Shell Island Beach Club Sanibel

[gcrowe21]

I have a specific question about Shell Island which is not managed by HGVC. I read on a thread elsewhere that when a unit there is sold there that it is no longer a HGVC unit. How do I know if a resale unit is an HGVC unit? Also, if I purchase a unit that is not HGVC can I get it back into HGVC. As you can tell, I want to be apart of HGVC.

 

[OldGuy]

What does Shell Island say?

or here:

https://www.hgvcresales.com/hgvc-resorts/shell-island-beach-club/

 

[dayooper]

I have a specific question about Shell Island which is not managed by HGVC. I read on a thread elsewhere that when a unit there is sold there that it is no longer a HGVC unit. How do I know if a resale unit is an HGVC unit? Also, if I purchase a unit that is not HGVC can I get it back into HGVC. As you can tell, I want to be apart of HGVC.

Any resale will not be part of HGVC. Even if it’s HGVC now, it will lose the ability to be part of the system. Any current interval that’s HGVC is because they were grandfathered in and lose the system if they are sold. I’m not sure if it’s inherited if the unit keeps it’s ability to be part of HGVC.

 

[OldGuy]

For those of us out of the loop, what are you talking about?

Every site on a google search says Shell Island Beach Club is HGVC, and none of them say anything different.

Just curious . . . & I've been interested in SW FL, and the resorts, before there were resorts.

Despite the prominent disclaimer, I guess this site is misleading, at the least:

https://www.hgvcresales.com/hgvc-resorts/shell-island-beach-club/

 

[gcrowe21]

Yeah, OldGuy. I’m confused. I talked with someone at Shell Island on Friday and he made it seem like I would be able to pay the HGVC dues if I bought a unit there. However, he doesn’t do sales directly. It’s Lisa Williams, but she was not available at the time. I’m going to try to talk with her this week. I’m concerned since I’ve seen posts on here saying otherwise.

 

[alwysonvac]

Both Shell Island Beach Club and Sunset Cove left HGVC. Existing owners were grandfathered. It has been reported that HGVC membership is no longer available to new owners (direct or resale) - see below for further details.

From the Sticky thread (post #63)

Termination of affiliate agreements

• "End of club intrawest affiliation" (Jan 2016 thread) - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237909
• "Shell Island Beach Club No Longer Managed by HGVC" (April 2009 thread) - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95230
• "Any Sunset Cove (Marco Island) Owners?" (Jan 2014 thread) - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205142
• "End of Anantara Affiliation" (Sept 2018 thread) - https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/end-of-anantara-affiliation.279192/

NOTE 1: HGVC membership is unavailable at Sunset Cove and Shell Island Beach Club on resale and direct purchases. Existing HGVC members were grandfathered when the affiliation agreement was terminated.
NOTE 2: Club Intrawest & Anantara were internal exchange agreements​

External resorts are also excluded in the HGV Destination Resort Map and noted on the member website (indicating “EXTERNAL EXCHANGE RESORT” above the resort name instead of “HILTON GRAND VACATIONS”) - see below.

From the Shell Island Beach Club Resort webpage
https://club.hiltongrandvacations.com/en/resort/florida-gulf/shell-island-beach-club-resort/

From the Sunset Cove Resort webpage
https://club.hiltongrandvacations.com/en/resort/florida-gulf/sunset-cove-resort/

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From HGV’s our destinations
https://www.hgv.com/development

 

[dayooper]

For those of us out of the loop, what are you talking about?

Every site on a google search says Shell Island Beach Club is HGVC, and none of them say anything different.

Just curious . . . & I've been interested in SW FL, and the resorts, before there were resorts.

Despite the prominent disclaimer, I guess this site is misleading, at the least:

https://www.hgvcresales.com/hgvc-resorts/shell-island-beach-club/

Short story is Shell Island left HGVC when their HOA decided that they didn’t want HGVC to manage the resort anymore. Many owners were not happy with the decision, but it happened very quickly with very little recourse. HGVC grandfathered any owners that wanted to stay in the club, but membership does not transfer to new owners of the deed. The threads @alwysonvac linked above give the full story.

 

[OldGuy]

Thanks.

Kinda figured that, but wondered why HGVC is still shown on all the resale sites.

 

[PigsDad]

Thanks.

Kinda figured that, but wondered why HGVC is still shown on all the resale sites.

That is because resale sites want to sell, and putting a label of "HGVC" on a listing makes it look better. Since those resorts are still listed on the HGVC, technically it is still accurate -- the resale sites just either don't know any better or conveniently leave out the fact that resales can't join HGVC. Also, just because the resale site has "HGVC" in their name, it doesn't mean it is associated in any way with Hilton Grand Vacations.

Kurt

 

[OldGuy]

I have redacted the contact info, but will share it privately:

Mon, Aug 5, 2019 9:13 am

Good morning,

I was forwarded your email by Shell Island. I handle the resales there and may be able to be of assistance.

The resort is affiliated with HGVC. so if you are already a member of HGVC you can add a unit/week you purchase to your membership. If you are not a member, you can become one when you become an owner.

