DVC v. Marriott Vacation Club - Beware!

[Ty1on]

But Marriott wasn't forced to stop selling any of its timeshares while correcting their mistake of underfunding the initial Maintenance Fees such that MF's in a single resort are assessed based on the date of purchase as subsidized or not. That was DVC. That is Aulani. That was a major industry error and one that no other timeshare company has made. Obviously, DVC has had its own problems getting its act together.

I believe Worldmark had a similar issue with a very small number of its owners, I don't remember the details.

 

[dioxide45]

We should probably stop feeding this. @ndang3 has other work to do that we are taking them away from.

 

[Ty1on]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MARIOTT PLATINUM OWNERS. I INTENTIONALLY BOLD MY POST BECAUSE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT READING AND UNDERSTANDING OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS.

I have a feeling he stayed with them in a Courtyard or some such with his in-laws Bonvoy points, and is conflating that experience with MVC.

 

[SueDonJ]

I believe Worldmark had a similar issue with a very small number of its owners, I don't remember the details.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[ndang3]

But Marriott wasn't forced to stop selling any of its timeshares while correcting their mistake of underfunding the initial Maintenance Fees such that MF's in a single resort are assessed based on the date of purchase as subsidized or not. That was DVC. That is Aulani. That was a major industry error and one that no other timeshare company has made. Obviously, DVC has had its own problems getting its act together.

Well I would hope Marriott would know more about that than Disney. Disney has a bazillion other LOB’s they focus on. Marriott is 100% hospitality.

 

[Ty1on]

 

[ndang3]

I have a feeling he stayed with them in a Courtyard or some such with his in-laws Bonvoy points, and is conflating that experience with MVC.

Wrong!

 

[ndang3]

 

[ndang3]

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What does Marriott “own”? A bunch of buildings they can’t manage or maintain.

 

[dioxide45]

Well I would hope Marriott would know more about that than Disney. Disney has a bazillion other LOB’s they focus on. Marriott is 100% hospitality.

You do realize that DVC is a segment within Disney overall and has its own set of management whose 100% responsibility is to managing Disney Vacation Club operations. No different than how things work at Marriott Vacation Club or Vistana.

 

[ndang3]

This has been really entertaining guys. Came on this thread to share my opinion since I own a few different brands including dvc and my relatives own a lot of mvc so have affiliated experience there. Clearly you are all loyal mvc owners which is great. My point was that you will see that dvc owners will benefit more from the II exchange than you all will be able to get into dvc. But since Disney is sub par to Marriott lol then there shouldn’t be any issues. Stay in your Marriott and enjoy!!!!

 

[ndang3]

You do realize that DVC is a segment within Disney overall and has its own set of management whose 100% responsibility is to managing Disney Vacation Club operations. No different than how things work at Marriott Vacation Club or Vistana.

Wrong, vistana and mvc uses other companies to manage their properties. Next time you stay at mvc ask the manager at that resort. And yes I know Disney manages their own properties - thats what makes the Disney experience great and consistent.

 

[SueDonJ]

Moderator Note: [As promised, this exercise in futility has been moved from a different thread (and I had to lock both while doing it because they were moving too fast!) I expect this thread will die a slow death due to boredom but until then, please follow the TUG Rules or your posts will be deleted.]

 

[dioxide45]

Time for the fun to resume...

 

[dioxide45]

This has been really entertaining guys. Came on this thread to share my opinion since I own a few different brands including dvc and my relatives own a lot of mvc so have affiliated experience there. Clearly you are all loyal mvc owners which is great. My point was that you will see that dvc owners will benefit more from the II exchange than you all will be able to get into dvc. But since Disney is sub par to Marriott lol then there shouldn’t be any issues. Stay in your Marriott and enjoy!!!!

Some could say you are blinded by your loyalty? It goes both ways, no?

 

[SueDonJ]

Wrong, vistana and mvc uses other companies to manage their properties. Next time you stay at mvc ask the manager at that resort. And yes I know Disney manages their own properties - thats what makes the Disney experience great and consistent.

Hmmmm. If you're so sure that Marriott Vacations Worldwide does not self-manage the Marriott-branded timeshares that come under its umbrella, despite all Marriott owners here telling you that they do, you tell us who exactly is managing the Marriott timeshares? And don't say franchisees - because no Marriott timeshare is owned by any other hospitality entity. None. Zero. Zilch.

