my way of thinking as you save the upfront cost and only pay when you can get what you want.
 
If you want all the "perks" of owning DVC you will now need to buy a minimum 150 points directly from Disney. Current Rivera Pricing is $217, they have $2 promo so for the minimum 150 points (1 week in a studio every year, or 2 bedroom every 2 to 3 years) x $ 215 per point is $32,250. You can also purchase SSR or OKW cheaper at $202 per point ($30,300) plus closing costs for both.

Perks (discount on annual pass tickets etc...) would not be worth the purchase for me (I already own prior to restrictions) , however, if you really need to stay at DVC it might be worth it for you and your family.
 
Prices are pretty high for developer and resale. I think the resale prices will plummet again at some point, which would be great for a resale. DVC even lowered prices bac in 2008, making dev very good price.
 
Keep in mind that the average DVC ownership is about 7 years…do you see yourself going minimum 1 time per year after that?

As others have said you need to buy in direct 150 minimum for full benefits…- home resort can matter IMO- keep in mind that DVC off season differs a bit from actual park crowd levels. Study DVC points charts- because when the points are low I have found it difficult to swap resorts…we have had great luck with internal trade’s though but it took being online before dawn exactly at the 7 month mark.

Direct is expensive and although the resale restrictions aren’t as bad as other companies they can make a difference-
but if being able to use your points at all resorts and any possible future resorts is important than you may want to pay the premium.

Remember if interested in direct you can purchase most “sold out” resorts.

DVC perks can change and aren’t guaranteed - lol we all learned that with annual passes- but being able to fully use my points anywhere is important to me. Personally I can’t see adding on resale at this point if I have restricted access to future resorts.
 
You have received sound advice so far. I think resale restrictions will be a thing with DVC going forward. You will have the Polynesian tower coming up soon (unless I missed the announcement nobody knows for sure yet if it’s going to be separate from the existing Polynesian DVC). And now with the announcement of the Cabins at Fort Wilderness, Im sure restrictions will be there too. But it will be interesting to see what kind of incentives they will offer to purchase. The economy isn’t exactly roaring right now.
I know nothing about trading as I don’t own other timeshares any more, but plenty of people here trade in quite often.
you mention you visit Disney multiple times a year. How much do you spend on your tickets? They did finally bring back the annual pass for DVC, but you’d need to do the math for direct price vs AP savings (which can go away). To me, staying on site is the only way for us. Tried a timeshare off site and it wasn’t for us.
our First purchase was in 1997 at Boardwalk. Our last was Riviera before it opened.
Make sure you understand the product.
 
We are Presidential in Marriott... But would like to dip our toe into DVC since there is value to us to staying on site for the reservation windows and early/late hours. We go to Disney multiple times per year and would like 1 of the trips to be onsite - we always travel during non peak periods.
Lots of questions...so I'll try to break it down. One thing you didn't mention is how large your travelling party is likely to be. For just two people there is a lot to be said for staying at the Swan/Dolphin/Swan Reserve - no commitment, reasonable rates in WDW's non-peak seasons, and 'on property' perks. And depending on your anticipated needs you should know that (generally speaking), DVC studios are the most difficult to reserve, 2BRs are next, and 1BRs are comparatively 'easy'.

Does it really matter where should we buy since we don't need spring break or summer etc
So one thing to learn is that DVC's peak seasons are not necessarily WDWs. While Easter and Christmas/New Years have remained difficult to book at DVC even in the face of ever increasing point prices, early December is even more difficult because of low point costs and Christmas decorations. And the EPCOT resorts are difficult to book in the fall. So unless you are telling us that you truly don't care if your one 'on property' DVC vacation each year is at Old Key West (OKW), Saratoga Springs (SSR), or Animal Kingdom Villas (AKV), then you should buy where you want to stay.

Are they (the perks of buying directly from DVC) worth it?
As a non-Florida resident, the only perk that mattered to us was the Annual Pass discounts DVC 'blue card' membership used to provide. Unfortunately, they no longer offer AP discounts (and until very recently didn't offer new APs aside from the Pixie Pass at all). Instead, DVC 'blue card' members can buy a Sorcerer's Pass which has blackout dates but is cheaper than the 'every day of the year' Incredi-Pass.

