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Coronavirus Wreaking Havoc on Your Travel Plans?

I am in Disney and have been since Friday.
You would never know there was Coronavirus worries judging by the crowds.
Noone is wearing a mask.
Panic has not hit the majority of folks.
We are all washing our hands and and trying our best to be safe. Unless you live in a bubble you can catch it anywhere. Having said this I wouldnt be going on a cruise.
 
I am in Disney and have been since Friday.
You would never know there was Coronavirus worries judging by the crowds.
Noone is wearing a mask.
Panic has not hit the majority of folks.
We are all washing our hands and and trying our best to be safe. Unless you live in a bubble you can catch it anywhere. Having said this I wouldnt be going on a cruise.

Perhaps they didn't get the terrifying news from mainstream media that everyone should be stockpiling food and dry goods in their bunkers for the imminent
apocalypse that awaits us!

Please..... you must warn them all! :eek:
 
I live in New England and we go to New York and Boston regularly. That's on hold for us for the foreseeable future.

It appears the new virus carries a significant risk of death for men age 70 and above. Italy, despite its world-class healthcare system (better than U.S. healthcare by most measures), reports an overall death rate of about 4%. In Italy, patients who died were mostly men with an average age of 81.

It's fair to assume that anyone age 70-plus or who has a pre-existing heart, lung or other circulatory issue, if they pick up the virus, has a 10% or higher chance they will die of it. That's my demographic, so I'm going to stay near home and avoid crowds as much as possible.

New York State Now Has Most Cases In The U.S.
 
Ok serious note here. Just traveled thru JFK to SLC. Who thinks I should self quarantine?
 
No not every person catches this from someone. If you get a fever go get checked.
Some dont even know they have it. You cant test every person in the world.
 
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 34 million flu illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths from flu.

Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality

Of the 136 influenza-associated pediatric deaths occurring during the 2019-2020 season and reported to CDC:

93 deaths were associated with influenza B viruses, and 18 had a lineage determined; all were B/Victoria viruses.
43 deaths were associated with influenza A viruses, and 24 were subtyped; 23 were A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses, and one was an A(H3) virus.



As of Monday, COVID-19 has claimed the lives of perhaps 22 Americans. Let's see, it only has 19,978 deaths to go to catch up. And our children well, up to this
date COVID-19 has claimed 0, none. Which one should we panic about?


Keep in Mind
Chances are you've had a coronavirus infection in the past but thought it was a cold. If you have any concerns about a cough, fever, or other symptoms, call your doctor.

 
Ok serious note here. Just traveled thru JFK to SLC. Who thinks I should self quarantine?
If you washed your hands, wiped down the tray table and kept your hands away from your face, you're prolly good to go. But stay out of crowds- especially old, sick people for a while and don't ride the bus out to the site. Check with your doc if you get a fever or cough. Welcome back! how long were you back in your ancestral home? :) BTW, nice new avatar.

Jim
 
Rick and Cindy,

I just came off the Norwegian Jade in Singapore on February 6, 2020 and I would say to you take them up on the re-book/future cruise credit offer and RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY as FAST AS YOU CAN!! You do NOT want to go to Italy now. Terrible time to be there -- surely every tourist attraction will be closed. People on our February Norwegian Cruise and the one immediately afterwards, were absolutely FURIOUS and said they would never cruise with Norwegian again.

Biggest issue: Really, they did not keep people updated as situations were changing, usually not until 24 hours beforehand. For our cruise dates, Norwegian refused to give refunds, so people came on the cruise because they felt trapped financially. Some people at the last minute, decided against going on the cruise because the coronavirus situation was worsening day by day in China. Those people said on Cruise Critic that they lost thousands & thousands of dollars on their cruise costs, airfares, non-cancellable hotels pre and post cruise, independent tours, etc. A lot of Cruise Critic people have complained that the bad thing about many of the travel insurance policies is that their travel insurance would get them OUT of the situation if they CAUGHT coronavirus and had to cancel the remainder of their trip. But said their trip insurance did not cover the fact that they did not want to GO on the trip because of the RISK coronavirus. I think the only insurance that covers that is the "cancel for any reason insurance" and that only gives you 50% reimbursement for the standard policy or 75% reimbursement if you paid the highest premium rate.

