UDI vs. Wyndham Access Club

[dmelvin196]

I am a veteran timeshare owner but new to the Wyndham Points system. I just rented a unit at Wyndham La Belle Maison from a Wyndham owner and we loved the place. I have been considering buying points (On Ebay or similar resale market) for a while now. My question is in regards to the Access points. I understand the difference between the two systems but I cannot find anywhere how many points the Access Club owns at any single resort. If I wanted to use points for prime season at La Belle, should I be shopping for the resort points instead of Access Points? I see the advantage of Access points but it does not seem to be advantageous if there is limited inventory available. Any comments or experience with the Access club is appreciated.

 

[lcml11]

I am a veteran timeshare owner but new to the Wyndham Points system. I just rented a unit at Wyndham La Belle Maison from a Wyndham owner and we loved the place. I have been considering buying points (On Ebay or similar resale market) for a while now. My question is in regards to the Access points. I understand the difference between the two systems but I cannot find anywhere how many points the Access Club owns at any single resort. If I wanted to use points for prime season at La Belle, should I be shopping for the resort points instead of Access Points? I see the advantage of Access points but it does not seem to be advantageous if there is limited inventory available. Any comments or experience with the Access club is appreciated.

Your questions are off point to a large degree.

You would need ARP rights at the resort you are looking at for the high demand weeks. Wyndham Club Access and Wyndham Club Plus reservations are the same for all practical purposes at 10 months or less.

You indicated you are a experienced Timeshare Owner, there are other options available to you than what you are looking at. Unless you want to become a Platinum developer points buyer, you should look towards a long term rental agreement in the system where you get the VIP rates for a designated number of points.

 

[pacodemountainside]

CWA membership at any resort is a big Wyndham, et. al. secret, Ron will attest to.

I have heard CWA has around 35K members, but no verifiable documentation.

Keep in mind CWA is pro-rated over entire year so thousands of CWA owners cannot come in and grab Mardi Gras, Daytona 500, Bike Week, etc.

It is also in separate inventory "bucket".

At LBM and AVP, CWA Mardi Gras inventory is genially gone in a few minutes after 13 month mark.

ARP inventory(released to all) at 10 month mark may be a couple studios.

MF at LBM are below CWA average of $4.92 but if you factor in around $200 weekly parking , kinda high!

Congratulations on doing HW!

 

[vacationhopeful]

...Keep in mind CWA is pro-rated over entire year so thousands of CWA owners cannot come in and grab .. Daytona 500, Bike Week, etc....../QUOTE]

CWA does NOT OWN ANY deeds (points) at Ocean Walk ... MUST BUY CWP to get ARP at for those events at Ocean Walk.

Sorry, Paco ... the other NON-CWA resort is Royal Vista... might be others -- just know of these 2.

 

[dmelvin196]

Paco - Thanks for the detailed response. That answers my question in a nutshell. If I want LBM for event weeks, I better buy points deeded at LBM and not through CWA.
Lcml - Maybe I was too drawn out in my question. If I wanted ARP at a specific resort as my primary objective, the Resort points owner would have better luck in booking high demand weeks? I am not sure I understand the long term rental agreement unless it pertains to the groups that sell you a block of points up front and only charge you when you use them like Winpointvip. In reference to being a veteran, I have always owned weeks and am new to the points system. Thanks

 

[ronparise]

Your questions are off point to a large degree.

You would need ARP rights at the resort you are looking at for the high demand weeks. Wyndham Club Access and Wyndham Club Plus reservations are the same for all practical purposes at 10 months or less.

You indicated you are a experienced Timeshare Owner, there are other options available to you than what you are looking at. Unless you want to become a Platinum developer points buyer, you should look towards a long term rental agreement in the system where you get the VIP rates for a designated number of points.

