What a jerk: Abandon your date on a hike to continue on and she ends up dead

[DrQ]

Phoenix cop who took online date, 31, for hike in Arizona desert before she was found dead was disciplined for LYING to police in 2009: Her friend questions why he abandoned her halfway through walk

• Angela Tramonte, 31, went for a hike up Camelback Mountain on Friday with Phoenix Police Officer Dario Dizdar
• She was found dead at around 4.40pm off the Echo Canyon Trail near a home at the base of the mountain
• Dizdar told investigators that Tramonte had become 'overheated' and decided to turn around about halfway up the mountain, while he continued up the peak
• When he returned back to the parking lot, Didzar said Tramonte was nowhere to be found and he called emergency services to report her missing
• Tramonte had traveled to Arizona from Massachusetts to meet Dizdar in person for the first time after talking to him via Instagram for two months
• Authorities have said they do not suspect 'foul play' was involved
• Tramonte's her friends in Massachusetts called for a 'thorough investigation'
• Records showed Didzar was disciplined in 2009 after he lied to cops about who he was during a criminal investigation and gave them a false name and age

Cop who took woman on deadly AZ hike has history of lying to police

Angela Tramonte was found dead near the base of Camelback Mountain in Phoenix, Arizona, on Friday after going for a hike with police officer Dario Dizdar, whom she'd met online.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He may not have done anything criminal, but REALLY, you don't stop your hike and walk with her to make sure she gets back to safety?!?!

 

[Luanne]

I belong to a hiking group. Our rule is NO ONE hikes alone. If someone needs to stop, or turns back, someone else will remain with them. This guy is a jerk.

 

[BingoBangoBongo]

I’ve seen people headed up trails totally unprepared wearing sandals and no water. You’d think somebody trained as a first responder would understand the basics involved on a 104 degree day. Plus she supposedly displays signs of stress and he lets her turn around solo? My $ is on some type of disagreement that unfortunately ended with her dead.

 

[geekette]

No traumatic injuries found on her. He is suspicious, and shows bad judgement, but may be in the clear.

Call me a wimp, but 104 is not when I want to go hiking. No water?? that's nuts, especially as she was so fitness-obsessed.

What a tragedy. And, yes,what a jerk.

 

[jehb2]

Authorities have said they do not suspect 'foul play' was involved

Sounds like another agency needs to take over the investigation.

 

[DrQ]

Sounds like another agency needs to take over the investigation.

It sounds like extreme indifference. It falls more in the range of civil law. Usually, for criminal, there has to be intent.

Women, remember his name and RUN AWAY

 

[BJRSanDiego]

I’ve seen people headed up trails totally unprepared wearing sandals and no water. You’d think somebody trained as a first responder would understand the basics involved on a 104 degree day. Plus she supposedly displays signs of stress and he lets her turn around solo? My $ is on some type of disagreement that unfortunately ended with her dead.

I generally won't hike if the temp is above 90 F. When I hike I always carry water. and the amount depends on the conditions and the duration of the hike.

One time I was hiking in Sedona with temps in the upper 80s and ran across a younger fellow, dressed with long pants and with no water and a 5 pound hiking stick and his face was red. He looked slightly in distress. He looked like he was overheating and needed water. I was concerned and told him to wait for a red-jeep tour (there were lots of them) and ask them for some water. I know that the Jeep tours are very empathetic and would give water to anyone in need. Also, I knew that the red-jeep tours would show up every 10-15 minutes. I took my hike and on my return I found him in roughly the same place. I asked him if he seen any red-jeep tours and he said that he had. I asked him if he asked them for water. He said that he did NOT. I had personally brought exactly enough water for my hike (I typically don't hike with a lot of water and perhaps should bring more) but not enough for two people. On one hand I felt sorry that I didn't take on personal risk to offer him some of my precious water but on the other hand I thought that he was remiss and should have asked the red-jeep tour people for water or should have brought some for himself. Maybe I should have offered him some of my own water and put myself in risk.

BTW, I have consciously and seriously risked my life a few times in my life to save others. It was a very conscious decision. I knew that I was doing something ill-advised and extremely risky but I knew in my heart that I had to do it. It was part of my moral compass. Those people survived. Me too. But in this case with the fellow that didn't bring any water and who didn't follow my advice to ask a good source for water, I "passed". The people I risked my life for seemed - - in my opinion - - to have been very innocent. I thought that this fellow used poor judgement too many times. Maybe I should have risked my life for him. Perhaps with half my water I would still have been okay. Or maybe not. Opinions? How far should a person go to risk his/her life to help someone with very poor judgment ?? Perhaps an rhetorical question....

 

[Snazzylass]

Local hikers are following this story closely and trying to understand what really happened. Truly sad!

There is no reason for a young, fit woman to be dead. Some speculate that they did not really go on the hike, though I do believe there may be one photo of them on the trail.
I agree with @BJBSanDiego in general. I am seeing more and more younger hikers in Sedona not dressed appropriately and some with clearly not enough water. I always hope they have the sense to turn around. One group of young men were drinking beers. A young man in his 20's was found dead this week. I cannot understand how this happened.

I have carried extra bottles of water and given them out in Phx to old men who should have known better, though I recently switched to a 3L Camelbak which I love. I met an experienced local on this very trail who sprained his ankle and would have a tough time getting down. Now I carry an Ace bandage.

