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The communication was not specific enough about what website we use now. I see the Gold Key site is still active. I guess we continue to log-in there and pay dues etc. ? Does anyone know if we will receive log-in credentials for the Diamond site ?
 
The communication was not specific enough about what website we use now. I see the Gold Key site is still active. I guess we continue to log-in there and pay dues etc. ? Does anyone know if we will receive log-in credentials for the Diamond site ?
Good question. I spoke to Gold Key member services a few times this week to confirm our 2016 reservations. They did not mention anything about
a change to our online access. I am guessing if that happens, it will be a phased approach that could take weeks or months?

Also, I am not clear about access to DRI system for Gold Key members if none of us have purchased in the points system yet? For example, with my deeded weeks and no DRI points, what good would signing on the DRI site do for me? I don't believe I would actually be able to do much of anything there except for pay my bill or schedule my deeded week?

I don't know the answer to your question but like you I am curious to see what changes and how fast. As somebody who is really happy with the service I have received from Gold Key so far, I will be quite happy if the transition takes a very long time.
 
Just FYI - I am at the Ocean Beach Club right now. Not an owner, just an exchange I made before the changeover was announced. The only outward sign that anything is changing is a small table in the lobby holding a blow-up of a welcome letter from Diamond, but it was not staffed when I got here Friday and I haven't seen anyone there, just a few local activity brochures scattered on it. I can't tell for sure but it seems like the "Discovery" office across the street is closed. The tablets and pens in the rooms still say goldkey. There is no info binder in the unit but in the place where it usually sits on the coffee table is a copy of the same letter that is downstairs. The info channel on TV has gone dark. No phone calls to the unit asking if we'd like to tour, which I find surprising.

We enjoy exchanging into the OBC, especially when we get a unit with a view or a balcony - will be curious to see if availability decreases with the changeover.
 
New resorts to The Club in New York,.. Club Quarter opp. Rockeller Center, The Jewel Facing Rockefeller Center, Hotel Boutique Center at Grand Center, NYC, and the World Center Hotel, NYC.
 
Just FYI - I am at the Ocean Beach Club right now. Not an owner, just an exchange I made before the changeover was announced. The only outward sign that anything is changing is a small table in the lobby holding a blow-up of a welcome letter from Diamond, but it was not staffed when I got here Friday and I haven't seen anyone there, just a few local activity brochures scattered on it. I can't tell for sure but it seems like the "Discovery" office across the street is closed. The tablets and pens in the rooms still say goldkey. There is no info binder in the unit but in the place where it usually sits on the coffee table is a copy of the same letter that is downstairs. The info channel on TV has gone dark. No phone calls to the unit asking if we'd like to tour, which I find surprising.

We enjoy exchanging into the OBC, especially when we get a unit with a view or a balcony - will be curious to see if availability decreases with the changeover.
Thanks for the report!
 
Returned home today from Beachwoods in Kitty Hawk; I hope to post on my blog soon.

Surprisingly, when I met with and spoke to the Manager of Owner Relations this past Thursday, she indicated that "they" should be deciding very soon where and when the Association Meeting would be held.

When I arrived home I had a mailing that was dated October 20, 2015, announcing the Annual Membership Meeting will be held on Friday, October 30, 2015 at 11:00 am at the Kitty Hawk Hilton Garden Inn. Apparently, she hadn't received the memo.

Next Friday morning, at this late date of notification, will be hard to swing for most folks, I would think. Maybe that was in the planning. I'd love to attend, but I can't take off from work.

Also in the mailing, there was an invitation for the Second Annual Beachwoods Owners Update and Barbecue to be held on Saturday, November 7. "Learn more about the Gold Key/Diamond sale" "Learn more about Gold Key/Diamond's continued involvement in Beachwoods" "Tour new units and amenities"

I'll definitely drive down for this Update and hear what they've got to say, and see how it compares to last year's presentation.

Things are beginning to take shape at the resort. While there were folks staying at the resort, it was a very quiet and relaxing stay. The weather was wonderful. I enjoyed my stay at the resort, although there were still no available amenities to use. The Woodland Oasis Pool had just closed the previous week for the season. The Welcome Center overlooking Cypress Lake is stunning.

I will post when I have added added my blog posts for my recent stay, with pictures that I took around the resort and inside a "B" side unit.
 
New resorts to The Club in New York,.. Club Quarter opp. Rockeller Center, The Jewel Facing Rockefeller Center, Hotel Boutique Center at Grand Center, NYC, and the World Center Hotel, NYC.

These are DRI affiliate resorts. Diamond rents a few rooms and exchanges them for points with The Club members. They were announced this past week at the US Collection Membership meeting.
 