Ignore the man behind the curtain...he doesnt know what he is talking about

Really ignore this post its all-together wrong

 

[pacodemountainside]

...Keep in mind CWA is pro-rated over entire year so thousands of CWA owners cannot come in and grab .. Daytona 500, Bike Week, etc....../QUOTE]

CWA does NOT OWN ANY deeds (points) at Ocean Walk ... MUST BUY CWP to get ARP at for those events at Ocean Walk.

Sorry, Paco ... the other NON-CWA resort is Royal Vista... might be others -- just know of these 2.

Linda:

Thank you for clarifying!

Some days the olde alley-himmers is worser than others!

Actually, should have checked CWA resorts before posting!

 

[csxjohn]

Ignore the man behind the curtain...he doesnt know what he is talking about

Really ignore this post its all-together wrong

To the OP, I suggest you send Ron P an email by clicking on his blue user name and selecting "send email."

He will explain to you why the post he's talking about is all wrong and will set you straight.

He's our New Orleans expert here and I wouldn't be surprised if you rented from him.

 

[ronparise]

I spent a lot of time and effort trying to learn what percentage of La Belle Maison is in CWA and how much in UDI. I went to two of the annual CWA meetings and cornered the president of the association, (Wyndham executive Mark Gray) who promised to send me the info I asked for. He didnt

Finally another tugger, who knew of my quest stole a look at a secret book at an owner update, and reported to me that about 25% of La Belle Maison was in CWA

So with that info I bought a bunch of La Belle Maison and CWA. specifically to use for Mardi Gras reservations. Paco is right Mardi Gras sells out in the first few minutes of the ARP period, 13 months before check in.

Mardi Gras, by the way, is happening right now. This past weekend I had 9 guests at La Belle Maison and 12 at Avenue Plaza using a combination of udi and cwa points. So Im happy with CWA. I was able to use it exactly as I intended when I bought in. The limiting factor wasnt the number of units in CWA, rather I was limited by the number of points I owned, and the time it took the VC to make my reservations.

 

[dmelvin196]

Ron - Thanks and I had seen some of your posts regarding CWA inventory and thought you may have found out by now. I think some were from a couple of years ago.

I checked out of a 1 BR unit on Friday and spent a week at LBM. Very nice location. One lesson I did learn is that the taxi will not get through on Thursday evening when parades are rolling

Next year I will plan my arrival better and avoid the 5 block walk with luggage.

 

[pacodemountainside]

Paco - Thanks for the detailed response. That answers my question in a nutshell. If I want LBM for event weeks, I better buy points deeded at LBM and not through CWA.
Lcml - Maybe I was too drawn out in my question. If I wanted ARP at a specific resort as my primary objective, the Resort points owner would have better luck in booking high demand weeks? I am not sure I understand the long term rental agreement unless it pertains to the groups that sell you a block of points up front and only charge you when you use them like Winpointvip. In reference to being a veteran, I have always owned weeks and am new to the points system. Thanks

Glad I could help.

Keep in mind high demand, below average MF(sans discretionary parking fees) resorts go for more than a buck on e-bay. So shop around, check out e-bay resellers here, check ads here, Red Week, etc.

Just survived my 7th Mardi Gras at AVP.

Veterans here tend to ignore Icm11 who is in his own TS world!

 

[lcml11]

Paco - Thanks for the detailed response. That answers my question in a nutshell. If I want LBM for event weeks, I better buy points deeded at LBM and not through CWA.
Lcml - Maybe I was too drawn out in my question. If I wanted ARP at a specific resort as my primary objective, the Resort points owner would have better luck in booking high demand weeks? I am not sure I understand the long term rental agreement unless it pertains to the groups that sell you a block of points up front and only charge you when you use them like Winpointvip. In reference to being a veteran, I have always owned weeks and am new to the points system. Thanks

There are a lot of Platinum Owners that for whatever reason have more points than they need and would like to downsize without losing the discount and upgrade features.