We were very fortunate because no one on our cruise ever had a fever, and everything went off without a hitch. We departed on schedule from Hong Kong on January 30, successfully went to all 4 of our scheduled Vietnam ports: (1)Hanoi/HaLong Bay, (2)Hue/DaNang/HoiAn, (3)Nha Trang, and (4)PhuMy/Saigon/HoChiMinh City, and then disembarked on schedule at Singapore. The cruise after us was scheduled to do the exact same ports in Reverse heading back to HongKong. But while we were on our cruise, the mayor of Hong Kong decided to close the port. So, that left people on the cruise after us (the Feb 6th cruise was Singapore to Hong Kong) needing to change their flights home. My understanding was that a lot of people didn't know until they actually boarded the ship on Feb 6th in Singapore, that they should change their return flight to be from Singapore instead of Hong Kong. They said that Norwegian gave them free phone/internet help to do that. But, again, Norwegian didn't offer to let anyone cancel the cruise & get refunds. There were lots of people on our cruise that were doing back-to-back (B2B) cruises, and were staying on the Jade for the Feb 6th cruise which was a 11-day cruise with a slightly different itinerary because they were scheduled for an overnight in Bangkok, Thailand & another port, before heading up the coast for the same 4 Vietnam ports we visited the week before. Thank Goodness we were not on that ship as a B2B, because I hear that anyone on the Feb 6th cruise who had been in Hong Kong within the last 14 days had to leave the ship, mid-cruise.

Anyways, I understand the Jade was able to make the ports in Thailand & Cambodia, but Vietnam decided to close all its ports to cruise ships. So, the Feb 6th cruise ended up with 6 Sea Days before heading back to Singapore! I don't know all of their plights, as I wasn't on that cruise -- but the concensus seemed to be that "yes, ports close, things happen -- but Norwegian put their concerns for profits ahead of their concerns for their passengers". Many were angry because they didn't know if their cruise was going to be cancelled, or not, when people had long flights and hotel rooms booked. Eventually, Norwegian DID decide to cancel the following mid-February cruise. But how many people were already enroute, or had already arrived in Singapore days earlier? Unfortunately, Norwegian was extremely slow to make decisions about things, and slow in notifying passengers that would be affected. That seems what people were most upset about. They say other cruise lines were cancelling cruises well ahead of time, and not leaving their passengers scrambling to make alternative arrangements at the last minute. There are reviews from passengers on Cruise Critic about the February cruise fiascos. Link: https://www.cruisecritic.com/memberreviews/memberreview.cfm?EntryID=678797

My cruise was fine, but I doubt that I would book with Norwegian again, based on the experiences of the cruisers after ours. Anyways, I think we will probably skip cruising for the next 12 months, or so. We are young retirees, but my husband has diabetes, takes high blood pressure meds, and has sleep apnea (but won't use his machine). Now I have a better understanding that he is truly in a HIGH RISK category when something like Coronavirus comes along. So, we will cancel our upcoming confirmed RCI exchange for Venice, Italy scheduled for August 2020. We made it safely out of one Coronavirus region --- with all the face masks everywhere, closed tourist attractions, daily temperature checks before you are allowed to enter your hotel, or a bank, or a museum. I have no desire to re-enter the belly of the beast again! I am sure we can find something interesting to do this summer here in the US.

Our trip was pretty long: 2 days in Hong Kong before the cruise on the Jade, the 7-day Vietnam cruise (meh), a 2-week Gate1 Escorted Tour of Thailand (THAT was the highlight!! Wow!), and a week in Singapore. Luckily, we were always just ahead of travel bans that would NOT have allowed us in because we had been in Hong Kong. Originally, the bans were on China-only, but as our trip progressed, Hong Kong & Macau were then included as a part of Mainland China. Had we not already been in Thailand or Singapore at that time, we would have been banned from entering. When touring the Grand Palace in Bangkok our tour guide told us how lucky we were. Usually 50,000 per day visit the Grand Palace, but with the China ban in place there are only 5,000 people per day visiting the Grand Palace.

Now, Thailand will no longer allow people in who have been in Singapore without a mandatory 2-week quarantine. Singapore only has 50 active cases of Coronavirus in a city/state with a population of 5 million people --- so Thailand's travel ban makes absolutely no sense. There seems to be a lot of fear, both on the part of people as well as countries.

We were never sick, never coughed, no fever, wore our face masks, washed hands constantly, and drenched ourselves in hand sanitizer. But when we arrived back in the USA, still, my husband & I have self-quarantined ourselves for 2 weeks. We are fine with no symptoms or health issues, but what if we are "asymptomatic carriers" of coronavirus? We just couldn't take the chance of possibly infecting someone else. I don't want to be famous for being patient #1 bringing Covid-19 to my community. Plus, in all honesty, the people in our gym, and my watercolor classes, and all my friends are soooo happy we are self-quarantining. I can hear it in their voices on the phone -- they don't want to be exposed to someone who may have accidentally come into contact with the virus.