I hope this helps....

Thank you,

Lisa
Licensed Real Estate Agent

 

[gcrowe21]

I spoke with Lisa at Shell Island and an HGVC Rep this morning. Both indicated that owners that purchase resale units at Shell Island CAN join HGVC. If the unit is already in HGVC the transfer should happen automatically. It shouldn’t be any different than any other affiliate resorts. The HGVC rep did indicate that Sunset Cove resale units cannot join HGVC because that resort was purchased by Holiday Inn. She initially had Sunset Cove and Shell Island mixed up.

 

[gcrowe21]

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[OldGuy]

I spoke with Lisa at Shell Island and an HGVC Rep this morning. Both indicated that owners that purchase resale units at Shell Island CAN join HGVC. If the unit is already in HGVC the transfer should happen automatically. It shouldn’t be any different than any other affiliate resorts. The HGVC rep did indicate that Sunset Cove resale units cannot join HGVC because that resort was purchased by Holiday Inn. She initially had Sunset Cove and Shell Island mixed up.

Funny, after posting the same information from Lisa above your post, I had some more conversations with the resort, and got a somewhat different take. I was not asking about HGVC, I was asking about something else, but this was added in their reply:

Please note, we are not an HGVC property and are not managed by Hilton.
We do exchange with HGVC.

That is the type of statement that, at best, clouds the issue.

 

[brp]

Given the lack of consistent (hell, directly contradictory) response, I would certainly require this in writing and make the deal contingent upon it.

Cheers.

 

[gcrowe21]

Please note, we are not an HGVC property and are not managed by Hilton.
We do exchange with HGVC.

That is the type of statement that, at best, clouds the issue.

I don’t find this statement contradictory. This is consistent with what I heard from both Lisa and HGVC. They are still HGVC affiliated and can exchange with HGVC, but are not an HGVC property nor managed by HGVC. I do agree about being diligent in any transaction being contingent on the ability to join the unit into HGVC. Thanks

 

[brp]

I see your point. But I guess it's not clear what "exchange with HGVC" means here. Does that mean that you can use these points as if they were HGVC to book other HGVC properties? ANd without paying HGVC dues?
If so, this seems a better deal than being able to join HGVC with the unit. So I must be missing something

Cheers.

 

[gcrowe21]

They both indicated that an owner would have to be a member of HGVC and pay annual dues for the unit to be exchanged through HGVC.

 

[dayooper]

They both indicated that an owner would have to be a member of HGVC and pay annual dues for the unit to be exchanged through HGVC.

Eh. . . I would go forward with cation if you must.

 

[OldGuy]

Funny, after posting the same information from Lisa above your post, I had some more conversations with the resort, and got a somewhat different take. I was not asking about HGVC, I was asking about something else, but this was added in their reply:

Please note, we are not an HGVC property and are not managed by Hilton.
We do exchange with HGVC.

That is the type of statement that, at best, clouds the issue.

By clouds the issue, I did not mean contradictory.

It's the type of statement that begs further explanation, but whether resales are HGVC was not the question she had been asked.

 

[alwysonvac]

If you decide to purchase, please share the outcome.

 

[Panina]

I would ask hgvc for clarity and ask for it in writing. Ask for a supervisor to speak to.

If your purpose is to trade in hgvc there are a quite a few affiliates in Sanibel and Captiva that you can buy and use or trade in hgvc with no issues or ifs.

Rules can change. I personally have only purchased hgvc affiliates that I would be very happy using even if I had no access to hgvc.

 

[gcrowe21]

I would ask hgvc for clarity and ask for it in writing. Ask for a supervisor to speak to.

If your purpose is to trade in hgvc there are a quite a few affiliates in Sanibel and Captiva that you can buy and use or trade in hgvc with no issues or ifs.

Rules can change. I personally have only purchased hgvc affiliates that I would be very happy using even if I had no access to hgvc.

We definitely want our home resort to be in Sanibel and want to trade in HGVC. We are also considering Tortuga Beach Club, but the O&M annual fees at Shell Island are almost $500 less. Neither resort has a match for us yet, but we want to be prepared if one comes available. If trading in HGVC is the exact same at Shell Island as Tortuga we would much prefer there because of the heavily reduced O&M.

 

[5finny]

Tortuga Beach Club Includes free golf for the week.
I don't golf but it is a value for someone who uses it

 

[brp]

Tortuga Beach Club Includes free golf for the week.
I don't golf but it is a value for someone who uses it

Very likely a reason why the MFs are higher at Tortuga. As I also don't golf, I'd not want to be paying for a "free" benefit that I wouldn't use.

But, yeah, possibly a good deal for those who do.

Cheers.

 

[OldGuy]

I noticed like many of those older SW Florida resorts, they have local RE agents handling resales, and prices appear to be better (for owners) than when there isn't an organized resale program.

I looked at a couple other resorts, too, and very few Snowbird weeks are available, and the ones that are are pricey. The peak weeks are 5-13. That has not changed over the years.