I would say that it would be Wyndham owners using their rights to the time at the resort in both cases, though the rented ones are for a different use than the ones with an owner staying on a reservation made with their own points. Wyndham has always had the right to set out restrictions in this regard and has done a poor job at it based on all available evidence. I believe the latest effort only addresses the margins still.
actually the use is exactly the same: folks enjoying a vacation
What several fail to realize is when mega renters basically take over a resort ALL availability is gone. A mega renter takes over 90% of the units for a high demand time they control their own upgrades. The mega renter cancels a 4 bedroom they have well over a 90% chance to the auto upgrade or have patterned when the cancelled unit comes back. That’s what most miss on equal chance at reservations. Mega renter cancels 4 bedroom PR unit at 60 days it‘s nearly 100% chance it’ll be their upgrade.
The mega renter has basically tied up the entire resort until inside the 60 day window. The average owner has already given up on that resort so choose a different resort to go to. The mega renter has cancelled & upgraded all the 3&4 bedroom units. So they cancel a non rented studio at 17 days out, what good is that for a family with kids?
Do mega renters basically take over resorts at times? It’s a fact yes they do & it has been reported by some here in this forum. A well known member basically took over a resort for Mardi Gras so if you wanted to stay there you had no other choice than to rent from them. Another member here reported another resort was around 95% renters for Thanksgiving. By controlling the upgrades it creates more points left for them to make more reservations than what their ownership supports.
Do you want 100 happy owners for a weekend or 1 mega renter?
Now you have done it.... You have gone and poked the bear...
You can go ahead and use my name. I think anyone thats been around here any length of time knows who you are talking about
The thing is, you dont know what you are talking about. And if you are going to argue that this mega renter, took over a resort to make your argument against renting...you lose.
First La Belle Maison ... There are 134 units at this property. When I was active you had to call in at exactly 8am, 13 months ahead of check in to get a Mardi Gras reservation, and then as now you had to own either CWA points or La Belle Maison points to get an ARP reservation I owned both My problem was that by the time I finished making my reservations using La Belle Maison points the CWA reservations were gone... so I uses all my La Belle Maison points for Mardi Gras reservations.. I went for the 4 night reservations ahead of Mardi Gras Tuesday, (Fri, Sat, Sun and Mon). There were very few 2 bedroom units at the resort, so I didnt even try for them.. I would make one studio reservation and as many one bedrooms as I could. To get them all I would need about about 15 million LBM points, I had less than 4 mm, but remember that I wasnt the only person on the phone and the reservations clerk I was talking to, wasnt the only one working. So what would happen is that the reservations were gone before I was able to use all my points.. I would generally get 10 + reservations...I never got as many as 20... so 10% maybe...hardly control
Avenue Plaza has 264 units..(i think). A big chunk of those units are Worldmark units.. I owned some Worldmark credits, but thats not under discussion here, another big piece of the resort was deeded weeks, sold by the guy (Mr John) that converted the property to timeshares. Some of those weeks had been converted to points but could only be used in the ARP window for the week noted on the deed, some were no doubt Mardi Gras, but not many... I owned two dedicated Mardi Gras weeks not converted to points, but .. also not under discussion. Any weeks unsold by Mr John were taken over by Wyndham after Mr John died. and as near as I can tell, the ones not put into Worldmark, went into CWA.
So at 13 months I used my CWA points for as many Avenue Plaza reservations as possible... But remember I started on the phone working with my La Belle Maison points... By the time we got to Avenue Plaza they were gone.
I never understood why, but there were always some Mardi Gras reservations available at 10 months... Not many and you had to be quick, but I always got a couple then.. Bottom line using Wyndham points at Avenue Plaza I might have 5 Mardi Gras reservations
since we are talking about control, lets look at all of Wyndham and all of my ownerships... out of about 400 units I could get at best 50 reservations or
12% (and most of them were Worldmark) thats not enough to control anything. You might say I was lucky to get that...
and dont think cancel and rebook and upgrade increases the number of reservations. If anything Id lose a reservation or two in the 60 day window And there was no such loophole with worldmark or the weeks ownerships, At LaBelle, if I was lucky , Id start with 10 one bedroom reservations and one studio and end up with 10 one bedrooms at half the studio price and one half price studio.. Nice to be sure, but still only 11 units to rent. (the points I got back doing the cancel and rebook thing couldnt be used for Mardi Gras,, those reservations were already taken.. I did use them for other things, but usually I just flipped them for cost to a points manager
This argument is not accurate. EVERY purchase has to be approved by Wyndham. I literally did not say they purchased developer points. I’m not stupid. But if Wyndham approves of the transaction, they condone it, and therefore your point is just about not addressing the question I posed.
also consider that every point purchased on the secondary market was sold by Wyndham at full price originally. Wyndham strips the VIP benefit upon resale...how fair is that??