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I Just received my annual membership meeting information and proxy for Beachwoods. Is anyone actually planning on going to the meeting? Unfortunately I cannot make it on such short notice (it is Friday October 30). I am sending my proxy today (hope it gets there tomorrow, but not likely). If anyone is going (Egret1986 ?) and would like to be my proxy, let me know in the next few hours. Otherwise I'll send the proxy as is (Michael Poch - President of BCA). My concern is letting Diamond "run the table" and control the HOA. It's probably too late to do anything this year, but hopefully we (Beachwoods owners) can organize for next year...
 
I'm not going to be able to attend on Friday.

I Just received my annual membership meeting information and proxy for Beachwoods. Is anyone actually planning on going to the meeting? Unfortunately I cannot make it on such short notice (it is Friday October 30). I am sending my proxy today (hope it gets there tomorrow, but not likely). If anyone is going (Egret1986 ?) and would like to be my proxy, let me know in the next few hours. Otherwise I'll send the proxy as is (Michael Poch - President of BCA). My concern is letting Diamond "run the table" and control the HOA. It's probably too late to do anything this year, but hopefully we (Beachwoods owners) can organize for next year...

Like you, I couldn't arrange the time to go since I was on the Outer Banks last week and the late receipt of the notice. Holding it on a Friday, as opposed to Saturday, combined with the short notice; I believe that was all in the planning to cut down on the number of Owners that could make the meeting. Giving them the benefit of the doubt; the acquisition was finalized on October 17 and the letter of notification was dated October 20.

I am going to attend the Owner update the following Saturday. If you can make that, it may or may not be worth your while. Gold Key Resorts provided an impressive presentation last year. I am definitely interested in hearing what they have to say a year later.

I got your email and will respond back to you by the weekend. I work for USPS. Unfortunately, if mailed today, a miracle would have to happen for your proxy to arrive by Friday's meeting at 11:00. :hi:

Welcome to TUG!
 
Very, very nice. I was hoping for the key card access. It doesn't look like they replaced the roof on all the units like they had originally planned. With as much work as they've done, we should have ponied up an extra $100 a week to redo the outside of the units to look more like the check in building!
 
Blog post with pictures can be found by tapping on My Website below. "Beachwoods Lodging, Unit 1203B".

Here is a link.

http://www.timesharevacationsblog.com/2015/10/beachwoods-lodging-unit-1203b/

I should have my post, along with pictures around the resort done over the weekend.
Thanks for the update and the pictures. We always enjoy your blog posts.

I am really curious to see how the indoor waterpark looks after completed. Not because we will really use it, but if well done it should really create some space in the big pool for the adults since all the younger kids will likely want to be in there. I do wish the space they were using for the indoor water park was bigger.
 
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I couldn't agree more. The exteriors on most building look pretty tired.

Very, very nice. I was hoping for the key card access. It doesn't look like they replaced the roof on all the units like they had originally planned. With as much work as they've done, we should have ponied up an extra $100 a week to redo the outside of the units to look more like the check in building!

Barrier Island Station in Duck has finally started exterior renovations on their buildings. This exterior work has transformed the looks of the resort. Two buildings are completed and they really look great. However, once you open the unit doors; no upgrades (30-year-old interiors). Maybe one day. :doh:
 
We've all got our wishes. I know I've got mine.

I do wish the space they were using for the indoor water park was bigger.

I'm really looking forward to the Diamond/Gold Key Owners Update. I hope it's similar to last year. It was really well orchestrated and impressively presented, with plenty of information provided and lots of staff around to answer questions.
 
I'm really looking forward to the Diamond/Gold Key Owners Update. I hope it's similar to last year. It was really well orchestrated and impressively presented, with plenty of information provided and lots of staff around to answer questions.

Just remember to take all the deeds to your properties (to turn over to the "Club") and a check for $30K and maybe you'll be able to leave as a proud Platinum owner of 50+K in points! :hysterical:
 
All jokes aside, curious if you hear anything interesting.

Personally I am really curious to see the eventual DRI impact on MF's. Unless I am missing something they seem higher (almost anywhere in the U.S.) for an average week than most Marriott oceanfront locations in the U.S.?

With the average DRI weekly MF rate about 50% higher than the average Gold Key property week now, what would the impact be? VB is sort of unique in that on one hand there isn't room for anymore properties on VB oceanfront. So would rentals for VB oceanfront go up to correspond to (possible) increases in owners MF's? Or would owners who rent find themselves getting squeezed more and more each year? Or else would prospective owners in VB start looking harder at owning non-DRI properties because their MF's will still be almost half of the DRI properties?

Not sure right now which way the pendulum swings. But curious to see what happens.
 
That thought is depressing. Why the high MFs? More than Marriott oceanfront?