There are lots of companies/people that like to offer less than MFs to rent their points for them then keep the difference between what they pay and what they get for rental for the high demand resorts they pick up. One of the Mega Rentor tactics.

That leaves a market where a fair price deal is to enter into a yearly or multi-year contract with a real owner.

Example: Owner has 1 Million Points, only want to use 500,000 because their travel time has dropped off or their finances do not permit more.

Enter honest Ab.

Owner owns has a 154,000 point contract at a low maintance fee resort. Honest Ab pays the maintenance fees for the contract and gets the use of the 150,000 points including discounts, upgrades, and one of the two ARP rights system wide that the Platinum Ownership gets.

 

[ronparise]

Ron - Thanks and I had seen some of your posts regarding CWA inventory and thought you may have found out by now. I think some were from a couple of years ago.

I checked out of a 1 BR unit on Friday and spent a week at LBM. Very nice location. One lesson I did learn is that the taxi will not get through on Thursday evening when parades are rolling

Next year I will plan my arrival better and avoid the 5 block walk with luggage.

Stay at Avenue Plaza instead. its right on the parade route, but Saint Charles is wide enough that you can still get to the resort.. That, or plan your arrival a little earlier. (maybe Wednesday)

 

[dmelvin196]

Ron - I did consider Avenue Plaza because we have friends that live on St. Charles near Napolean. But this year we found that we can watch the parades roll past their house and if we jump in the car and head back to LBM right afterwards, we can catch the first or second float (of the last Krewe) at Canal and Magazine.

My wife loves the Krewe of Muses and we were able to get one of the coveted shoes early in the evening and then I landed her two more just down the street from LBM. It is actually a pretty quick drive back going straight down Camp St.

 

[lcml11]

"My question is in regards to the Access points. I understand the difference between the two systems but I cannot find anywhere how many points the Access Club owns at any single resort. ... "

http://www.wmowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34322

See post three in the above link for an interesting commentary on Club Wyndham Access.

 

[ronparise]

"My question is in regards to the Access points. I understand the difference between the two systems but I cannot find anywhere how many points the Access Club owns at any single resort. ... "

http://www.wmowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34322

See post three in the above link for an interesting commentary on Club Wyndham Access.

That's my post you referenced. I'm glad you found it interesting but I don't see how it addresses the question at hand ie now much does CWA hold at any one resort?

 

[uscav8r]

...Keep in mind CWA is pro-rated over entire year so thousands of CWA owners cannot come in and grab .. Daytona 500, Bike Week, etc....../QUOTE]

CWA does NOT OWN ANY deeds (points) at Ocean Walk ... MUST BUY CWP to get ARP at for those events at Ocean Walk.

Sorry, Paco ... the other NON-CWA resort is Royal Vista... might be others -- just know of these 2.

Just to add to Linda's list, here are some other non-CWA resorts (as of 3/1/14):

Bentley Brook (MA)
Old Town Alexandria (VA)
South Shore (Lake Tahoe, NV)
a couple resorts in Wisconsin Dells
ANY Hawaii resort

CWA seems to have a broad base but hasn't gotten everywhere yet.

 

[pacodemountainside]

CWA Resorts


Resorts: Wyndham VIP (Bonnet Creek, National Harbor), Worldmark (pending)

Quote:
Originally Posted by pacodemountainside
...Keep in mind CWA is pro-rated over entire year so thousands of CWA owners cannot come in and grab .. Daytona 500, Bike Week, etc....../QUOTE]

CWA does NOT OWN ANY deeds (points) at Ocean Walk ... MUST BUY CWP to get ARP at for those events at Ocean Walk.

Sorry, Paco ... the other NON-CWA resort is Royal Vista... might be others -- just know of these 2.

Just to add to Linda's list, here are some other non-CWA resorts (as of 3/1/14):

Bentley Brook (MA)
Old Town Alexandria (VA)
South Shore (Lake Tahoe, NV)
a couple resorts in Wisconsin Dells
ANY Hawaii resort

CWA seems to have a broad base but hasn't gotten everywhere yet.