 

[dioxide45]

Apparently DVC saw some value in the Marriott, Westin, Sheraton and Hyatt timeshare resorts. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have moved affiliation to Interval International. Certainly if they thought these were substandard properties, they wouldn't want their members exchanging into them?

 

[SueDonJ]

Well I would hope Marriott would know more about that than Disney. Disney has a bazillion other LOB’s they focus on. Marriott is 100% hospitality.

So now what you're telling us in your effort to prove DVC's overall superiority, is that Disney has grown to be too big a business such that major errors should be expected in their development/management of the Disney-branded timeshares?

Okay. Seems to me that's not actually a ringing endorsement, but okay.

 

[GrayFal]

My in laws are platinum mvc owners and there is no waitlist system.

.....nevermind

 

[Ty1on]

So now what you're telling us in your effort to prove DVC's overall superiority, is that Disney has grown to be too big a business such that major errors should be expected in their development/management of the Disney-branded timeshares?

Okay. Seems to me that's not actually a ringing endorsement, but okay.

 

[Ty1on]

I noticed a response above that brought up "loyalty." I wanted to point out that I have no ownership in MVC. I'm actually loyal to a different system, and for a reason that doesn't prioritize resort quality.

Once contracts are sold, the overwhelmingly main profit source of the operations arm of a timeshare or vacations club is management fees it receives for, well, managing the property. Developer gets contract sales revenue, of course, loan interest, some other financing related fees. But there is money made in the management itself, and this is not something the timeshare companies farm out. Not only would that mean giving up a huge revenue chunk, the company would also be delegating control over its brand perception.

If I had the money to burn, I would definitely want into DVC first, and then MVC. Not because DVC is better, but because we like being in Disney. Yes, DVC has quality resorts, but that wouldn't be my impetus for owning DVC. Alas, I don't have the money to burn, so all I can do is admire BOTH systems and their owners from afar.

 

[mdurette]

Just my 2 cents from a person who has spent WAY TOO MUCH time in Orlando timeshares.

If you are doing a Disney vacation, you can't beat the convienance of staying on property
If you are doing an Orlando vacation, then the Marriott MVC resorts are the way to go

 

[TravelTime]

I used to own over 600 DVC points. I loved the villas at Animal Kingdom and Aulani as well as the resorts. I was not so impressed with the villas at Boardwalk or Polynesian. I owned a lot of points at Grand Floridian but unfortunately, I never ended up staying there. The interiors looked very nice there. I sold my points a couple years after purchasing them mainly because I am not so into Orlando. So for me, the resorts and rooms were nice but not the locations, except for Aulani. I probably should have kept those points but I figured we could stay at Marriott Ko Olina when we went to Oahu. Plus I figured we would not visit Oahu all that often since we like to vary where we go. Overall, I liked the interiors of the villas at Animal Kingdom and Aulani better than comparable villas at Marriott or Westin. We stayed at Marriott Grande last summer. I really was not at all impressed with the quality of the villas. In general, I hate the couches in the Marriotts because the cushions do not stay in place. I think they must purchase low quality couches that do not hold up to high usage. That might be why Marriott needs to refurbish more frequently.

 

[Ty1on]

I used to own over 600 DVC points. I loved the villas at Animal Kingdom and Aulani as well as the resorts. I was not so impressed with the villas at Boardwalk or Polynesian. I owned a lot of points at Grand Floridian but unfortunately, I never ended up staying there. The interiors looked very nice there. I sold my points a couple years after purchasing them mainly because I am not so into Orlando. So for me, the resorts and rooms were nice but not the locations, except for Aulani. I probably should have kept those points but I figured we could stay at Marriott Ko Olina when we went to Oahu. Plus I figured we would not visit Oahu all that often since we like to vary where we go. Overall, I liked the interiors of the villas at Animal Kingdom and Aulani better than comparable villas at Marriott or Westin. We stayed at Marriott Grande last summer. I really was not at all impressed with the quality of the villas. In general, I hate the couches in the Marriotts because the cushions do not stay in place. I think they must purchase low quality couches that do not hold up to high usage. That might be why Marriott needs to refurbish more frequently.

I can fully respect a qualitative opinion of one resort over another. What I took issue with above is using an egregious lack of understanding of a system to denigrate the system.

 

[davidvel]

Fyi everyone, if you didn't know, ndang3 thinks Marriott sucks and DVC is the greatest.