I'm glad the above story is getting national attention. It needs to be investigated thoroughly. These 2 people met online. Supposedly they started at 10:30am. At 1pm he called for help. At 5pm her body was located after multiple helicopters and ground support searched for her. It was immediately determined she was beyond resuscitation.
He has taken a leave of absence from the Phx police Department. There are Go Fund me accounts set up.

As a weird aside, I recently hiked on an especially cool morning with a local, extremely fit man. 600 ft up and up. 4 miles. bleh. He carried 2 milk jugs full of water just to make the experience more difficult. He never drank a drop. Apparently there are fitness gurus who hydrate before hiking but I do not see myself ever doing that!
It's possible the police officer felt confident about doing this hike without water, but he should have made sure she had some.

 

[geekette]

I generally won't hike if the temp is above 90 F. When I hike I always carry water. and the amount depends on the conditions and the duration of the hike.

One time I was hiking in Sedona with temps in the upper 80s and ran across a younger fellow, dressed with long pants and with no water and a 5 pound hiking stick and his face was red. He looked slightly in distress. He looked like he was overheating and needed water. I was concerned and told him to wait for a red-jeep tour (there were lots of them) and ask them for some water. I know that the Jeep tours are very empathetic and would give water to anyone in need. Also, I knew that the red-jeep tours would show up every 10-15 minutes. I took my hike and on my return I found him in roughly the same place. I asked him if he seen any red-jeep tours and he said that he had. I asked him if he asked them for water. He said that he did NOT. I had personally brought exactly enough water for my hike (I typically don't hike with a lot of water and perhaps should bring more) but not enough for two people. On one hand I felt sorry that I didn't take on personal risk to offer him some of my precious water but on the other hand I thought that he was remiss and should have asked the red-jeep tour people for water or should have brought some for himself. Maybe I should have offered him some of my own water and put myself in risk.

BTW, I have consciously and seriously risked my life a few times in my life to save others. It was a very conscious decision. I knew that I was doing something ill-advised and extremely risky but I knew in my heart that I had to do it. It was part of my moral compass. Those people survived. Me too. But in this case with the fellow that didn't bring any water and who didn't follow my advice to ask a good source for water, I "passed". The people I risked my life for seemed - - in my opinion - - to have been very innocent. I thought that this fellow used poor judgement too many times. Maybe I should have risked my life for him. Perhaps with half my water I would still have been okay. Or maybe not. Opinions? How far should a person go to risk his/her life to help someone with very poor judgment ?? Perhaps an rhetorical question....

He didn’t need you. You already told him how to help himself. You might have come across someone in worse shape. Personally, thank you for being a good human. Knowing when to don the cape to save seems to be something you already know, Don’t second guess yourself on this one. If he was too ... shy or silly or whatever ... to ask Red Jeep he also may not have accepted water from you, either.

 

[Luanne]

I don't care where you are hiking, what the temperature is. Always, always take water. And never, never hike alone.

 

[dioxide45]

I generally won't hike if the temp is above 90 F. When I hike I always carry water. and the amount depends on the conditions and the duration of the hike.

One time I was hiking in Sedona with temps in the upper 80s and ran across a younger fellow, dressed with long pants and with no water and a 5 pound hiking stick and his face was red. He looked slightly in distress. He looked like he was overheating and needed water. I was concerned and told him to wait for a red-jeep tour (there were lots of them) and ask them for some water. I know that the Jeep tours are very empathetic and would give water to anyone in need. Also, I knew that the red-jeep tours would show up every 10-15 minutes. I took my hike and on my return I found him in roughly the same place. I asked him if he seen any red-jeep tours and he said that he had. I asked him if he asked them for water. He said that he did NOT. I had personally brought exactly enough water for my hike (I typically don't hike with a lot of water and perhaps should bring more) but not enough for two people. On one hand I felt sorry that I didn't take on personal risk to offer him some of my precious water but on the other hand I thought that he was remiss and should have asked the red-jeep tour people for water or should have brought some for himself. Maybe I should have offered him some of my own water and put myself in risk.

BTW, I have consciously and seriously risked my life a few times in my life to save others. It was a very conscious decision. I knew that I was doing something ill-advised and extremely risky but I knew in my heart that I had to do it. It was part of my moral compass. Those people survived. Me too. But in this case with the fellow that didn't bring any water and who didn't follow my advice to ask a good source for water, I "passed". The people I risked my life for seemed - - in my opinion - - to have been very innocent. I thought that this fellow used poor judgement too many times. Maybe I should have risked my life for him. Perhaps with half my water I would still have been okay. Or maybe not. Opinions? How far should a person go to risk his/her life to help someone with very poor judgment ?? Perhaps an rhetorical question....

Perhaps the only thing you could have done different, at least after the second time coming across him was waited with him until you saw a red-jeep tour and asked them for water for him. Some people aren't comfortable asking for these kinds of things. Kind of like men asking for directions...

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

When we hike the first leg of the Kalalau Trail, we often encounter who haven't heeded advice about the amount of water needed. After underestimating my water need on the trail my first time, we always be sure that we have ample. On our way back, if we know we have extra, we have given water to people who clearly needed it.