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Last edited by uscav8r; March 4, 2014 at 08:28 AM.

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It appears there are around 9-10 resorts that are not in CWA.

Linda:

Wyndham web site disagrees with you on Ocean Walk.



CLUB WYNDHAM® ACCESS RESORTS

Arizona

Wyndham Bison Ranch
Wyndham Flagstaff
Wyndham Pinetop
Wyndham Rancho Vistoso
Wyndham Sedona
Arkansas

Wyndham Resort at Fairfield Bay
California

Wyndham Anaheim
Wyndham Angels Camp
Wyndham Canterbury at San Francisco*

Wyndham Harbour Lights
Wyndham Indio
Wyndham Oceanside Pier Resort**
Colorado

Wyndham Durango
Wyndham Pagosa
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Steamboat Springs
District of Columbia

Wyndham Old Town Alexandria*
Florida

Star Island
Wyndham Bay Club
Wyndham Bay Club II*
Wyndham Beach Street Cottages
Wyndham Bonnet Creek Resort
Wyndham Cypress Palms
Wyndham Ocean Walk
Wyndham Palm-Aire
Wyndham Santa Barbara
Wyndham Sea Gardens
Wyndham Vacation Resorts at Majestic Sun
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Emerald Grandetm at Destin****
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Panama City Beach
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Reunion at Orlando

Illinois

Wyndham Galena
Louisiana

Wyndham Avenue Plaza
Wyndham La Belle Maison
Maryland

Wyndham Vacation Resorts at National Harbor
Missouri

Wyndham Branson at The Falls
Wyndham Branson at The Meadows
Wyndham Lake of the Ozarks
Wyndham Mountain Vista
Nevada

Wyndham Grand Desert
Wyndham Tropicana at Las Vegas
New Jersey

Wyndham Skyline Tower
New Mexico

Wyndham Taos
North Carolina

Fairfield Harbour
Wyndham Resort at Fairfield Mountains
Wyndham Resort at Fairfield Sapphire Valley
Oklahoma

Wyndham Grand Lake
Pennsylvania

Wyndham Vacation Resorts Shawnee Village - Crestview
Rhode Island

Wyndham Bay Voyage Inn
Wyndham Inn on Long Wharf*
Wyndham Inn on the Harbor*
Wyndham Newport Onshore*
Wyndham Newport Overlook*
South Carolina

Wyndham at The Cottages*
Wyndham Ocean Boulevard*
Wyndham Ocean Ridge
Wyndham SeaWatch Plantation

Wyndham Vacation Resorts Lake Marion
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Towers on the Grove at North Myrtle Beach
Wyndham Westwinds*
Tennessee

Wyndham Nashville
Wyndham Resort at Fairfield Glade
Wyndham Smoky Mountains
Wyndham Vacation Resorts Great Smokies Lodge
Texas

Wyndham La Cascada
Wyndham Riverside Suites
Vermont

Wyndham Vacation Resorts Smugglers' Notch Vermont®***
Virginia

Wyndham Governor's Green
Wyndham Kingsgate
Wyndham Patriots' Place
Wisconsin

Wyndham Vacation Resorts at Glacier Canyon


*Only a very limited amount of inventory in this resort is currently a part of CLUB WYNDHAM Access. As such, the ability to obtain a reservation at this resort during the 13 to 10 month ARP window is currently very limited and should not be anticipated.

**The ARP window for Wyndham Oceanside Pier Resort is available for stays between Labor Day and May 31. From May 31 to Labor Day reservations may be requested during the Standard Reservation window.

 

[csxjohn]

Paco, I brought up the question about CWA and Ocean Walk in another thread that I can't find but I was assured by some of the experts that the book is wrong and there is no presence in that resort.

 

[Myxdvz]

I don't think it's that cut and dried.

