Costco and Coronavirus Panic-Shopping

[Brett]

They really don’t know if it is more deadly. People with mild symptoms that get ok are not in the statistics if they didn’t go to the doctor and get tested.

hey - I'm not panicking, I'm not worried .... yet

 

[WinniWoman]

Almost everyone I know is sick now. Flu is still out there in high numbers. Unless you feel much better I would stay home and do an online food order. You don’t want to relapse.

Hubby came with me. Thank goodness I did not cough when there. Hubby wheeled the cart with disinfectant wipes under his hands. I somehow had the energy to get through it and because we went early in the morning we got in and out quickly as there were hardly any shoppers.

Once we got home and I started putting things away that did me in so will be resting the rest of the day. Making me crazy, though! I don’t like wasting away the days! I have lists of things to do!

I am just getting used to the stores here. I try out the different ones to see what will work best long term. One good thing is we now are well stocked as best we can be. Shaw’s does have home delivery so that is good to know. And then there’s Walmart also with pick up and I think Hannafords has that- not sure.

I will say the shelves were stocked- no shortages of toilet paper either- and I was also able to buy a thermometer since ours broke and I need to check my temperature. I can’t even tell you when the last time was that I took my temperature or my husbands! Lol!

 

[WinniWoman]

In terms of the regular flu deaths- is it because these people do not get the flu shot?

 

[b2bailey]

Hubby came with me. Thank goodness I did not cough when there. Hubby wheeled the cart with disinfectant wipes under his hands. I somehow had the energy to get through it and because we went early in the morning we got in and out quickly as there were hardly any shoppers.

Once we got home and I started putting things away that did me in so will be resting the rest of the day. Making me crazy, though! I don’t like wasting away the days! I have lists of things to do!

I am just getting used to the stores here. I try out the different ones to see what will work best long term. One good thing is we now are well stocked as best we can be. Shaw’s does have home delivery so that is good to know. And then there’s Walmart also with pick up and I think Hannafords has that- not sure.

I will say the shelves were stocked- no shortages of toilet paper either- and I was also able to buy a thermometer since ours broke and I need to check my temperature. I can’t even tell you when the last time was that I took my temperature or my husbands! Lol!

I haven't owned a thermometer for years. I suppose that should be at top of my next shopping list for CVS. Maybe a good item to use my 40% off coupon.

 

[Panina]

In terms of the regular flu deaths- is it because these people do not get the flu shot?

My dad had the flu shot, got it, never fully recovered, kept having infections and the Lord took him. There are many strands of flu. The flu shots are a guess at what will be the problem. There are strands the flu shot does not protect us from just like the coronavirus.

 

[WinniWoman]

My dad had the flu shot, got it, never fully recovered, kept having infections and the Lord took him. There are many strands of flu. The flu shots are a guess at what will be the problem. There are strands the flu shot does not protect us from just like the coronavirus.

Very sorry. Terrible.

So the flu shot is not very effective with all these people dying from it? This is why I have resisted getting it every single year. A lot of vaccine in the body every single year that still might not work

I am all for vaccines but this one always seems to me to be losing the chase.

 

[VacationForever]

Very sorry. Terrible.

So the flu shot is not very effective with all these people dying from it? This is why I have resisted getting it every single year. A lot of vaccine in the body every single year that still might not work

I am all for vaccines but this one always seems to me to be losing the chase.

Even if flu shot does not get it 100% right, it still offers some protection which can mean the difference between dying from the flu or not.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

According to World Health Org (WHO), the latest mortality rate is 3.4% compared to < 1% for flu. (IMO...This mortality rate could flatten over time as we get more testing results, however the uncertainty is rattling the markets.)

 

[Passepartout]

My Kroger was limiting all brands of antiseptic gel. You can buy much soap as you want.

So the flu shot is not very effective with all these people dying from it? This is why I have resisted getting it every single year. A lot of vaccine in the body every single year that still might not work

Mary Ann. I'm hoping for your speedy recovery. There are 2 main flu strains. Type A and type B. It's more than 'luck' which one will turn up each year. However if you get the type A vaccine and type B is prevalent, it's severity will be significantly reduced. You might still get the flu, but odds are you'll recover much more quickly than if you didn't get the vaccine.

