Wyndham Club Pass

[lcml11]

Here is the direct dial number for Wyndham Club Pass. Have fun getting through, I was not able to.

Reservations advises they cannot see the Wyndham Club Pass information and that there are extensive delays in getting through to the Wyndham Club Pass people.

855 585-4436

On their recording they identify themselves as the Wyndham Club Pass Call Center.

The recording is clearly stating that Wyndham is bring all of their brands together under this program. However, see a subsequent post from my conversation with the representative.

 

[Sandy VDH]

You mean you can't do this online. You have to call. That is crap. I hate calling for anything.

I did look online this morning and did not see anything different.

That sucks.

 

[lcml11]

You mean you can't do this online. You have to call. That is crap. I hate calling for anything.

I did look online this morning and did not see anything different.

That sucks.

Same here that is why I called in. That apparently is their system. My guess is that they can keep better control of the high demand inventory that way.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I was just reading the WC Pass Guide.

WTF, they want to charge you BOTH a $99 fee AND a reservation transaction So if you are out of reservation transactions you have to pay 2 fees.

Do GC carry over, It says you have to pay a guest fee, but it does not say if it can come out of your allotment or it is just another fee. It does say that VIP perks are not allowed, so no discounted points and no upgrades. OK thankfully many resorts are cross listed and have inventory in Wyndham directly. If I really want to go I will plan way in advance in the situation that I need Standard Res window and NOT express.

So for short stays it may not be worth it to add all those fees and transactions on top of things. Maybe OK for a hard to get week long unit. Boy that will certainly curb of use of most resorts. Since about 75% of my bookings are 2 - 3 day stays.

But it does say that reservation fees are refunded if you cancel, provided if you cancel 15 days prior to the check in date.

My take is that it will have limited use for me. I want a few Shell locations, I might actually use it if Shell finally comes on board.

 

[lcml11]

I was just reading the WC Pass Guide.

WTF, they want to charge you BOTH a $99 fee AND a reservation transaction So if you are out of reservation transactions you have to pay 2 fees.

Do GC carry over, It says you have to pay a guest fee, but it does not say if it can come out of your allotment or it is just another fee. It does say that VIP perks are not allowed, so no discounted points and no upgrades. OK thankfully many resorts are cross listed and have inventory in Wyndham directly. If I really want to go I will plan way in advance in the situation that I need Standard Res window and NOT express.

So for short stays it may not be worth it to add all those fees and transactions on top of things. Maybe OK for a hard to get week long unit. Boy that will certainly curb of use of most resorts. Since about 75% of my bookings are 2 - 3 day stays.

But it does say that reservation fees are refunded if you cancel, provided if you cancel 15 days prior to the check in date.

My take is that it will have limited use for me. I want a few Shell locations, I might actually use it if Shell finally comes on board.

Just talked with Wyndham Club Pass. Here is a summary:

$ 99 Exchange fee
Taxes if resorts have add them on
Guest fee $ 49 dollar fee
Reservation Transaction Fee unless you have unlimited ones or you have some available in your account.
Currently booking up to March 1st of next year
VIP point discounts do not apply.

The person indicated that Wyndham Club Pass inventory is drawn from all available inventory from both clubs and there is no separate Wyndham Club Pass inventory.

The representative was not aware of what the Wyndham recording was saying. He said that as far as he knows, WorldMark and Club Wyndham Plus are the only Wyndham brands affected.

All contracts have to have the same use year end date or developer points are not eligible for use in the Club Wyndham Pass system (he faded out on me at this point but I think he clarified it to say all Developer point contracts). They also indicated that Club Wyndham Pass is using a program that draws information from both WorldMark and Club Wyndham Plus computers. Their program runs a check and a message comes up if the contract use year dates do not match. The person did not know if Wyndham was going to enforce this rule.

If the last rule is enforced, the people with multiple use years are out of luck for the Pass program.

 

[vacationhopeful]

I was just reading the WC Pass Guide.

WTF, they want to charge you BOTH a $99 fee AND a reservation transaction So if you are out of reservation transactions you have to pay 2fees .....<snip> .....
My take is that it will have limited use for me. I want a few Shell locations, I might actually use it if Shell finally comes on board.

So there is that other $49 Guest Certificate (cash, not carryover from Wyndham).

As for my <snip> regarding Shell --- I figure it will be cheaper to just OWN Shell points. Sandy, I got my Shell 6500 points (my dang relatives keep MOVING West - last sibling just set up housekeeping in Arizona). Plus, we just did the 2nd annual March Spring Training (MLB in PHX) with some siblings.

I can always sell some Wyndham points to pay for the MFs for the Shell ownerships.

 

[LLW]

Here is the direct dial number for Wyndham Club Pass. Have fun getting through, I was not able to.

Reservations advises they cannot see the Wyndham Club Pass information and that there are extensive delays in getting through to the Wyndham Club Pass people.

855 585-4436

On their recording they identify themselves as the Wyndham Club Pass Call Center.

The recording is clearly stating that Wyndham is bring all of their brands together under this program. However, see a subsequent post from my conversation with the representative.