If you really want ARP for specific resort:

• and the resort MF is cheaper than CWA MF, this is a no brainer
• if the resort is big enough (like Bonnet Creek or Glacier Canyon) where ARP is not such a competition, I think CWA could be a smart decision

I bought Wyndham specifically for access to Glacier Canyon (and other Wisconsin Dells properties). WGC MF is higher than CWA, so IMO, in my case, buying CWA was better. I also got ARP access to other properties. So far, I haven't had problems with ARP booking before the 10 month window open in any of the properties within the system, except for the smaller MB properties around the holidays (4th of July).

 

[ronparise]

A little off topic, but here is why I take the time to respond to lcml11. As Paco said, most that have been around for a while ignore what he has to say, but Im afraid that his misunderstandings fears and paranoia, may be picked up and passed on like a virus. I was a little hard on him in this thread and I thought I should explain myself


Today I got a message from another tugger, asking questions about Worldmark and Wyndham and their recent merger. Its hard to deal with the questions and offer the advice being sought without debunking the underlying assumptions being made, first

Heres what I woke up to. Doesnt it sound like its the influence of lcm11?


I am found your posts on Tug and wondered if you might be able to give me a little help. I am looking to buy wyndham points but haven't had time to do a lot of research yet. I notice that worldmark and wyndham have merged. I want to be able to use my points in both Wyndham and Worldmark resorts. It looks like theres about 3 different clubs (?) out there. Theres the Wyndham club pass, Worldmark by Wyndam and Club Wyndham . I am so confused. What should i be looking to buy? Do some of these allow you to stay in one resort but not an other?
If you could explain this all to me, i would be very grateful.

 

[comicbookman]

A little off topic, but here is why I take the time to respond to lcml11. As Paco said, most that have been around for a while ignore what he has to say, but Im afraid that his misunderstandings fears and paranoia, may be picked up and passed on like a virus. I was a little hard on him in this thread and I thought I should explain myself.

[/I]

I think it is important to correct lcml11 whenever possible. He reminds me of the sales weasels. He takes kernels of truth and spins wild tales. :annoyed:

 

[vacationhopeful]

Ron,
I don't have him (rrlongwell or lcm1l - either version of his alter ego) on ignore also -- mainly for the same reason, so as to know WHY someone else gets on a weird tangent.

And we seem to take turns on offering a logical explaination on his "FACTS" to the newbies. I just really, really WISH someone would DISABLE the quote function on his userids ....

 

[Bigrob]

Paco, I brought up the question about CWA and Ocean Walk in another thread that I can't find but I was assured by some of the experts that the book is wrong and there is no presence in that resort.

There are definitely mistakes in the book. Look at Tropicana for instance. They have 2BR and 2BR Deluxe units there, but if you look at the room configuration, it refers to hotel rooms and hotel suites.

The other thing that makes this tricky is that it is a moving target. Whenever deeds come back through whatever means, they may get added to CWA inventory. So what is deeded to a resort today may become inventory in CWA tomorrow.

 

[Bigrob]

I don't think it's that cut and dried.

If you really want ARP for specific resort:

• and the resort MF is cheaper than CWA MF, this is a no brainer
• if the resort is big enough (like Bonnet Creek or Glacier Canyon) where ARP is not such a competition, I think CWA could be a smart decision

I bought Wyndham specifically for access to Glacier Canyon (and other Wisconsin Dells properties). WGC MF is higher than CWA, so IMO, in my case, buying CWA was better. I also got ARP access to other properties. So far, I haven't had problems with ARP booking before the 10 month window open in any of the properties within the system, except for the smaller MB properties around the holidays (4th of July).

I think this is a good way to view it overall - but I would say that GC, even though large, has such high demand that the limited CWA inventory and with many more CWA owners than GC owners the inventory may not be sufficient. I believe Bonnet Creek is at or below CWA rates so you may want to stay with Bonnet Creek if that's where you want ARP.