[ Thread is unlocked ] Megarenter Rap Lawsuit

[rickandcindy23]

I wonder if Wyndham would just take back everything, including our platinum membership. I am actually angry enough to give it all back, but I really didn't want to dump the platinum membership initially. Now I am thinking I don't want any part of this company. My life would be fine without Wyndham.

 

[VacayKat]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's a similar number of VIPs (in terms of number of people), but fewer points that those individuals will be using inside 60 days. (Even if your average VIP with a few resale contracts keeps them, there's no longer any reason for them to use those resale points specifically inside 60 days.)

I agree in premise, but personally my approach would be to maximize all my vip points in the discount window so I don’t feel the resale loss and use resale for times I know won’t get upgrade or be available in 60 day window.
For e.g. I’d blow all my resale (and some vip) on my honolulu 10 days in August that I need to drop a kid at college. It’s a higher demand time and a long reservation - upgrade unlikely and no way it would be available within 60 days. But you cn be sure that for the rest of my reservations I’m watching all the other resort availability closely and even considering changing resorts if I find something cheaper to save points in the 60 day window. [not so much this year, but in general]
Essentially given VIP perk loss to the resale points, I think VIP will be looking to maximize their benefits on the vip-eligible, which may in fact make discounts more competitive. Remains to be seen though.

 

[VacayKat]

I wonder if Wyndham would just take back everything, including our platinum membership. I am actually angry enough to give it all back, but I really didn't want to dump the platinum membership initially. Now I am thinking I don't want any part of this company. My life would be fine without Wyndham.

My points are nowhere near yours but even though the changes impact me little that was my exact response to the announcement. I just want them to buy me out and be done with them.
They might just do that for you - especially if they think you will go quietly.

 

[Rolltydr]

If that megarenter was replaced with 10 or 25 or 50 regular owners, now I'm against multiple regular owners all trying to book the second it opens. So I'm not convinced I'm better or worse off with that replacement.

I have to disagree with your premise. I do not believe the vast majority of “regular owners” will be staying up until wee hours of the morning 10-13 months out to book a vacation for their family. Most owners are busy with jobs and can’t plan that far ahead. IMHO, we’ll see more availability for most locations and dates. Obviously, there are high demand locations and dates that will still be tough to get 5-6 months out and the 3-4 bedrooms are always going to be hard because there are so few of them, relatively speaking. However, I believe enforcing the rules will allow more “regular owners” to enjoy their timeshares than is currently possible due to the impact mega-renters have on availability.

 

[Eric B]

I have to disagree with your premise. I do not believe the vast majority of “regular owners” will be staying up until wee hours of the morning 10-13 months out to book a vacation for their family. Most owners are busy with jobs and can’t plan that far ahead. IMHO, we’ll see more availability for most locations and dates. Obviously, there are high demand locations and dates that will still be tough to get 5-6 months out and the 3-4 bedrooms are always going to be hard because there are so few of them, relatively speaking. However, I believe enforcing the rules will allow more “regular owners” to enjoy their timeshares than is currently possible due to the impact mega-renters have on availability.

There are quite a few posts about Midnight Eastern Time bookings in other forums where the megarenter issue isn’t a problem (e.g., Vistana). I’m not sure there’s a good reason to think it would be different in a world without Wyndham megarenters.

Edited to add that it’s only 9 pm for those living on the west coast.

 

[rickandcindy23]

There are quite a few posts about Midnight Eastern Time bookings in other forums where the megarenter issue isn’t a problem (e.g., Vistana). I’m not sure there’s a good reason to think it would be different in a world without Wyndham megarenters.

Edited to add that it’s only 9 pm for those living on the west coast.

I do grab inventory at SDO at midnight Eastern to get spring training week (we only own one Sheraton Desert Oasis), but I have never, ever grabbed Wyndham at midnight. I am a person who rents and might even be considered a "mega renter" but that has never been something we do. Our daughter is tenacious and books within 60 days for discounts and upgrades. So that is where a regular member might lose inventory. Plan ahead and problem solved. If it's there for our daughter, it's there for you. It takes time.

Sheraton Broadway Plantation is something I would love to book at midnight, but Vistana hasn't been able to figure out why I cannot book anything online and have to call to make every reservation. Vistana is calling me today to discuss my issue. I know what the issue is, I am very clear about it, but they are not. We own too many weeks to book online. That is causing the issues.

 

[am1]

I wonder if Wyndham would just take back everything, including our platinum membership. I am actually angry enough to give it all back, but I really didn't want to dump the platinum membership initially. Now I am thinking I don't want any part of this company. My life would be fine without Wyndham.

With that Wyndham wins and no golden parachute.

 

[tschwa2]

With that Wyndham wins and no golden parachute.

Even without a golden parachute she could probably get the 3 years of usage with no MF's and retain platinum benefits on those points for those years for family (on the deeds) to use for personal use.