For Rick & Cindy who are thinking of a trip to Italy in April --- I think anyone coming from Italy, Iran, Korea & China will have to deal with the REAL possibility of 14-day mandatory quarantines after returning, and/or being denied entry from a wide assortment of countries. There is a LOT of worry out there about the fact that someone can have Covid-19 and have no fever or symptoms. Countries seem to be resorting to the idea that "you can't come HERE if you've been THERE". Plus, Italy will be much more enjoyable without face masks, empty streets, closed tourist attractions, etc. Having just left a Coronavirus-infected region, I can tell you it can add a LOT of extra stress to your trip. And you are not really able to see and enjoy the country at its best. Everyone is a little stressed-out

Also, Italy has announced that someone at the Vatican has coronavirus. So I would not be surpised if soon the Vatican musuems are closed, Sistine Chapel is closed, as well as many places in Rome that attract large crowds of tourists. Even today, people on Cruise Critic are saying the Jade has had problems with port closures enroute from Singapore to Dubai. Apparently Dubai has just closed it's port and now Celebrity is scrambling for a port to disembark in. A lot of people are experiencing a lot of stress and chaos (as are the cruise lines) as Eqypt & Israel shut the door, and people's vacation plans are ruined.

Many people scheduled for March cruises on the Norwegian Jade are worried about Italy & other European ports closing, as the cruise ships leave Asia heading for Spring/Summer cruises in the Mediterrean. The best place to get the latest news are on the Cruise Critic BBS section called "Roll Calls". There will be a roll call for the date of your cruise, but it is always a good idea to read the last pages of the roll calls ahead of yours -- to find out what's going on/being discussed. Unfortunately, once a ship has sailed you'll no longer be able to see it's roll call unless you have made a post.

Just sharing my experiences and my two cents worth -- from someone just back from the "original" Coronavirus regions - Asia.

--- Rene
Whoa, Rene. Your warning is monumental in our decision to talk to our kids about this cruise. I keep hoping Norwegian will just cancel it completely, so they cannot restrict our ability to use the money in the future on a cruise for any dates we want. We cannot travel just anytime. This fall would not work.

I lost Chase UR points for hotels in Venice already. Delta has been gracious to us, and I hope they continue to be gracious, when we have to cancel those flights that are now scheduled into Rome.
 
If you washed your hands, wiped down the tray table and kept your hands away from your face, you're prolly good to go. But stay out of crowds- especially old, sick people for a while and don't ride the bus out to the site. Check with your doc if you get a fever or cough. Welcome back! how long were you back in your ancestral home? :) BTW, nice new avatar.

Jim
 
Perhaps they didn't get the terrifying news from mainstream media that everyone should be stockpiling food and dry goods in their bunkers for the imminent
apocalypse that awaits us!

Please..... you must warn them all! :eek:

Gotta disagree with you. I haven’t seen a single news report or article from anyone in the mainstream media stating that everyone “should” be stockpiling anything. They are reporting what people are doing because that is their job. The only things I’ve seen them reporting that people “should” do are the guidelines from the CDC and other health organizations, such as wash your hands, don’t touch your face, don’t get on cruise ships, etc.




Harry
 
We just cancelled travel for 85 YO MIL for NYC. Put Hamilton Tickets on Broadway for sale, mid-April, selling at cost. Ideal for someone local. PM me if interested.

Taking wait and see approach if DH and I will pull the plug on our April trip. Problem is that Alaska won't refund tickets.
 
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My travel plans this year have changed quite a bit. A trip to San Juan for later in March was cancelled back in January, but that was done for medical reasons. The TPA to SJU flight was booked on miles and the hotel on points so nothing was lost. I cancelled last month a trip to San Diego in May because I am uncomfortable now flying from TPA to SAN. Instead I deposited the week in Interval and the flight was booked on miles, so they were recovered. I gave away my September week in San Francisco to family in Oceanside, CA - they can drive there. Again, don't want to fly now to SFO. Still planning a return to Cuba in late May (we were there last December). But that is church related and could yet be cancelled. The TPA to HAV flight isn't that long.

