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Essex House NYC? [FUTURE MVCs]

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At NCV and took the tour. His big news was that Vacation Club was adding Essex House as a property.. However I haven't seen anything like this on the finance wires..

Also - they wouldn't let me go early :annoyed: He showed me the time stamp on the reservation paper and said "you must stay 90 mins" Yikes!
 
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At NCV and took the tour. His big news was that Vacation Club was adding Essex House as a property.. However I haven't seen anything like this on the finance wires..

Also - they wouldn't let me go early :annoyed: He showed me the time stamp on the reservation paper and said "you must stay 90 mins" Yikes!

DC Points can be used at various luxury/boutique Marriott hotels through the Explorer Collection (link requires log-in to your my-vacationclub.com account.) I'd guess that's what the rep was talking about, and not that Essex House rooms would be conveyed to the DC Trust the same way timeshare units are conveyed. Essex House isn't on the EC list currently but that doesn't mean it can't be added anytime - the list has been growing since the DC was introduced.
 
This property has been re-flagged numerous times over the past 15 years and is still a work in progress for Marriott.

Standard rooms are about what you would expect (330 sq-ft).

Additional information:

Renovation Information – Until further notice, our South Gate restaurant will be closed for renovations with all meals served in the Art Deco Room. The Tavern Bar is now open.
Please Note – Hotel does not currently offer Elite lounge or breakfast benefits. 2500 points per night will be given to Platinum/Gold.


IMHO New York Marriott Marquis still offers much bigger standard rooms (440 sq-ft), better prices (25-30% less) than Essex House, and Marriott Elite Lounge.
 
Perhaps 25 years ago I stayed at Essex House and it was an old dump with small rooms then. The location was great. Don't know who managed EH at that time, and it might have improved over the years, but never went back after that bad impression. You can only make a first impression once.

Although its an 'active noisy' area, I like the Marquis and the Ren in NYC...although the Ren doesn't have parking in the bldg. The Marquis is huge and seems to have solved their elevator problem...but those 2 are the best choices for MR stays IMO. It's beyond me to see how Marriott can put their lesser NYC hotels in the same 'category' but they must have the volume.

Brian
 
I sent a friend there as a treat/gift using some of my MR pts. She travels a lot (is an attorney for a major insurance co.) and thought it was absolutely fabulous. She was in a luxury room with a view of Central Park. Said it was one of the best hotel rooms she's ever been in.
 
Just stayed here this past weekend - in for a show and fancy dinner - stayed with MR Points - (I know not necessarily best way to use them but for us it was great) - the place looked great - our room was delightful (refurbed) and the location on Central Park South can't be beat if that's what you want and we did - both my wife and I wanted to stay longer and both of us are certain we'll go back.
 
I agree its hard to beat Free using the MR points but this property is now flagged as JW Marriott and in comparison to other luxury hotels in the area its not up to par IMHO.

The W, Plaza, and CP towers come to mind as much better value.
 
DC Points can be used at various luxury/boutique Marriott hotels through the Explorer Collection (link requires log-in to your my-vacationclub.com account.)

I'd love to use DC points for hotels in the Explorer Collection but don't know if its good usage of DC points. Has anyone formed an opinion on this and wish to share?
 
I'd love to use DC points for hotels in the Explorer Collection but don't know if its good usage of DC points. Has anyone formed an opinion on this and wish to share?

It's definitely not an economical use of DC Points. But so what? I'd do it if ours weren't earmarked for any other use, and, if a short visit to one of the nicer hotels would fit into our vacation schedule. I have my eye on either The Mansion on Forsyth Park in Savannah or The Grand Bohemian Hotel in Asheville, am pretty sure one of those will happen sometime during these next couple years.

I'm not interested in getting into the whole Points rental thing. It's great, seems simple enough, but I can't be bothered. (Please, TUGgers, don't crucify me for that!) If you're into it, then definitely it would make more economical sense for you to rent out those DC Points and use the cash to pay for a hotel stay, especially if you can score an owner's discount.
 
The Essex House was a Marriott for a few years in the early 1980's.
 
Is the Explorer Collection worth it?

While the DClub offers alternatives to villas, it's a very costly option. The best way to determine the cost is to place an assigned value to each point based on the annual MF.

Consider... your MF is $1,250 and gives you 2,500 DC points annually. Now take into consideration the Explorer Collection offers the Carlton Hotel in NYC at a minimum of 850 points per night Sunday through Thursday. That's 4,250 DC points or almost two years of MFs.

So the question is... Does Marriott's "Pay In Advance" rate, MRP promotion of "Five Nights for the Price of Four" or the regular room rate beat almost two years of MFs?
 
good morning....

