wouldn't you be able to say I prepaid $x dollars on A date and the 2023 MF's is $z so the difference would be $y with out arguing about what is ARDA fees and not. We get the grid with the MF's by unit type.
Yep. And that makes it mandatory because the system doesn't erase that amount due for a long time after the first of the year.what can you do??? But pay that $5.00 fee.
I got caught in the prepayment-ARDA trap this year because I needed to use 2023 options from both of my contracts in II so they made me prepay them both this summer including the normal VSN membership fees for $215. But they didn't bill us the 2023 membership fees yet so the system created a credit balance on each of my two contracts once 2023 MF's were added and is automatically reducing those credit balances by $5 each for ARDA. I called on Aug 18th and asked to have the ARDA fees removed and they said it would take 15 to 45 days (!). It's now been nearly 60 days so I called yesterday and they told me that things are taking twice as much time as usual so it will take between 60 and 90 days to remove those fees and for me to check back on November 16th! I mean it is what it is, I accept that...sort of. Perhaps the one person whose job it was to remove this fee has left the company or because they didn't bill the membership fees they've been swamped with requests from prepayers to remove ARDA. If I want a refund of my credit balances after the $5 is added back in to each, she said that would be an additional 60 to 90 days.
I am glad I am not the only one dealing with this issue. Why add this to the total amount due so we have to subtract it? It's really despicable.
Well, that's good for you. But why should you have to subtract it? That's the real question here. What about those who just assume it's something they HAVE TO PAY? You know it's not mandatory, so you subtract it.
The facts are:I'm guessing the Vistana support staff read TUG and are fed up with being called inept, incompetent and imbeciles so have taken to being purposefully obstructive to anyone called Rick or Cindy. It's all the other Ricks and Cindys in the world I feel sorry for
They did not mention the prepayment would go away for II deposits and StarOption borrowing so I doubt they will. Generally, they went in the direction of reducing the attractiveness of VSN to make Abound look better.
You've just confirmed the global misgivings about Americans and a sense of humour (or is it humor?). Did you not see the
The 5 dollar fee should not be there, period. It does not even matter they say it is "voluntary". If this is the association of the industry, they should pay for it. If you go to the dentist's office, you would not be billed for the American Dental Association.
If Marriott wanted to change this, they would have done it a very long time ago, they have been in charge for 4.5 years and the buck stops with them. But why would they potentially hurt the budget of their buddies from ARDA?There are multiple threads about the ARDA-ROC amounts on MF's bills, like this one from 2015: [2015] ARDA-ROC Voluntary Contribution on Annual Bill In this one and others, you can learn that long before Marriott Vacations Worldwide acquired Vistana, the "suggested contribution" was an opt-in with Marriott ownerships and an opt-out with Vistana (formerly Starwood) ownerships.
I'm seriously waiting on the day that Vistana owners blame Marriott for every ill in the known universe.
As one of the "some particular Marriott owners" you're referencing (else why would you direct this comment in response to my quoted post,) I can tell you you're going to be waiting a long time for me to take your bait. It might happen someday, sure, but not until the day that you demonstrate a basic understanding of the protections and limitations contained in timeshare governing documents as they pertain to owners as well as the timeshare companies. Until then, you're simply a diversion.
I understand but "Vistana" is no longer in charge. Don't expect this to be high on Marriott's priority list.
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That's not what I said, and it's not what I think. And you completely read me wrong if you think that I would never criticize Marriott. The difference between us is, I recognize when doing so might bring results.Concerning the second part, now it becomes clear that moment will never come, otherwise you would have to admit I have "improved" my understanding about the governing docs
I literally said, "I don't know" so you claiming that I'm speculating isn't exactly the bombshell you think it might be. I have no sources, nobody whose trustworthiness needs to be called into question. What is obvious is that most all of the big timeshare players have agreed with ARDA-ROC to make it easy for these annual "voluntary" ARDA-ROC dues to be collected, and it wouldn't come as a surprise if they protected themselves with some type of agreement, because we all know they protect their own interests in ways and with documents that most of us aren't even aware they exist.