There are also a bunch of special park events for 'blue card' members only...but they are never offered during the fall, winter, and spring school vacation days and so aren't useful to us. And the ECPOT DVC lounge is nice...but it could go away at any time (it's on a year to year contract with WDW) and isn't that big of a deal.
And to get into all the resorts - Riviera is highly desirable for us.
2. Resale, and forgo all the "perks".... Buy the cheapest / lowest maintenance? But then can't get into Riviera if we understand correct? Or if we buy Riviera resale, we can't stay elsewhere at all?
3. Rent as needed.... Is this a good strategy for once per year trip vs buy/mtce?
Wanting to stay at Riviera is kind of the fly in the ointment of making a financially sound decision.

There are plenty of Magic Kingdom resorts worth buying resale - BLT, Poly, and VGF all have their advantages. And the three 'value' DVC resorts - AKV, SSR, and OKW (with a 2057 contract) are worth buying as well - Do you like animals, Disney Springs, or large villas?

The problem is the EPCOT/HS resorts. BCV and BWV are both great - I've owned at BCV and currently own at BWV - and allow you to walk to the parks. And if at the end of the day your feet are tired, you can take the Friendship boat home. BCV has Stormalong Bay and perhaps even nicer its own quiet pool, BWV has a wonderful variety of entertainments and eateries. But they both expire in 2042.

On the other hand, Riviera has painful resale restrictions, high dues, and expensive point charts. Even if you buy direct at Riviera you still face the problem of competing for reservations against an ever increasing share of owners who can *only* book there and nowhere else. Plus the Skyliner has traffic jams getting out of Riviera in the morning and after the ECPOT fireworks in the evening. And when the weather is bad, you have to take a bus.

In the end, buying at any of the three EPCOT/HS resorts is 'throwing your money away' compared to buying elsewhere or renting. Which is not to say you shouldn't do it - I bought at BWV two years ago despite the 2042 expiration because we love the resort and I knew that if we wanted to reliably stay in Boardwalk View villas in times of peak demand we needed to be owners. Money that buys happiness is well spent.

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And to get into all the resorts - Riviera is highly desirable for us.

@ljmiii - I don’t think it’s changed but resale at this point would bar anything but the original 14 resorts.

Thats huge no future resorts.
Money that buys happiness is well spent.

While I totally disagree with the Swalphin I agree that perks come and go but I don’t consider being able to fully utilize all the resorts within the system a perk…
 
...I agree that perks come and go but I don’t consider being able to fully utilize all the resorts within the system a perk…
You're right - I should have explained that part better.

If you buy enough points direct from DVC (currently 150) you become what is commonly known as a 'blue card' member**, entitled to a variety of perks that come and go.

As I wrote, the most financially notable one is the ability to buy a Sorcerer Annual Pass (though that could go away very soon...they just became available to new purchasers and WDW has said the supply will be limited). You are also entitled to DVC discounts that are usually but not always the same as the AP discount. And there are a variety of lesser benefits including the ability to get in a queue for special events at the parks and use the DVC lounges (currently two, one at EPCOT and one at Disneyland).

As @noreenkate said, there is also another advantage to buying points directly - the ability to use newly purchased points at any new DVC resort is currently limited to those bought directly. Note that this doesn't mean any new DVC construction - resale buyers can stay at the new VGF villas and perhaps the new Poly construction as well (both DVC's ROFR behavior in 2022 at the Polynesian and the mix of villas in the new construction would indicate that the new tower will be part of Poly...but nothing is certain).

This ability is separate from 'blue card' membership - you can now buy less than 150 points directly from DVC which would allow you to use those points at any future resort but doesn't get you a 'blue card' membership. Also note that the 'future resort' system which was first written into Riviera's offering documents gives DVC the ability to allow resale points to be used at the new resorts once a fee has been paid. Thus far DVC has not chosen to do so.

Confused yet?!?

To me all this ends up meaning that if in your heart of hearts you want to stay at Riviera every time you stay 'on property' you should buy there. Either 150 points if you buy direct (to get the 'blue card') or whatever number of points that are in a resale contract that you like. YMMV.

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** - DVC 'blue card' member

So...when DVC first started treating resale purchasers differently, they tried to say that only those who bought directly from them were "DVC Members" and that all others were merely owners. And they started issuing white cards to owners and blue cards to members. But it was pointed out to them that the governing documents filed with the State of Florida said that all owners of DVC were "DVC Members". So Disney's verbage changed to say that only direct purchasers (and those grandfathered) were DVC members entitled to "membership extras".