All jokes aside, curious if you hear anything interesting.

Personally I am really curious to see the eventual DRI impact on MF's. Unless I am missing something they seem higher (almost anywhere in the U.S.) for an average week than most Marriott oceanfront locations in the U.S.?

With the average DRI weekly MF rate about 50% higher than the average Gold Key property week now, what would the impact be? VB is sort of unique in that on one hand there isn't room for anymore properties on VB oceanfront. So would rentals for VB oceanfront go up to correspond to (possible) increases in owners MF's? Or would owners who rent find themselves getting squeezed more and more each year? Or else would prospective owners in VB start looking harder at owning non-DRI properties because their MF's will still be almost half of the DRI properties?

Not sure right now which way the pendulum swings. But curious to see what happens.

In Virginia Beach, there's no other timeshare resorts that remotely compare to the Gold Key Resorts timeshares. I think owners will find "themselves getting squeezed more and more each year" when the MFs begin escalating. The ones that will be hurt the most are the owners of off-season weeks that probably will not be able to rent their unused fixed weeks to cover the fees.

My Gold Key Resorts MF's are already higher than other resorts where I own. However, the GKR properties are more modern and have nicer amenities. There aren't any Marriott or other name brands in Virginia Beach or the Outer Banks. If prospective owners want to own at the nicest possible resorts in either of these two locations, then they will have to bite the maintenance fee bullet or settle for less than what they want in timeshare accommodations and amenities.

I am sure the maintenance fees will definitely be a talking point at the Owners Update. There was an entire segment at last year's presentation dedicated to maintenance fees and the need to increase them at Beachwoods. Diamond may have been one of the mentioned timeshare organizations as having higher maintenance fees. Bruce Thompson indicated that while the maintenance fee was being increased from $625 to $710, it was still lower than the "industry" standard. I'm not sure that this Update will be in the same format as last year's. If it is, then Owners will have the opportunity to question the "executives" during the update. If no one raises the point about Diamond maintenance fees being higher than the "industry" standard, then I certainly won't hesitate to bring that up. It will be interesting to hear "the spin."
 
Also worth mentioning is the MF at Beachwoods is the same no matter what size unit you have.

Comparing the fees at an oceanfront resort to Beachwoods really isn't fair either for a number of reasons like INSURANCE costs, higher maintenance due to the ocean, etc. Back in the woods where the resort is there is very little threat of flooding and wind damage is minimized by the trees, although I guess you could have more trees falling on the units.

Diamond is probably nearing 50% ownership already and will have it easily when they start building new units. So we are at their mercy regarding increases. Hopefully they don't alienate too many of us.
 
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Here's the comparison from last year.
Thanks for that.

Based on what I have seen reviewing various DRI deeded weeks available for sale across the U.S., it seems the average MF for a 2BR/2BA unit is between $1300ish to $1400ish.

I would be happy to stand corrected if one of the DRI owners disagrees. It is possible since my research is based on deeded weeks owners selling DRI properties that points or Club members pay a slightly different annual MF average.

And I am only talking about U.S. properties, not Hawaii or Caribbean which is a different conversation and rate scale in almost all timeshare systems.
 
My deeded 2-br Orlando unit was under $600 MF prior to a takeover by DRI. Then, over a period of about 4 years, the MF more than doubled. I was thrilled to pay $250 to DRI to deedback the unit to them because I thought I'd never get out of that timeshare. I could not imagine anyone wanting to pay that kind of a MF for an Orlando timeshare. I hope you Gold Key owners don't have the same experience. We've traded into the Ocean Beach Club a few times, and Oceanaire a couple of times, and while they are nice they are nowhere near Marriott quality, and unless you have a guaranteed view unit, I'd hate to pay that Marriott-sized MF.
 
In Virginia Beach, there's no other timeshare resorts that remotely compare to the Gold Key Resorts timeshares. I think owners will find "themselves getting squeezed more and more each year" when the MFs begin escalating. The ones that will be hurt the most are the owners of off-season weeks that probably will not be able to rent their unused fixed weeks to cover the fees.

My Gold Key Resorts MF's are already higher than other resorts where I own. However, the GKR properties are more modern and have nicer amenities. There aren't any Marriott or other name brands in Virginia Beach or the Outer Banks. If prospective owners want to own at the nicest possible resorts in either of these two locations, then they will have to bite the maintenance fee bullet or settle for less than what they want in timeshare accommodations and amenities.