I withdrew from an organized church trip to Israel and Jordon set for this July. I lost my deposit on that one as I thought the insurance for cancellation was high. It was almost as much as the deposit of $500.00. The church group is still scheduled to go, but I am too worried about the long flight and fear getting sick so far from home. That was a dream trip of mine since I have always wanted to travel to Israel and have never gone. Our annual November church cruise to somewhere in the Caribbean is probably cancelled too, but no decision has been made yet.

A lot of changes I wish didn't happen.
 
Our son-in-law works at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, and their spring break trip to Seattle is cancelled. Work won't allow him to travel to Seattle because of the outbreak there. That makes no sense to me. I used WorldMark points to get them a 1 bedroom at The Camlin. Those points are gone.

The Camlin is typically fully booked. (It was a week ago when we were there). If so you would likely get credits back if room taken. However, a week ago is a long time in the current environment.
 
Looks like Delta is now doing the right thing and removing change fees on previously booked tickets. I hope the rest of the airlines follow this lead. (Wish I had booked on Delta)

 
In Kauai near a cruise ship, flying to Oakland, attending some sporting events for 3 weeks then going to Indian Wells. Luckily none of my plans are risky.

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Israel has just announced a 14 day quarantine for ALL international travelers seeking entry into country:

"All people entering Israel from abroad will be required to spend 14 days in home-isolation, the prime minister said Monday. The measure is effective immediately for Israelis and will go into effect for foreigners in 72 hours.
The isolation requirement applies to both Israelis and foreign travelers alike. No non-citizens will be able to enter Israel without proving they have a place to stay out their quarantine."

 
We had a large family cruise on June with MSC (Western Caribbean). As half of the group read over 60 years old... We decided to cancel. I'm thinking last minute deals may be avail later on May... If not, it's a want not a need.
 
I am currently on the ship and have quarantined to our room since Wednesday at noon. Since then, we have had no choice of what we get for breakfast (if anything) we have usually two choices for lunch or dinner. I have questioned the freshness of the food. It is usually something with beef cubes and a different gravy covering it each day. Last night at 1:30 am I got sick from it. Last night at 2 am some men dressed in hazmat gear came to our door and asked us questions. Unfortunately my cousin had all the symptoms they asked about. She should be off the ship today, with the ill. Fortunately I feel fine and think my health is good. I will be sent to Travis AFB near my home or Miramar in the San Diego area. Out of state residents and others will be off later (don't know when.) On a final note we can get all the alcohol and water we want, but don't ask for coffee, especially in the morning.
 
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Well Italy just now quarantined the whole country through April 3.
I hoping I get my Italy travel package refunded now
 
Taking wait and see approach if DH and I will pull the plug on our April trip. Problem is that Alaska won't refund tickets.
Same with us. Supposed to go to Seattle in May. I have little confidence it will be contained by then. It looks like we might get credit for the flights, but will lose the money for the upgraded seats. My dd keeps telling me to call Alaska and explain. I doubt that will do much good.
 
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I checked on our United/Lufthansa flights to/from Italy in June/July. They said that since we bought from an agent, that we have to get refunds through the agent. I notified them and was told they would charge $600 each and that they would just hold the credit for future travel. We are pretty sure that our travel insurance will reimburse for the cancellation fee. They were allegedly non-refundable tix, so anything is better than nothing. Sort of. So now, we are out $2200 in cancellation fees and travel insurance premiums. AND no trip. This is beginning to suck!
 
I checked on our United/Lufthansa flights to/from Italy in June/July. They said that since we bought from an agent, that we have to get refunds through the agent. I notified them and was told they would charge $600 each and that they would just hold the credit for future travel. We are pretty sure that our travel insurance will reimburse for the cancellation fee. They were allegedly non-refundable tix, so anything is better than nothing. Sort of. So now, we are out $2200 in cancellation fees and travel insurance premiums. AND no trip. This is beginning to suck!
I thought you had said that you will be filing a travel insurance claim against this? Is that still the plan?

When we cancelled our cruises, we forfeited $1800 non-refundable deposit although a chunk of it could be applied to another cruise within 12 months, in which we have zero interest in booking another cruise. We paid United $100 to redeposit miles back into my account. So we are out $1900.
 
I thought you had said that you will be filing a travel insurance claim against this? Is that still the plan?
We are. But so far the hit is $600 each for the cancellation fee (which we may or may not get back, and the travel insurance premium of roughly $500 each. And this doesn't address the $2,000ish each that Celebrity wants to credit us for a future cruise that we may or may not take. (and THAT isn't looking likely)
 
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