Later, they also stopped shipping physical cards at all...and so the 'blue card' distinction is only shown online. And (theoretically) you have to show your phone to get your DVC "membership extras" discounts and merchandise.
 
I don’t have anything to add to the discussion — all excellent advice — but would agree with the “buy where you want to stay” meme. If you want Riviera, buy there, whether direct (as few as 100 points now) or resale (if you’ll be happy staying there and only there). A note about RIV: many of the Standard view villas look towards Epcot and have a great fireworks view. If you want to book a Standard view (requires fewer points than Preferred), you need to own at RIV.

DVC 'blue card' member

So...when DVC first started treating resale purchasers differently, they tried to say that only those who bought directly from them were "DVC Members" and that all others were merely owners. And they started issuing white cards to owners and blue cards to members. But it was pointed out to them that the governing documents filed with the State of Florida said that all owners of DVC were "DVC Members". So Disney's verbage changed to say that only direct purchasers (and those grandfathered) were DVC members entitled to "membership extras".

Later, they also stopped shipping physical cards at all...and so the 'blue card' distinction is only shown online. And (theoretically) you have to show your phone to get your DVC "membership extras" discounts and merchandise.
To further complicate this, on some internet posts you’ll see the term DVC-Y to refer to blue card members. That relates to the designation on the Disney MagicMobile Pass in the Apple or Google cellphone wallet under Affiliation. Members who are eligible for Membership Extras have DVC-Y, those who aren’t eligible have DVC-ND. CMs are supposed to look at that designation before granting discounts on dining or merchandise, although a copy of the online membership card (which expires a month after the copy is made) is supposed to suffice as well.
 
we always travel during non peak periods.
The word "peak" may not mean what you think it means, because the DVC booking patterns are not the same as the park attendance patterns.

The short version of this: DVC has roughly two "seasons". Late September through Marathon weekend is high-demand. Mid-January through mid-September is less. There are exceptions in both of those: the week before Thanksgiving is easier, and the race weekends and easter/spring break weeks are busier. But, that's the basic idea. In particular, the first two weeks of December are among the busiest weeks of the year for DVC reservations.

You can get a much more refined sense of this at DVC Help:
 
To further complicate this, on some internet posts you’ll see the term DVC-Y to refer to blue card members. That relates to the designation on the Disney MagicMobile Pass in the Apple or Google cellphone wallet under Affiliation. Members who are eligible for Membership Extras have DVC-Y, those who aren’t eligible have DVC-ND. CMs are supposed to look at that designation before granting discounts on dining or merchandise, although a copy of the online membership card (which expires a month after the copy is made) is supposed to suffice as well.
It gets better. When I went to use my DVC discount a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that the DVC-Y designation has disappeared from my MagicMobile Pass in Apple wallet. Now it just shows the blue/teal card that (correctly) says Disney Vacation Club Member which if I click on it asks me to hold my phone next to the reader (none of which yet exist at any of the restaurants or shops I visited at WDW). I don't know if DVC 'fixed' the MagicMobile Pass selection process so that only DVC-Y members can select the DVC member card...or something else.
 
We just checked for the Y and see it in our phones. Technology isn't always better.
 
I had to touch the “i” inside the circle to the right, above the card. Shows my first name, affiliation (DVC Y, Annual) and my ID number (have no idea where that comes from). Beneath that is a scan thing . last used in early December.
 
There are three Blue Card perks currently available. You can purchase the lower cost Sorcerer's Pass, you can get 10-20% discount on Disney dining and merchandise purchases, and you can visit the member only lounge in Epcot. There used to be more and they may come back.
 
Now it just shows the blue/teal card that (correctly) says Disney Vacation Club Member
To clarify for others, that card is one of the choices for MagicMobile cards but should only be available for DVC members. I'm not sure whether it's restricted to DVC-Y members or not. I've always used the AK Banshee design but just checked to see what the options are, and it let me choose one of the Passholder designs even though we let our APs lapse this year! As @nomoretslt says above, my affiliations are viewable by touching the i in the upper right - and it still says Annual there. As the common saying goes, Disney IT at its finest.
 
