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[ 2012 ] Marketplace spam again? [Judy Boulay]

Judy

I also received an email from Judy and I actually gave her my name and address. However, she then send me an email saying she would send a deposit and I had to forward some $ to her broker to finish the deal. I then new it was a scam. Do I have to be concerned that I gave her my name and address? What can she do with that? She can't get my timeshare changed anyway can she?
 
There's a high proability your name and address is already out on the net

Without DOB and Social there's not much someone can do with that information
 
Don't be worried --- but DO be prepared...

I also received an email from Judy and I actually gave her my name and address. However, she then send me an email saying she would send a deposit and I had to forward some $ to her broker to finish the deal. I then knew it was a scam. Do I have to be concerned that I gave her my name and address? What can she do with that? She can't get my timeshare changed anyway can she?

As Rent Share has correctly noted, your name and address alone is not much to work with or to worry about regarding the status of your timeshare ownership, but...

Since you apparently took the bait (at least initially), you might end up on someone's (...and please don't take personal offense at the description) "sucker list". If you are listed in the phone book, if the "prospect" lists get further circulated you might well receive future phone calls from various "services", calling out of the blue regarding "buying" (...but not really) your timeshare (...always requiring a "upfront" fee for title search, ice cream tax, or some other such nonsense). You can just hang up the phone if / when those calls arrive.

Forewarned is forearmed. Good luck.
 
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SCAM

We were also contacted by Judy Boulay......we thought everything was legit until we received the following email from her.....she wanted us to cash a "cashier's check" for three times the amount we agreed to sell our timeshare for, then send the difference to a Mr. Stanley Kaplan of Chicago Title, once he got in touch with us. At that time, we knew we were in the middle of a scam....of course, we did everything by email, because she told us, too, she was hearing impaired......just remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it is!
 
Scam Attempt

We were contacted in response to our ad on TUG, by a Judy Boulay......we exchanged emails until we received the request to deposit a check for three times the amount of what we agreed to "sell" our timeshare to her for!!! We were instructed to write a check from our account to her "broker", Mr. Stanley Kaplan of Chicago Title, when we got in touch with us. Of course, we realized we were being scammed. DO NOT RESPOND SHOULD THIS PERSON CONTACT YOU TO PURCHASE YOUR TIMESHARE!!!

Diana
 
I actually think it would be helpful for someone to follow through with the scammer and get her/him to mail them the check. The check will be bogus, of course, and the recipient shouldn't actually try to deposit it. But, once the check is received through the mail, I think this would be a good case for the U.S. Postal Inspector, as I mentioned in an earlier post with a link to submit a claim.
 
I actually think it would be helpful for someone to follow through with the scammer and get her/him to mail them the check. The check will be bogus, of course, and the recipient shouldn't actually try to deposit it. But, once the check is received through the mail, I think this would be a good case for the U.S. Postal Inspector, as I mentioned in an earlier post with a link to submit a claim.

Corky in post #68 may just have a check in the mail headed his way. We'll have to wait and see.
 
Judy Boulay is definitely a SCAM

We recognized this a scam from the start. When we do receive the check
she says they are sending amount greater than the timeshare asking price
we will report to TUG and the FBI along with the entire communication thread
Her broker is Chicago Title Timeshare
Apparently the real Chicago Title Timeshare is aware that an entity is using
their name, and have posted a warning on their website

RULE 1: Never pay anything out
RULE 2: If it sound too good it's a SCAM

Thanks to TUG we are able to spot a SCAM, but just commonsense would
tell you this offer was fishy
:wave: By Judy (probably not even a female anyway)
 
Another one

I too was contacted by Judy Boulay via TUG and responded, as I thought her inquiry was legitimate.
After a couple of emails, she offered to send me a check for $3900, which I am supposed to cash and then send $2900 to a gentleman at a title company in Chicago.
If a BOGUS check arrives, I will contact the US Postal Inspector. However I doubt I will hear any more from her/him/them.
Thanks to TUG people for the info on this scammer. :)


So how does one identify a legitimate offer??
 
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There are tons of posts here on how to recognize a scammer but not so many on getting a clean deal.

Obviously buying from listings here changes are slim you will gt scammed vs craigslist, etc.

If I had one suggestion it would be you specify the closing/title company. Some are mentioned here and possibly who did your house closing if a national firm or ask them for a referral.

Scammers just want to get their hands on cash while reputable title/closing company's job is to insure all terms of the contract are fullfilled before anyone gets anything.
 