Still, they are telling us that the danger of dying of flu is 0.05%, while COVID-19 has a death rate of something like 3.3%- roughly 20X higher, simply because NOBODY has immunity. This infection is new. Unheard of. It will take time to work out exactly how it passes between people, and develop a vaccine and/or effective treatment. For now, the best we can do is try to contain it through isolation. That's troubling because people who work paycheck to paycheck without sick leave, or with kids in school and can't afford to take time off will continue to go out into the community and pass the virus around.
Take good care, and get well. And remember, with viruses, you don't develop an immunity if you get sick and recover. You can get re-infected and sick again. Unlike bacterial infections that we usually develop immunity from.

Jim

 

[Steve Fatula]

while COVID-19 has a death rate of something like 3.3%- roughly 20X higher, simply because NOBODY has immunity.

It's also 3+% because they have no clue of how many people have been infected as many have no symptoms are were caught and tested merely by being on the wrong cruise ship, etc. The final rate I suspect will be well under 1%. If I get the virus but don't have any symptoms, I am not counted in the death rate calc. They have no spread models to predict the real mortality rate. It is obvious that they have no idea of how many people actually have been infected. They only know those that have been tested.

From WHO:

"The fatality rate for Covid-19 is considered preliminary, especially given that experts are not sure how many mild cases are going undetected by health systems"

From Livescience:

"Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%"

About mortality rates:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...h-rates-so-hard-to-calculate-experts-weigh-in

 

[Brett]

According to World Health Org (WHO), the latest mortality rate is 3.4% compared to < 1% for flu. (IMO...This mortality rate could flatten over time as we get more testing results, however the uncertainty is rattling the markets.)

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Definitely uncertainty surrounding the coronavirus is rattling the stock markets
The death rate could be 3.4% or 2.2% or something else
I got a hunch it could be 2.9% .... but I'm not a medical expert


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[Rolltydr]

It's also 3+% because they have no clue of how many people have been infected as many have no symptoms are were caught and tested merely by being on the wrong cruise ship, etc. The final rate I suspect will be well under 1%. If I get the virus but don't have any symptoms, I am not counted in the death rate calc. They have no spread models to predict the real mortality rate. It is obvious that they have no idea of how many people actually have been infected. They only know those that have been tested.

From WHO:

"The fatality rate for Covid-19 is considered preliminary, especially given that experts are not sure how many mild cases are going undetected by health systems"

From Livescience:

"Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%"

That’s the positive view. The negative view would be that many more people, in the US at least, have it and don’t know it because there aren’t enough test kits to test everyone that needs it. The final answer will probably end up somewhere in between. But, an effective vaccine won’t be available for at least a year according to the CDC, so the numbers may actually get worse before they get better.


Harry

 

[geist1223]

Back on Topic. Went to Costco this morning to get a few items. It is close enough we treat it as a regular grocery store. They were out of Toilet Paper and low on cases of half litre bottled water. I think the News Stories are self fulfilling circular prophecies. The more the News reports shortages. The more people go out, shop, and create shortages. Then the News against reports shortages. ETC. ETC. ETC.

 

[Steve Fatula]

I always have the positive view and do not worry or fret at all about such things. In the end, I hope they can get enough kits of course, and maybe they'll be able to get a vaccine, maybe not. There are simply too many unknowns. But even with enough kits, if someone gets minor symptoms they'd never know they had it as most wouldn't get tested if they have minor or no issues. The only current way to know real numbers (until they understand it all better) would be to test everyone in the country, sick or not. The fact that it's an unknown doesn't mean the worst case applies.

Not seen any panic buying in Sherman TX.

 

[IngridN]

Back on Topic. Went to Costco this morning to get a few items. It is close enough we treat it as a regular grocery store. They were out of Toilet Paper and low on cases of half litre bottled water. I think the News Stories are self fulfilling circular prophecies. The more the News reports shortages. The more people go out, shop, and create shortages. Then the News against reports shortages. ETC. ETC. ETC.