I had to touch the “i” inside the circle to the right, above the card. Shows my first name, affiliation (DVC Y, Annual) and my ID number (have no idea where that comes from). Beneath that is a scan thing . last used in early December.
Learn something new every darn day. Or at least 'find out' something I knew but have forgotten.

The weird part is that this trip all they wanted to see was the DVC Member MagicMobile card in my wallet and I know that on our last trip I had to show DVC Y.

Thank you!
 
Hello,

We are Presidential in Marriott... But would like to dip our toe into DVC since there is value to us to staying on site for the reservation windows and early/late hours. We go to Disney multiple times per year and would like 1 of the trips to be onsite - we always travel during non peak periods.

Are there good posts to explain pros/cons of resale/developer deals. Does it really matter where should we buy since we don't need spring break or summer etc

I see 3 options (at least)
1. Buy from Disney to get all the "perks" - are they worth it? And to get into all the resorts - Riviera is highly desirable for us.
2. Resale, and forgo all the "perks".... Buy the cheapest / lowest maintenance? But then can't get into Riviera if we understand correct? Or if we buy Riviera resale, we can't stay elsewhere at all?
3. Rent as needed.... Is this a good strategy for once per year trip vs buy/mtce?

I know that's a lot... Thanks
As a Marriott timeshare owner, you can use Interval International to exchange into DVC properties. Why don't you start with doing that? It will be less expensive than renting or buying and give you a chance to see if you like the DVC experience.
 
The weird part is that this trip all they wanted to see was the DVC Member MagicMobile card in my wallet and I know that on our last trip I had to show DVC Y.
LOL, I hope they won’t insist that I use the DVC MM card, because I love my banshee! I’ll be happy to flip it over (digitally) and show them the DVC-Y, though!
 
As a Marriott timeshare owner, you can use Interval International to exchange into DVC properties. Why don't you start with doing that? It will be less expensive than renting or buying and give you a chance to see if you like the DVC experience.
Yes, this is very true. You can usually get Disney full weeks for about any time of year. Fall-Christmas can be tough.
 
There are three Blue Card perks currently available. You can purchase the lower cost Sorcerer's Pass, you can get 10-20% discount on Disney dining and merchandise purchases, and you can visit the member only lounge in Epcot. There used to be more and they may come back.
As far as perks go they also have available again are moonlight magic, the top of the world lounge, new lounge at DLR, some enchanted extras discounts after hours tickets during Halloween & Christmas and we have been able to score ride previews when available. The perk I have been investigating this past weekend is DVC rooms booked counting towards fairytale wedding room blocks (cross your fingers)
 
There are three Blue Card perks currently available. You can purchase the lower cost Sorcerer's Pass, you can get 10-20% discount on Disney dining and merchandise purchases, and you can visit the member only lounge in Epcot. There used to be more and they may come back.
4 perks. Member lounge at Disneyland is now open.

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There are three Blue Card perks currently available. You can purchase the lower cost Sorcerer's Pass, you can get 10-20% discount on Disney dining and merchandise purchases, and you can visit the member only lounge in Epcot. There used to be more and they may come back.

I think the Bay Lake new Villain-themed lounge is now "eligible members only" as well, no?
 
One other reason to buy resale is that if you ever have regrets, or want out, or feel like it's not working out for you, then you can sell your ownership at approximately the same price you got in. You may lose 10% on a broker commission but you'd lose 25%-50% plus a broker commission if you bought direct and then ended up selling soon thereafter. This is the main reason why we recently took the DVC plunge as well and have two contracts in the closing process. It also helps that we are FL residents and can buy annual passes regardless of how we own, and that we also don't particularly care about which Disney resort we stay at since we're used to not staying on property at all!

As an owner with Vistana (now Marriott) I'm well-aware what the Riviera-style restrictions do to resale values. All you have to do is look at the resale prices for Westin Kaanapali Villas (where resale buyers could trade internally at all Vistana resorts using points) versus the Westin Princeville (where resale buyers are limited to just that resort or II trades). Putting aside the issue of Maui vs Kauai, those restricted Westins are close to worthless and stay on the market much longer, while there is a vigorous resale market for the Maui Westins, which still sell for around $15K for a 2BR ($35K-$40K+ for oceanfront) despite the $3K annual maintenance fees.
 
I think the Bay Lake new Villain-themed lounge is now "eligible members only" as well, no?
Correct, have to have the DVC-Y designation to book one of the package events or to go up without a package reservation.
 
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