Can Worldmark people call this number? What are their operating hours?

 

[Sandy VDH]

For the few times I want a Worldmark it would still be better to find a worldmark owner who want some Wyndham booking, and find a fair trade arrangement. I have done this twice before already. May have to continue.

 

[lcml11]

Can Worldmark people call this number? What are their operating hours?

Operating hours presumably are at least 8:00 a.m. eastern time to 8:00 p.m. Eastern probably more. Yes, it is a 800 number you are calling, the worst case is they will transfer you. He asked which program I was with to look me up.

 

[lcml11]

So there is that other $49 Guest Certificate (cash, not carryover from Wyndham).

As for my <snip> regarding Shell --- I figure it will be cheaper to just OWN Shell points. Sandy, I got my Shell 6500 points (my dang relatives keep MOVING West - last sibling just set up housekeeping in Arizona). Plus, we just did the 2nd annual March Spring Training (MLB in PHX) with some siblings.

I can always sell some Wyndham points to pay for the MFs for the Shell ownerships.

As far as I can tell, yes the Guest Pass fee is in play. In my questions to him, he know I was Platinum and he indicated if a co-owner went on the trip no guest pass but if a guest was sent then yes there was.

I hope that this turns out to be wrong.

Maybe someone else could call and see if the answers are consistent.

 

[CO skier]

As far as I can tell, yes the Guest Pass fee is in play. In my questions to him, he know I was Platinum and he indicated if a co-owner went on the trip no guest pass but if a guest was sent then yes there was.

I hope that this turns out to be wrong.

Maybe someone else could call and see if the answers are consistent.

This is printed in the Club Pass Directory:

Guest Confirmations

WYNDHAM Club Pass members can share the gift of a
great vacation with your family and friends by requesting a
Guest Confirmation.

A $49 Guest Confirmation fee is charged per
WYNDHAM Club Pass reservation

 

[Bigrob]

Correct, that is my understanding as well - that there is a guest fee to Wyndham owners booking Worldmark. As Worldmark owners know, there is not guest fee for Worldmark owners who put guests in.

However, I believe the cancellation period for the reservation is still 15 days, rather than 30 (for reservations made more than 90 days in advance) as in Worldmark. So a bit of a hybrid there.

It is frustrating that the availability will not be online. From the discussion I had a week or two ago, that is not planned to be rolled out anytime soon, either.

 

[cotraveller]

Correct, that is my understanding as well - that there is a guest fee to Wyndham owners booking Worldmark. As Worldmark owners know, there is not guest fee for Worldmark owners who put guests in.

However, I believe the cancellation period for the reservation is still 15 days, rather than 30 (for reservations made more than 90 days in advance) as in Worldmark. So a bit of a hybrid there.

It is frustrating that the availability will not be online. From the discussion I had a week or two ago, that is not planned to be rolled out anytime soon, either.

There is no guest fee for WorldMark owners sending a guest to a WorldMark resort using a WorldMark reservation. For a WorldMark guest with a Club Pass reservation the same $49 guest fee applies. I haven't pored over every detail of the guidelines, but it looks like the same guidelines apply for both WorldMark and Wyndham owners in regards to booking windows, fees, cancellations, etc. for the Club Pass program.

 

[Sandy VDH]

There is no guest fee for WorldMark owners sending a guest to a WorldMark resort using a WorldMark reservation. For a WorldMark guest with a Club Pass reservation the same $49 guest fee applies. I haven't pored over every detail of the guidelines, but it looks like the same guidelines apply for both WorldMark and Wyndham owners in regards to booking windows, fees, cancellations, etc. for the Club Pass program.

That is why I am suggesting it would be better to continue along my current lines. I have someone who has Worldmark points, and I have wyndham points. Either we find a mutual swap or I pay them for the reservation and vice versa.

With all the extra fees and GC direct exchange would be the cheaper alternative for me.

 

[comicbookman]

Correct, that is my understanding as well - that there is a guest fee to Wyndham owners booking Worldmark. As Worldmark owners know, there is not guest fee for Worldmark owners who put guests in.

However, I believe the cancellation period for the reservation is still 15 days, rather than 30 (for reservations made more than 90 days in advance) as in Worldmark. So a bit of a hybrid there.

It is frustrating that the availability will not be online. From the discussion I had a week or two ago, that is not planned to be rolled out anytime soon, either.

The guest fee is not for Wyndham owners booking Worldmark, it is for Wyndham owners booking worldmark for a guest. Same as if the Wyndham owner had booked a Wyndham for a guest (although the club pass guess fee is $49 on top of the $99 club pass fee)

 

[Bigrob]

The guest fee is not for Wyndham owners booking Worldmark, it is for Wyndham owners booking worldmark for a guest. Same as if the Wyndham owner had booked a Wyndham for a guest (although the club pass guess fee is $49 on top of the $99 club pass fee)

Right, that is what I meant. Ordinarily a guest certificate in Wyndham is $99. A guest certificate for a Worldmark stay is $49 rather than $99. But it sits on top of the $99 exchange fee.

Worldmark owners booking the Worldmark unit for a guest will pay no guest fee.

