How many gallons of water does it take to put out a Tesla fire?

[emeryjre]

Since China dominates the production of EV batteries, somehow I just do not see that happening.

How China Dominates Global Battery Supply Chain

Beijing is in the driver’s seat for a battery-powered future

www.voanews.com

http://

 

[MrockStar]

Not to mention droughts affecting minimum water levels at hydroelectric dams out west! Sorry EV charging will have to WAIT for the next rains to charge up.

 

[Patri]

You really are the dim bulb on the string, Facts do not have any influence on your opinions.

Why is it necessary to resort to middle school name-calling?

 

[Carolinian]

Well, "there you go again..."

Subaru warns Ascent owners to park outside due to fire risk

Subaru is recalling 271,694 2019–2022 Ascent SUVs due to faulty heater wiring.

arstechnica.com

Hmmm! A heater wiring problem? So not an engine or fuel problem. Try again! All categories of cars have heaters and wiring for them.

Then there was the comment by another about the number of Chevy Bolt's that had spontaneously combusted prior to recall. What matters is that GM exgineers concluded that this was a serious enough problem and likely to keep happening that they recalled every Chevy Bolt they had built and warned those keeping the cars not to park them closer than 50 feet to a building or other car.

 

[ScoopKona]

This is my favorite article of the century -- so far, at least. It details what it is like to live through a technological revolution -- comparing to the last big one, the printing press. Replace "newspapers" with almost any industry that can be affected by infinite, perfect digital copies, free-flow of information, or automation.

From the article:

When someone demands to know how we are going to replace newspapers, they are really demanding to be told that we are not living through a revolution. They are demanding to be told that old systems won't break before new systems are in place. They are demanding to be told that ancient social bargains aren't in peril, that core institutions will be spared, that new methods of spreading information will improve previous practice rather than upending it. They are demanding to be lied to.

There are fewer and fewer people who can convincingly tell such a lie.

NEWSPAPERS AND THINKING THE UNTHINKABLE | Edge.org

www.edge.org

 

[ScoopKona]

Why is it necessary to resort to middle school name-calling?

Mocking willful ignorance is one of the few strategies which actually works. Cognitive dissonance hates to be mocked. It likes to be argued with. But that's the least-successful way to get rid of it.

People who believe in chemtrails, flat earth, the moon landing hoax and supply-side economics need to be laughed at. Don't engage them seriously, for that plays right into their hand.

 

[davidvel]

Hmmm! A heater wiring problem? So not an engine or fuel problem. Try again! All categories of cars have heaters and wiring for them.

they warned customers who kept the cars not to park them within 50 feet of a building or another car. I have never seen a similar warning on a gasoline powered car recall.

Heaters or not, you have now "seen a similar warning on a gasoline powered car recall."

 

[Carolinian]

 

[tombanjo]

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. Instagram is owned by Facebook. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The charging station shown in the post is located at an outlet mall in Round Rock, an Austin suburb. However, the description of how it operates is wrong.

Electric car charging stations aren’t diesel-fueled

A widely circulating Facebook post points to public charging stations as a glaring example of why electric cars are not

www.politifact.com

 

[Carolinian]

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. Instagram is owned by Facebook. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The charging station shown in the post is located at an outlet mall in Round Rock, an Austin suburb. However, the description of how it operates is wrong.

Electric car charging stations aren’t diesel-fueled

A widely circulating Facebook post points to public charging stations as a glaring example of why electric cars are not

www.politifact.com

Highly partisan, highly ideological "Politifact" is not a reliable source for any information. The New York Post had a recent article on who funds this and other similar organizations and objective information is NOT their stock in trade.

It is much like using Wikipedia as a source. One of its co-founders has gone public denouncing the way Wikipedia is run today as "badly biased" in a particular direction. He has given the details of the procedures that were originally set up at Wikipedia to prevent bias, and how those have been eliminated resulting the in the rampant bias that exists there now

 

[bluehende]

Highly partisan, highly ideological "Politifact" is not a reliable source for any information. The New York Post had a recent article on who funds this and other similar organizations and objective information is NOT their stock in trade.