 

[tschwa2]

My points are nowhere near yours but even though the changes impact me little that was my exact response to the announcement. I just want them to buy me out and be done with them.
They might just do that for you - especially if they think you will go quietly.

I doubt there will be any special buy out unless you are willing to threaten and follow through with legal actions. For most VIP owners regular certified exit/ovations/limited editions or sell independently will be the only options.

 

[VacayKat]

I doubt there will be any special buy out unless you are willing to threaten and follow through with legal actions. For most VIP owners regular certified exit/ovations/limited editions or sell independently will be the only options.

My purchase is fresh (relatively) and I own presidential. They’d need to buy me out. But again, I am collateral damage not the intended target, so not sure they would even care about me.

 

[tschwa2]

My purchase is fresh (relatively) and I own presidential. They’d need to buy me out. But again, I am collateral damage not the intended target, so not sure they would even care about me.

I don't think they would care. Keep what you have and live with the current rules or use certified exit if you can but they won't "pay" to get you out. This isn't going to be an automatic ticket for anyone to get a settlement just because they don't like the new rules.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Even without a golden parachute she could probably get the 3 years of usage with no MF's and retain platinum benefits on those points for those years for family (on the deeds) to use for personal use.

If using CE Limited Edition - I’m not sure if VIPP benefits will still apply - perhaps someone else knows better on this point - but I know that you can only make reservations using named account owners - GC usage is not allowed when using CE LE during the three year grace period.


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[rickandcindy23]

My anger at Wyndham, I just realized this myself, is that I read these posts from owners who blame others for their lack of ability to get vacations they want. They use mega renters as a scape goat (not just owners, but Wyndham) It's as though everyone doesn't have the same opportunity for vacations. You do have the same opportunities.

TUG posts have been very in the face of those who have rented (and I don't own nearly what some of you might think I own). Those not on TUG and don't even know about TUG, they are probably just trying to re-group and figure things out for themselves.

 

[Rolltydr]

Mega-renters: Every VIP owner has the opportunity to book 13 months out as I do and every regular owner at 10 months. Everyone should plan and book at midnight on the first night they can.

Also mega-renters: If I don’t book the units they will sit vacant because nobody else is reserving them.

 

[Ty1on]

Mega-renters: Every VIP owner has the opportunity to book 13 months out as I do and every regular owner at 10 months. Everyone should plan and book at midnight on the first night they can.

Also mega-renters: If I don’t book the units they will sit vacant because nobody else is reserving them.

So that first part is a red herring. VIPs have an extremely limited number of RARP transactions each year, max 6. Not even within artillery distance of enough to make a dent as a renter. After those are used up, VIPs, non-VIPs, and resale owners all are operating within the same constraints. And yes, everyone should plan and book at midnight at 13 or 10 months for a competitive reservation. That advice is given here ad nauseum.

At one time, your "also" would show hypocrisy on the part of megarenters, because they reserved highly sought after reservations, then used cancel-rebook to discount those reservations and expand their usable points for more reservations. However, that exploit has pretty much been destroyed by the way Wyndham handles cancellations now. Therefore, the words you are putting in the mouths of megarenters in the second phrase is more true than untrue today.

 

[paxsarah]

Anti-megarenters: Megarenters book all of the prime locations and units exactly at 13 months.

Also anti-megarenters: Megarenters have been abusing their VIP benefits by booking tens of millions of points inside 60 days.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every possible argument here on all sides over the last few weeks,

 

[paxsarah]

Also mega-renters: If I don’t book the units they will sit vacant because nobody else is reserving them.

I did a quick forum search on “vacant” (also “empty” for good measure) and I don’t see a statement from any known megarenter that even resembles this sentiment in the last month. I’ve seen plenty of “if it’s available inside 60 days, everyone truly has the same shot at it,” but no assertions that it would remain completely unbooked.

 

[Eric B]

Anti-megarenters: Megarenters book all of the prime locations and units exactly at 13 months.

Also anti-megarenters: Megarenters have been abusing their VIP benefits by booking tens of millions of points inside 60 days.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every possible argument here on all sides over the last few weeks,

Also anti-megarenters: Megarenters are violating the rules and polices that Wyndham has established but not disclosed by intending to use their ownership the way that the Wyndham sales force told them they should use it before the current leadership team took over and greatly improved the corporate culture at Wyndham.

 

[paxsarah]

Also anti-megarenters: Megarenters are violating the rules and polices that Wyndham has established but not disclosed by intending to use their ownership the way that the Wyndham sales force told them they should use it before the current leadership team took over and greatly improved the corporate culture at Wyndham.

Yes.

I’m not here to defend the megarenters. I’m just saying I’ve seen a lot of different takes, not always consistent with one another.