My thoughts, since you've asked...

So how does one identify a legitimate offer??

For starters, if you are selling a timeshare, there is simply no scenario on Planet Earth in which you would be paying money to your buyer or their "broker" (let alone in amounts of thousands of dollars) to do so. :eek: That's illogical and just plain nuts. Buyers pay money, sellers receive money --- pretty straightforward.

It should be a negotiable matter (...except with eBay mega sellers, who dictate and railroad buyers into mandatory use of their chosen closer and terms, even though the buyer is the one paying the closing costs), as to who selects the closer and who pays closing costs in a private timeshare resale transaction. Sometimes it's the buyer, sometimes the seller, sometimes closing costs are "split". What should never be negotiable is the selection and use of only either an independent, established and respected closing company (...or a mutually acceptable attorney) to handle any and all escrow and later disbursement of any substantial funds involved. For small change or no money transactions, "escrow" is irrelevant.
For me, there are only a very few closing companies I choose to ever utilize, whether I'm the buyer or the seller and regardless of who is paying. They include JRA Services and Timeshare Transfer (with no "s" after Transfer); both are located in Florida and both have a long (a decade or longer) and well established track record of competency, honesty and reliability. Into that same category, I would also include PCS Holdings. Most others, well...not so much. Far too many bozos and incompetents masquerade as "closing companies".

Scammers are almost always easily "smoked out" with some thought, examination and inquiry. They generally manage to exude a certain sketchy "aroma" and lack of knowledge in their communications. There is usually a song and dance routine creating unnecessary and entirely avoidable complications (Judy's gig of I'll "send you a (bogus) big check and you then send me a (legitimate) check for a slightly smaller amount is actually among the most common of red flags). Offers to purchase for more money than you are asking in the first place is always a dead "giveaway" too. Really now, think about it for a moment; who would ever do that?

Convoluted stories creating time delays (to receive and cash your legitimate check and then just disappear) are common too (e.g. "My sister has just been abducted by marauding rebels and I now must go to rescue her, so I'll be travelling for the next six weeks" :rolleyes:). Elusive "judy" was allegedly "travelling for ear surgery", or some such nonsense. Most scammers outside of the U.S. avoid providing legitimate (or traceable) phone numbers, or having any telephone conversations in which flawed or heavily accented English or their obvious larcenous intent might be inadvertently revealed. U.S. scammers, on the other hand, seem to actually prefer to "work the phones", in an effort to use "charm, guile and persuasion" and try to fabricate a "rapport" and build a (completely unfounded, btw) level of trust before actually applying the "sting".

In my experience, sincere buyers and sellers fully identify themselves to one another and /or to the closing entity at some point and certainly before any significant money is put on the table. A valid, legitimate transaction is not a unilateral arrangement where the buyer stays in anonymous "cyber-hiding" (like "Judy", with a "hotmail" email address, no physical location or street address --- and using a "spoofed" or VOIP (or just non-existent) phone number. All these factors collectively make alarm bells go off promptly and loudly.

In short, there are almost always significant and multiple "clues" that scammers inadvertently reveal.
They might think they are pretty smart. Unfortunately for them, TUGGERS are smarter. Some on TUG may even have many years of criminal investigation experience and are very familair with fraudster practices.
That's just a personal theory, of course...;)
 
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Judy

I gave her my name and address before I got an email from her stating she would send me the deposit and I was to forward $. I then knew it was a scam. What can she do with my address and name, anything.
 
I gave her my name and address before I got an email from her stating she would send me the deposit and I was to forward $. I then knew it was a scam. What can she do with my address and name, anything.

Asked and Answered Posts 76-78
 
Thanks

Theo,
Thank you for the advice re:selling. I am new to TUG and also to timeshare re-sales, so your info on closing companies is very useful.
When Judy offered to send me a check for more than the condo price, that was confirmation of the scam.
 
Theo,
Thank you for the advice re:selling. I am new to TUG and also to timeshare re-sales, so your info on closing companies is very useful.
When Judy offered to send me a check for more than the condo price, that was confirmation of the scam.

You are most welcome; it's always a pleasure and an honor to assist a fellow "Maynah". :D
 
I also believed Judy and went as far as wishing her good luck with the hearing aid she was about to receive. I also gave my name address and telephone number. After reading the Tugg newletter I realized it was a scam. In the meantime I just received my 1st e-mail from Samual Kaplan who is supposed to do the closing. By th way he is in Cairo at a Timehare actuion. The e-mail was was so convincing. They really have it planned.
I should be receiving the check (phony) in the mail tomorrow. Wait and see

UGH! Caught by the scammer, believed "Judy" to be legit, gave out my home address and phone number before seeing all this info on TUG.