It is much like using Wikipedia as a source. One of its co-founders has gone public denouncing the way Wikipedia is run today as "badly biased" in a particular direction. He has given the details of the procedures that were originally set up at Wikipedia to prevent bias, and how those have been eliminated resulting the in the rampant bias that exists there now

yes anything that shows my nonresearched facebook post is not factual is biased. If you read the article it gives references for it's conclusion.

Why People Ignore Facts

When it comes to reasoning, identity trumps truth.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Superchief]

It has always been obvious you are not an early adopter of new technology. Not only are you not an early adopter, you are a naysayer of early adoption.

Every step forward has rough spots. These rough spots get resolved and the new tech takes over. It will happen despite you pointing out the flaws at every opportunity.

There is a difference between allowing people to become early adopters vs being forced by government regulations to move to a technology that clearly isn't ready. Most of us don't have the resources to spend thousands on an EV that hasn't worked out the bugs. Some new technologies turn out to never be feasible. Gas fueled cars have been developed and improved over the past 50 years and now get better gas mileage and emissions have been significantly reduced. Hybrids take these traditional cars to the next level and don't require significant changes in fueling infrastructure. I'm disappointed that more emphasis isn't being placed on expanding hybrid manufacturing while the bugs of EV's are being worked out.

I won't consider buying an EV until I'm confident that we won't have to rely on our enemies for power sources, and our power grid can accommodate it.

 

[MrockStar]

Brillant, Way to go Green!

 

[davidvel]

Brillant, Way to go Green!

Way to believe and promote fake news. Brian may have essentially shut down the other forum, but the crowd has not changed.

 

[emeryjre]

There is a difference between allowing people to become early adopters vs being forced by government regulations to move to a technology that clearly isn't ready. Most of us don't have the resources to spend thousands on an EV that hasn't worked out the bugs. Some new technologies turn out to never be feasible. Gas fueled cars have been developed and improved over the past 50 years and now get better gas mileage and emissions have been significantly reduced. Hybrids take these traditional cars to the next level and don't require significant changes in fueling infrastructure. I'm disappointed that more emphasis isn't being placed on expanding hybrid manufacturing while the bugs of EV's are being worked out.

I won't consider buying an EV until I'm confident that we won't have to rely on our enemies for power sources, and our power grid can accommodate it.

Finally the heart of the controversy. Nobody is forcing you to buy an EV. The sweet spot for EV's is a daily commute vehicle in crowded urban areas. Charging would be done overnight while the Grid is not under stress. I do not own an EV. I am not buying an EV anytime in the near future. But I am not running around pointing out the flaws. People buying 100K plus Model S Teslas, are not buying the vehicle to save money on fuel. They are buying the car because it is quite the vehicle to drive.
Some posts in this forum and thread are veiled political statements. Perhaps we should ask that the thread be locked.

 

[ScoopKona]

Some posts in this forum and thread are veiled political statements.

More than anything, I see fear on display. The same kind of fear when we moved from an agrarian society to industrial.

 

[emeryjre]

More than anything, I see fear on display. The same kind of fear when we moved from an agrarian society to industrial.

I was not around for that transition!. I do agree about the fear on display.

 

[Superchief]

Finally the heart of the controversy. Nobody is forcing you to buy an EV. The sweet spot for EV's is a daily commute vehicle in crowded urban areas. Charging would be done overnight while the Grid is not under stress. I do not own an EV. I am not buying an EV anytime in the near future. But I am not running around pointing out the flaws. People buying 100K plus Model S Teslas, are not buying the vehicle to save money on fuel. They are buying the car because it is quite the vehicle to drive.
Some posts in this forum and thread are veiled political statements. Perhaps we should ask that the thread be locked.