My partner took the Oceana Palms sales presentation last week. According to the sales rep, MVCD is converting 100 hotel units at Essex House into "timeshare" MVCD trust units...

just sayin'

This will be a Trust property..Of course, then came the "you will never get in unless you purchase trust" shpiel...
 
good morning....

My partner took the Oceana Palms sales presentation last week. According to the sales rep, MVCD is converting 100 hotel units at Essex House into "timeshare" MVCD trust units...

just sayin'

This will be a Trust property..Of course, then came the "you will never get in unless you purchase trust" shpiel...

I am wondering why there hasn't been a official press release? In any case, if it goes through I think it's a great addition to the club and hope there is more to come.
 
Converting hotel rooms to timeshare units was mentioned as a possible future Destination Club enhancement back when the DC was first introduced, but none have been declared yet and some TUGgers believe it will never happen. I think it would be a fantastic option but have become quite skeptical for the simple reason that most Marriott hotels are not owned by Marriott. How could that work, if Marriott has to purchase only the portions of the hotels that they want to re-design as timeshares? What would then happen if the hotel owners signed a management agreement with a different company?

I also agree with sparty - it's highly doubtful that a sales rep would have knowledge about any such "enhancements," nevermind permission to announce it prior to an official statement by the execs.
 
Never say never

While most of the Marriott Corporations hotels are simple franchise agreements, they offered a lot of financial assistance and income guarantees to the new owners to gain the franchise:

MC's PRESS RELEASE
The Company has arranged for $190.0 million in first mortgage financing from Bank of America. The loan will bear interest at LIBOR plus 400 basis points, with a LIBOR floor of 75 basis points, and will be for an initial term of three years, plus two one-year extension options upon the satisfaction of certain financial and other conditions. The balance of the purchase price will be funded in cash. The company is evaluating joint venture options and other alternatives, including asset sales, as capital sources to fund the balance of this acquisition.

The Company has also signed a 50-year management agreement with Marriott International to rebrand the hotel as the JW Marriott Essex House New York. As part of the management agreement, Marriott will guarantee the net operating income of the hotel up to $21.5 million per year for a period of eight years, subject to a maximum funding by Marriott of $14 million in 2013 and $12 million in each year from 2014 to 2020. Total cumulative fundings by Marriott are capped at $40 million. Upon closing, Strategic Hotels plans to invest approximately $18.3 million in various property improvements, including renovations to various common areas, select systems upgrades as well as new signage and other branding efforts to distinguish the property under the JW Marriott flag.

Here's three interesting facts:
NY TIMES ARTICLE
At 509 rooms, the Essex House is smaller than it was when Strategic last owned it because 90 rooms have since been converted into condos. Even so, Strategic got the hotel back for $685,000 a unit, $45,000 less per unit than the 2005 selling price. Nine unsold condos also came with the deal, but those without views of the park will probably revert to hotel rooms, said Laurence S. Geller, the chief executive of Strategic.

KEY: of the 90 condos NINE were unsold and included in the deal

SAME NY TIMES ARTICLE
One way to increase revenue from the hotel would be to turn more rooms into condos. Mr. Geller said there is another advantage to this strategy. “At 500 rooms, I have to sell a lot of meetings,” he said. “At 400, I wouldn’t.”

KEY: from 500 to 400 is 100 hotel units that could be acquired and converted by MVW

OLD HOTEL FACT SHEET
St Regis Club Central Park South (Starwood H&R)
Situated on floors 19 to 39 (104 rooms) of the historic Essex House, this hotel on Central Park South is two blocks from Broadway and three blocks from Carnegie Hall.

KEY: 104 rooms

The hotel only converted to a JW in September, 2012. So they don't have a full fiscal year to evaluate the cost effectiveness of selling floors 19 to 39 or accurately weigh loss of future revenue vs ROI on sale.

On a MORE realistic note...
Marriott Corporation has owned the NY Clock Tower building since late 2011. At that time they announced a NY Edition, but it has still not opened. Wonder if they would sell the property to MVW or if MVW would approach MC???
 
FUTURE MVCs

During my Ko Olina sales presentation this week they hinted at three potential NEW resorts. Details follow. Has anyone heard the same at any presentations outside of Ko Olina?

Big Island (Hawaii) -- from Hawaiian publications: an announcement on the sale of the islands second largest hotel and a full service Marriott will be made by May 15. Selling: Blackstone Group (owners of Hilton).

Bali -- no further information

[Moderator Note: Duplicate text from Post #16 above, deleted.]
 
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During my Ko Olina sales presentation this week they hinted at three potential NEW resorts. Details follow. Has anyone heard the same at any presentations outside of Ko Olina?

Big Island (Hawaii) -- from Hawaiian publications: an announcement on the sale of the islands second largest hotel and a full service Marriott will be made by May 15. Selling: Blackstone Group (owners of Hilton).