Apparently, Worldmark owners booking a Wyndham unit for a guest will incur a $49 guest certificate fee as well.

 

[lvsatman]

I'm a bit confused about Club Pass....Bottom Line, I bought resale, like most of you, can we use our points to get into the Worldmark Properties? Most of what I have seen tells me no, but a couple things I have read suggest we can. Thanks for helping me figure this out, without being on hold for a 1/2 hour to find out.

 

[VivianLynne]

Unless you can see a discount booking within 60-45-30 days or get MORE than 1 free guest certificate, the computer has you as RESALE.

OR if you have a low number of points and you do NOT GET Nightly RCI Stays, the computer has you as resale.

OR if you CWP fee or CWA fee is under 55 cents per 1K of points, the computer has you as resale.

Okay? May not be ok BUT the Wyndham computer rules!

PS I am resale --- and that is life. I got my points for $1. Life is good.

 

[lcml11]

I'm a bit confused about Club Pass....Bottom Line, I bought resale, like most of you, can we use our points to get into the Worldmark Properties? Most of what I have seen tells me no, but a couple things I have read suggest we can. Thanks for helping me figure this out, without being on hold for a 1/2 hour to find out.

Hard to tell how it will be applied, in fact, with so many variations. A picture should start emerging on the variations that are meaningful as more people try and use Club Wyndham Pass.

Hopefully people will post if there request was honored or not and if not why not.

As I understand it, the days are now gone where Wyndham Club Pass/Access points can be used for WorldMark resorts through the on-line system and without a fee. My guess is standby for more such changes under the fee for service concept.

As far as I can tell most of the regular posters on the Wyndham board are VIP members.

 

[uscav8r]

I'm a bit confused about Club Pass....Bottom Line, I bought resale, like most of you, can we use our points to get into the Worldmark Properties? Most of what I have seen tells me no, but a couple things I have read suggest we can. Thanks for helping me figure this out, without being on hold for a 1/2 hour to find out.

Pass is almost always a bad deal for a Wyndham owner. The same unit can be rented from a Worldmark owner for much less in total cost. The only thing one might be giving up is the ability to cancel at 15 days.


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[bnoble]

Bottom Line, I bought resale, like most of you, can we use our points to get into the Worldmark Properties?

I believe the answer is no. The confusion probably stems from the wording that "everyone is enrolled in Club Pass for free" but only "qualified" points can be used to book. Resale points are not "qualified."

That ignores accounts that are mis-coded, but there aren't very many of those.

 

[uscav8r]

Not quite correct for all cases. It's an "A implies B, but B does not necessarily imply A" type of thing.

Unless you can see a discount booking within 60-45-30 days or get MORE than 1 free guest certificate, the computer has you as RESALE.

This could be because you have all resale, or not enough developer points to cross any VIP thresholds.

OR if you have a low number of points and you do NOT GET Nightly RCI Stays, the computer has you as resale.

OR if you CWP fee or CWA fee is under 55 cents per 1K of points, the computer has you as resale.

Both these situations occur if you do not have Plus Partners (PP incurs a CWP/CWA Program Fee of $.57/1000 points vs $.55/1000points for no PP), in which case you have all resale points. If you DO have Plus Partners, there is no guarantee you have no resale, just that you have at least one developer contract. I have one developer contract and a few resale, and I pay the higher program fee for all of them. It will be interesting to see if I can use all of them for Club Pass, though I can only see using it if Shell ever comes under the Pass umbrella.

Okay? May not be ok BUT the Wyndham computer rules!

PS I am resale --- and that is life. I got my points for $1. Life is good.

Pass can make access to other resorts easier... for a price... However, nothing precludes resale owners from getting into these same resorts via traditional owner-to-owner exchanges or rentals.




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[Marcia3641]

I believe the answer is no. The confusion probably stems from the wording that "everyone is enrolled in Club Pass for free" but only "qualified" points can be used to book. Resale points are not "qualified."

That ignores accounts that are mis-coded, but there aren't very many of those.

I just got of the phone with a rep and was 'not eligible' because I purchased resale. Needless to say I was completely shocked as somehow I missed that critical bit of information in the documentation I read online. I was told my only other option was booking through RCI. I hung up with my mouth wide open.

Big Bear is so hard to get during the snow season and getting it through RCI is practically impossible

Marcia

 

[ronparise]

I just got of the phone with a rep and was 'not eligible' because I purchased resale. Needless to say I was completely shocked as somehow I missed that critical bit of information in the documentation I read online. I was told my only other option was booking through RCI. I hung up with my mouth wide open.

Big Bear is so hard to get during the snow season and getting it through RCI is practically impossible

Marcia

sorry Marcia,, I thought everyone knew that. but no worries you still have options

find a Worldmark owner to make the reservation and rent it to you, or do a direct exchange (you make a Wyndham reservation for them. or just do what I did: buy a small Worldmark ownership

 

[vacationhopeful]

Marcia,
Daytona Beach is a wonderful trade or rent venue --- just have to PLAN early and use your ARP.

Then go to Big Bear!