I don't see how pointing out issues regarding EV's is a political issue. Most of the political insinuations are posted by the same people who consider anyone who disagrees with them as making political statements. The moderators always seem to allow their posts because they also agree with them. I make my decisions based on the evidence I am able to gather. Politicians of both parties don't want the public to have access to information in order to make their own decisions. I don't support censorship of any kind and belief each side should be able to provide the evidence, regardless of the issue. I have problems with people who call names or try to challenge the character of people who disagree with them.

Also, some states are already discussing banning gas fueled cars, so yes they are trying to force us to buy EV's. EV's make more sense in certain areas of the country so perhaps these states will be ready for the transition, but we aren't there yet.

 

[emeryjre]

Maybe the statement "being forced by government regulation" can be construed as political. Not everyone feels that EV's are flawed. Only people opposed to EV's feels they are flawed. There is plenty of information on EV's available. What information on EV's is being hidden from you?

Discussion on banning gas fueled cars is a long way from forcing you to buy an EV.

 

[Chrisky]

Fire crews use SIX THOUSAND gallons of water to extinguish Tesla fire

The Tesla caught on fire while the driver was on Highway 50 in Rancho Cordova on Saturday. Fire officials said that nothing was wrong with the car before it combusted.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Doesn’t say much for the firefighters! Where did they receive their training?
This news story is from the Daily Mail in the UK, must be related to Fox News!

 

[Brett]

Way to believe and promote fake news. Brian may have essentially shut down the other forum, but the crowd has not changed.

right

 

[Superchief]

Maybe the statement "being forced by government regulation" can be construed as political. Not everyone feels that EV's are flawed. Only people opposed to EV's feels they are flawed. There is plenty of information on EV's available. What information on EV's is being hidden from you?

Discussion on banning gas fueled cars is a long way from forcing you to buy an EV.

You again missed my point. I am not against EV's and neither are most posters in this forum. We just recognize that there are several problems that need to be overcome before they are feasible for widespread ownership. 'Being forced by the government' is not a political statement any more than saying I support democracy. Is it political to say I think taxes are too high? If gas fueled cars are banned, how is that not forcing you to buy an EV unless you don't have to have a car?

 

[ScoopKona]

I was not around for that transition!. I do agree about the fear on display.

I wasn't around either. But I talked to people who were lived through the tail end in my youth.

Massive transitions are my favorite periods of history -- the Warring States Period, the fall of the Roman Empire, the invention of the printing press, the industrial revolution -- and now I get to live in one.

The fear is selective. Take aerospace. We went from the Wright Brothers to a moon landing in less than 70 years. That's amazing, when you think about it. As for our current revolution, the Internet is a bit more than 40 years old. And it's only recently that the masses have started using it -- much to the chagrin of us nerds. (The Internet truly was a better place when it was only for universities, big tech companies and the military. A far more peaceful, useful vehicle for the exchange of ideas. Then the floodgates opened and everyone with a moon-landing hoax theory piled on.)

Electric vehicles are nothing new -- almost 100 years since the first battery-powered cars. But the real innovation is very recent. And wow does that have a bunch of timid, average people scared [excrement-less]. It'll turn out the same as always -- they'll be pushed into the new paradigm whether they like it or not -- as change sweeps them forward like the tide.

 

[billymach4]

Is This a 'Diesel Car Charging Station' for Electric Cars?

Is this really a "diesel car charging station"? The electric car industry is much larger than a single photograph.

www.snopes.com

This viral photograph truly shows an electric vehicle charging via a diesel fuel generator, but the picture is often shared with misleading or inaccurate claims. This photograph does not depict a common charging station but rather a rather unique charging station which was privately funded as one person's attempt to provide a temporary solution enabling electric vehicles to drive long distances across the sparsely populated Australian outback. The fuel-efficiency of the diesel "Chargepod" was far better than stated in this meme, and the station has since been upgraded to use non-fossil biodiesel.

Is This a 'Diesel Car Charging Station' for Electric Cars?

Is this really a "diesel car charging station"? The electric car industry is much larger than a single photograph.

www.snopes.com

 

[MrockStar]

Solar charging stations make sense in sparsely populated areas except at night.