 

[55plus]

Don't blame the average VIP owners. They didn't cause the problem. We have/had no other choice than to book a discounted reservation at 60 days out. We had no way to pay for housekeeping if they were at a certain VIP level, etc. The only choice they had was wether or not to request an upgrade. Mega renters abused the flaws in the system to the point Wyndham had to do something. So if mega renters want to blame anyone, look on the mirror

Look at it like this: one mega renter booking, let's say 20 large units at Bonnet Creek for over Christmas, times 10 mega renters equals 200 large units that other owners can't book. They are tied up for commerce and unavailable to others. This behavior at other resorts during high demand timeframes, times another 10 mega renters equal, etc. See the problem?

I'm sorry if some are getting hurt by the changes, but many owners were hurt by the mega renters eating up all the prime inventory. It's that behavior which caused Wyndham to make changes. The changes are needed so owners can use their points for what they are intended, which is personal use, not commerce.

 

[troy12n]

My anger at Wyndham, I just realized this myself, is that I read these posts from owners who blame others for their lack of ability to get vacations they want. They use mega renters as a scape goat (not just owners, but Wyndham) It's as though everyone doesn't have the same opportunity for vacations. You do have the same opportunities.

TUG posts have been very in the face of those who have rented (and I don't own nearly what some of you might think I own). Those not on TUG and don't even know about TUG, they are probably just trying to re-group and figure things out for themselves.

Come on, you all need to take ownership, collectively, of the damage you have done to "the system"... sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the consequences of your actions isn't helping anything... or anyone

Sorry your business is coming to an end, but you shouldn't have been running it to start with and some of you are in severe denial

 

[troy12n]

Anti-megarenters: Megarenters book all of the prime locations and units exactly at 13 months.

Also anti-megarenters: Megarenters have been abusing their VIP benefits by booking tens of millions of points inside 60 days.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every possible argument here on all sides over the last few weeks,

Honestly it's more like this:

Megarenters: I never book at 13/10 months, I only book inside 60 days

Also Megarenters: (bragging) "I booked out all of NOLA for Mardi Gras and GC for thanksgiving and OW for Bike Week" - if you tried to book at 7am, sorry, should have stayed up till midnight like I did

You can't speak out of both sides of your mouth... every single "problem" being addressed by Wyndham right now was caused by Mega Renters. Period. End of Story.

Some VIP's with resale ownership are collateral damage from Wyndham trying to fix the problem created by you guys.

I actually don't feel sorry for any mega renters, I do feel sorry for the rest of ownership who has to deal with losing some level of VIP privilege's they had grown accustomed to, even if not explicitly allowed. But the enemy is the mega renter, not Wyndham...

Anything else is FAKE NEWS

 

[comicbookman]

Honestly it's more like this:

Megarenters: I never book at 13/10 months, I only book inside 60 days

Also Megarenters: (bragging) "I booked out all of NOLA for Mardi Gras and GC for thanksgiving and OW for Bike Week" - if you tried to book at 7am, sorry, should have stayed up till midnight like I did

You can't speak out of both sides of your mouth... every single "problem" being addressed by Wyndham right now was caused by Mega Renters. Period. End of Story.

Some VIP's with resale ownership are collateral damage from Wyndham trying to fix the problem created by you guys.

I actually don't feel sorry for any mega renters, I do feel sorry for the rest of ownership who has to deal with losing some level of VIP privilege's they had grown accustomed to, even if not explicitly allowed. But the enemy is the mega renter, not Wyndham...

Anything else is FAKE NEWS

While I have never been a mega renter, I do think the above ignores one simple fact. The mega renters are also OWNERS. Just because they have more points than you do and are can generate an income, does not change this simple fact. Its like saying landlords are responsible for all the problems for home owners. Mega renters were a Wyndham creation and a Wyndham mistake. Wyndham was responsible for all the problems being addressed and WYndham is causing the collateral damage. lets put the blame where it belongs.

 

[bogey21]

Now I am thinking I don't want any part of this company. My life would be fine without Wyndham.

My way of thinking. Why continue to do business with an entity that (in your opinion) has done you wrong...

George

 

[HitchHiker71]

I wonder if Wyndham would just take back everything, including our platinum membership. I am actually angry enough to give it all back, but I really didn't want to dump the platinum membership initially. Now I am thinking I don't want any part of this company. My life would be fine without Wyndham.

If you don't need it and/or want it - then they might take it all back with CE LE. That said, I recognize the emotions are running high at this moment - and IME that's never a good time to make big decisions. You have to be you of course - but I'd recommend you pause for at least 30-60 days and let these changes play out and then revisit the decision point. A VIPP membership that is fully paid for is certainly worthwhile to someone like me - but it also sounds like you own with quite a few other timeshare systems that you may actually prefer over Wyndham - so I cannot comment with respect to your travel desires and plans in the years ahead.