Bali -- no further information

[Moderator Note: Duplicate text from Post #16 above, deleted.]

During yesterday's earning conference call the Marriott executives discussed current and future projects.

Nothing at Ko Olina was discussed. Sales persons are the last people to trust regarding corporate strategy.
 
During yesterday's earning conference call the Marriott executives discussed current and future projects.

Nothing at Ko Olina was discussed. Sales persons are the last people to trust regarding corporate strategy.

FT, anything to report about those "current and future projects?"
 
... Big Island (Hawaii) -- from Hawaiian publications: an announcement on the sale of the islands second largest hotel and a full service Marriott will be made by May 15. Selling: Blackstone Group (owners of Hilton). ...

I went looking and found this Mar '13 article about the Marriott Waikoloa Resort & Spa, currently owned by Blackstone Group and managed by Marriott Int'l, being sold with the closing expected in May.

Reading this I get the impression that Marriott may be OUT of a Big Island property, not in. Now re-reading your post, I'm confused about whether that's what you were saying?
 
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The only current and future projects I heard mentioned in the earning conference call were the 3rd tower in Grand Chateau due for completion Spring 2014 and a more minor development at Shadow Ridge to be undertaken within planning permission timescales to ensure these do not expire.
 
MVW: Form 10-Q (period ending 3/22/2013)

REAL ESTATE INVENTORY
"We have sufficient real estate inventory to meet expected demand for our vacation ownership products for the next several years. At the end of the first quarter of 2013, we had $866 million of real estate inventory on hand, comprised of $454 million of finished goods, $145 million of work-in-process, and $267 million of land and infrastructure. As a result, we expect our real estate inventory spending will be less than or in line with cost of sales for the near term. We also expect to sell excess Ritz-Carlton branded inventory and dispose of undeveloped land, and to sell most of our remaining Ritz-Carlton branded inventory through the MVCD program over the next few years, in order to generate incremental cash and reduce related carrying costs."

VACATION OWNERSHIP PRODUCTS
"Our vacation ownership product offerings also allow us to more efficiently utilize our real estate inventory. The majority of our sales are of a points-based product, which permits us to sell vacation ownership products at most of our sales locations, including those where little or no weeks-based inventory remains available for sale. Because we no longer need specific resort-based inventory at each sales location, we expect to have fewer resorts under construction at any given time and expect to better leverage successful sales locations at completed resorts. We expect that this will allow us to maintain long-term sales locations and minimize the need to develop and staff on-site sales locations at smaller projects in the future. We believe these points-based programs better position us to align our construction of real estate inventory with the pace of sales of vacation ownership products by slowing down or accelerating construction, as demand across our portfolio and market conditions dictate."

EXERCISING ROFR
"We recently expanded our existing vacation ownership interest repurchase program pursuant to which we are proactively buying back previously sold vacation ownership interests at lower costs than would be required to develop new inventory. By repurchasing inventory in desirable locations we expect to be able to stabilize the future cost of vacation ownership products for the next several years."

DISPOSITIONS (abandoned projects or expansions)
"Dispositions in the twelve weeks ended March 22, 2013, related to the sale of a multi-family parcel and several lots in St. Thomas, USVI."
 
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REAL ESTATE INVENTORY
"We have sufficient real estate inventory to meet expected demand for our vacation ownership products for the next several years. At the end of the first quarter of 2013, we had $866 million of real estate inventory on hand, comprised of $454 million of finished goods, $145 million of work-in-process, and $267 million of land and infrastructure. As a result, we expect our real estate inventory spending will be less than or in line with cost of sales for the near term. We also expect to sell excess Ritz-Carlton branded inventory and dispose of undeveloped land, and to sell most of our remaining Ritz-Carlton branded inventory through the MVCD program over the next few years, in order to generate incremental cash and reduce related carrying costs." ..."

Does this mean what I think it does, that more Ritz-Carlton Destination Club properties/intervals will be conveyed to the Vacation Club DC Trust? That's great for DC Members but not so great, or at least a devaluation, for RC Members.
 
... EXERCISING ROFR
"We recently expanded our existing vacation ownership interest repurchase program pursuant to which we are proactively buying back previously sold vacation ownership interests at lower costs than would be required to develop new inventory. By repurchasing inventory in desirable locations we expect to be able to stabilize the future cost of vacation ownership products for the next several years." ...

This might be something that Captain Obvious would say, but it's nice to have official confirmation (to coincide with recent TUG reports) that they've ramped up ROFR and buyback activity.
 
The only current and future projects I heard mentioned in the earning conference call were the 3rd tower in Grand Chateau due for completion Spring 2014 and a more minor development at Shadow Ridge to be undertaken within planning permission timescales to ensure these do not expire.

Thanks. :)
 
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