I am sure the maintenance fees will definitely be a talking point at the Owners Update. There was an entire segment at last year's presentation dedicated to maintenance fees and the need to increase them at Beachwoods. Diamond may have been one of the mentioned timeshare organizations as having higher maintenance fees. Bruce Thompson indicated that while the maintenance fee was being increased from $625 to $710, it was still lower than the "industry" standard. I'm not sure that this Update will be in the same format as last year's. If it is, then Owners will have the opportunity to question the "executives" during the update. If no one raises the point about Diamond maintenance fees being higher than the "industry" standard, then I certainly won't hesitate to bring that up. It will be interesting to hear "the spin."
Yes, I completely agree that there is no real comparison in VB (or OBX for that matter) to the Gold Key / DRI timeshare properties…when only comparing timeshare properties. I also agree about possible impact to shoulder seasons for timeshare owners, not just in rentals, but also in resale value.

We intentionally spent some extended weekends at various hotels along VB oceanfront this summer (not only enjoy VB), but also to get a more educated feel for what the comparisons are between some of the hotels to the timeshare properties. And we made sure to visit and tour multiple timeshare properties in VB as well.

Using just one example (a more expensive one)…for direct shoulder weeks (April-May, late Aug into early October) you can stay in one of the Marriott’s for about $600-1000 during the week and about $500 to $800 for the weekend. Or about $1100 to $1800 for the week (based on exact dates staying, discounts / specials, or timing of booking).

That is only a 1BR / 1BA. But you get a King size bed (with better quality mattress) facing the ocean, larger room, large oceanfront balcony, and in some cases a larger and nicer outdoor pool area than even the OBC complex.

In fact, it one uses the Courtyard at 37th street, you get the above and can walk down and sit outside at Tortuga’s or Lager Head’s lounge in the evening for drinks, snack/dinner, and live music. You might pay more for the week, but do have the freedom of a “rental” vs. ownership, and in many ways can enjoy similar or the same amenities (with some exceptions of course) as those at OBC.

I don’t really have any conclusions from my comments above. There are too many moving parts and unknowns right now. But I do think that if DRI ends up taking MF’s up $300-$400 or more per year from where they are now to match their fees at other properties in the U.S., that is going to present some different calculations in the math of ownership vs rental, and even potentially resale values.

Again, too many moving parts right now to come to any conclusions I think.

Hope you enjoy your trip to the meeting.
 
My deeded 2-br Orlando unit was under $600 MF prior to a takeover by DRI. Then, over a period of about 4 years, the MF more than doubled. I was thrilled to pay $250 to DRI to deedback the unit to them because I thought I'd never get out of that timeshare. I could not imagine anyone wanting to pay that kind of a MF for an Orlando timeshare. I hope you Gold Key owners don't have the same experience. We've traded into the Ocean Beach Club a few times, and Oceanaire a couple of times, and while they are nice they are nowhere near Marriott quality, and unless you have a guaranteed view unit, I'd hate to pay that Marriott-sized MF.
I don't own any Marriott timeshares, but have stayed at Marriott properties all over the world due to traveling for work over the years.

There is no question that the quality of Marriott properties are noticeably superior to the Gold Key properties I have stayed at or toured. That is not intended as a criticism of the Gold Key properties, which I happen to like very much and consider the best at VB, just an honest acknowledgment of facts.

I really don't have a problem with the differences when paying an average MF of $875 per year. But if DRI eventually ends up charging a higher MF than the U.S. Marriott timeshare owners are paying, then they better plan on making a lot of upgrades and improvements. Because at those rates, then the smaller details will start mattering a whole lot more. JMO.
 
I don't mean to criticize the Gold Key properties either - as I mentioned, we've exchanged into them a few times and enjoyed our stays. It's just that we know what happened with us when DRI took over our timeshare, and I sincerely hope the Gold Key owners don't have the same experience.

I actually prefer another timeshare at VB (The Colony) - an older, definitely not luxurious timeshare, but very spacious 2-br units with killer oceanfront balconies for all units, with parking right under the building. If we were in the market for another timeshare (we are actually trying to downsize our holdings), I'd buy there rather than OBC or any Diamond-controlled facility.
 
I don't mean to criticize the Gold Key properties either - as I mentioned, we've exchanged into them a few times and enjoyed our stays. It's just that we know what happened with us when DRI took over our timeshare, and I sincerely hope the Gold Key owners don't have the same experience.

I actually prefer another timeshare at VB (The Colony) - an older, definitely not luxurious timeshare, but very spacious 2-br units with killer oceanfront balconies for all units, with parking right under the building. If we were in the market for another timeshare (we are actually trying to downsize our holdings), I'd buy there rather than OBC or any Diamond-controlled facility.
No worries, I understood your intent. I appreciate your comments and all the insight I can get on the VB area (and DRI).

We toured the Colony as well. Not a bad property at all. I think they have the largest 2BR / 2BA oceanfront units in VB at approx. 1200 sq ft. As you stated, older and in need of some updates, but very reasonable pricing across the board.
 
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