You beat me to it...grocery shopping this morning and I needed to get a bottle of rubbing alcohol. DH needed to use it the other day and we're almost out. Not a bottle to be seen. I didn't even bother going to the CVS next door. This is the most frustrating aspect of people hoarding. I'm hoping it dies down soon.j

Ingrid

 

[PigsDad]

yes, so "sad" ... but the corona virus is potentially more deadly (if you believe the medical advice)

It may be more deadly, but you are still far, far, far more likely to contract and die from the flu. That is what is sad.

Kurt

 

[IngridN]

Forgot to mention that the grocery store's sanitary wipes box as you walk in was empty! I carry them in my purse so no problem there!

Ingrid

 

[Brett]

That’s the positive view. The negative view would be that many more people, in the US at least, have it and don’t know it because there aren’t enough test kits to test everyone that needs it. The final answer will probably end up somewhere in between. But, an effective vaccine won’t be available for at least a year according to the CDC, so the numbers may actually get worse before they get better.
Harry

and that unknown is driving the stock market into fear territory

 

[davidvel]

Just in the United States alone, at least 22 million people have gotten the flu in the 2019-2020 season so far and 12,000 have died from it, including at least 78 children, according to the most recent report from the CDC.

Listen, we could trade sites and opinions all day on this, but I prefer facts and not unsubstantiated suppositions. For my money, I'll worry about the flu and if the COVID-19 starts to approach these numbers, we'll talk.

It's also 3+% because they have no clue of how many people have been infected as many have no symptoms are were caught and tested merely by being on the wrong cruise ship, etc. The final rate I suspect will be well under 1%. If I get the virus but don't have any symptoms, I am not counted in the death rate calc. They have no spread models to predict the real mortality rate. It is obvious that they have no idea of how many people actually have been infected. They only know those that have been tested.

From WHO:

"The fatality rate for Covid-19 is considered preliminary, especially given that experts are not sure how many mild cases are going undetected by health systems"

From Livescience:

"Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%"

Influenza (its various strains) has been around forever, and the current season is almost over. You are comparing statistics (and aggregate numbers) from the past year, despite COVId19 only having landed her in the past few weeks.

People keep talking about the rates being off because presumably there are people who are infected that never get sick (I haven't seen any actual analysis of this). In any case, the flu death rate is equally uncertain as it is not known how many get it and have no symptoms or mild symptoms (either due to vaccine or prior exposure/illness) and are not known to have contracted it. Death rate for flu and COVID19 are BOTH based on people who have sufficient symptoms to go to a doctor and be tested.

To those who think flu (death rate) is worse than COVID19, I propose the following test: (we'll both be guinea pigs for the sake of the common good). Let's have you expose yourself to COVID19, and I'll be exposed to influenza. Let's see how it turns out.

 

[davidvel]

It may be more deadly, but you are still far, far, far more likely to contract and die from the flu. That is what is sad.

Kurt

That statement was also true in Wuhan/China in late November/ early December 2019.

 

[Rolltydr]

”The fact that it's an unknown doesn't mean the worst case applies.”


Please note that I did not say the worst case applies. I literally said the end result will probably be somewhere in between, as is usually the case.


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[rickandcindy23]

We went to Costco yesterday, and we saw a lot of TV's going out of the door. I didn't see any big sale on them, so I was baffled.

 

[davidvel]

We went to Costco yesterday, and we saw a lot of TV's going out of the door. I didn't see any big sale on them, so I was baffled.

College basketball?

 

[DaveNV]

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

Back on Topic. Went to Costco this morning to get a few items. It is close enough we treat it as a regular grocery store. They were out of Toilet Paper and low on cases of half litre bottled water. I think the News Stories are self fulfilling circular prophecies. The more the News reports shortages. The more people go out, shop, and create shortages. Then the News against reports shortages. ETC. ETC. ETC.

I didn't bother going to the store even though I am about to run out of both toilet paper, and paper towels.

Instead, I went to www.Costco.com on Tuesday and they had a huge selection to choose from.... In any event, all were delivered today without any issues.



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