Am I in any danger? Does this open me up to more scammmers????

The flag went up when I received today's email from "Judy."


<<Thank you for your patience.

Just to let you know that I had to travel and will be away from home for the next 6 weeks. I do not know if I have mentioned this before but I have a disability. I was informed by the hospital which I am registered with that a new hearing aid which is supposed to be able to restore 30% of my hearing ability has just been delivered and they would like to test run it with me. This is impromptu so I had to make speedy arrangements. I tried to reach my broker yesterday and today but I got an auto response that he is currently out of the country on business. I have however sent him numerous email messages along with your contact information and expect him to be in touch with you as soon as he receives my messages.

Because I was unable to contact Samuel to send his brokerage fees, title transfer fees and escrow fees, I visited my bank and got a cashiers check for 3900 dollars which I have also mailed out to you. Upon receipt, I would need you to deposit the check, funds should be available immediately, I would need you to deduct your Ernest deposit of 500 dollars, this is to affirm my willingness and seriousness to buy this property and fend off other offers while closing processes are arranged by my broker. Then, forward the balance 3,400 dollars to Mr Samuel Kaplan as his fees for your timeshare closing and escrow charges whenever he gets in touch with you. It is my assumption that Samuel will provide additional instructions on how to get the fees to him.

He is my personal broker and would be responsible for all the documentation and deed of transfer. Samuel works in affiliation with Chicago title timeshare transfer company who would be handling the closing. Please note that the balance for your timeshare would be held in escrow. As soon as Samuel gets in touch with you and finalizes the sale, the balance will be released to you before you transfer the title deed. Please notify me as soon as you receive contact from Samuel.

Do watch out for any mails to your address and also notify me as soon as you receive my check. Although I am away from home, I would still have access regularly to my email and would be in touch throughout the process.

Thanks for your understanding and sorry for the minor inconvenience. Please respond to this email so I am aware that you have received my message.

Sincerely,
Judy Boulay>>
 
Sure he is...

<snip> ....I just received my 1st e-mail from Samual Kaplan who is supposed to do the closing. By the way he is in Cairo at a Timehare auction. <snip>

Yes, of course he is --- the timeshare auctions are conducted in Cairo (next door to the Farmer's Market) on alternate Tuesdays. On Friday mornings, the live timeshare auctions are conducted over at the Pyramids. :rolleyes:

C'mon....this tale now strains the bounds of credibilty far beyond the breaking point and now just openly insults the intellect. Mythical (non-existent) broker Samuel is at a "timeshare auction" --- in Egypt, no less?
Fyi "Sammy", there are a thousand "timeshare auctions" on eBay every single day of the week, many of them available for a dollar (...many get no bidders at all --- but none actually require travelling to Egypt). :D

In a strange way, you have to give a nod to these parasites. They completely lack any semblance of honesty or integrity, but they certainly don't lack imagination or truly brazen storytelling capabilities. :rolleyes:
 
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More from Samuel

My latest email from "Samuel Kaplan" contained detailed information about sending a check to him and more incorrect information.
- He listed the title company as Chicago title transfer Ltd -- we usually use Inc in the US, although Ltd is common in Europe and internationally
- He said he was in Cairo attending an international timeshare auction seminar and also on vacation -- not likely
- He asked the same questions about the timeshare funding as Judy had asked
- He included a bogus phone number for himself, 201156184131 -- the international code of 011 comes first, then 20 for Egypt's country code, and there should be more digits in the phone number part

So -- they think they are clever, but TUG people are smarter!
 
Multiple "personalities"...

In all likelihood, "Judy Boulay", "Andrew Frechette"and Samuel Kaplan" (and likely using other names too, on various Internet sites and venues) are actually all just one and the same parasite scammer thief person.

The attempted creation of the illusion of multiple, semi-detached others (including the slightly misnamed company, which likely has a bank account ready and able to receive and cash checks from unwary "donors") is just a phony construct, undertaken in an effort to fabricate a false "credibility". Unfortunately, s/he/they still fail quite miserably in manufacturing any such actual credibility. Entertaining perhaps, but not credible...

It has been said that "a fool and his money are soon parted". In truth, only a fool would just send good money off to who-knows-who located in who-knows-where, when the fool is the one selling something. :eek:

However, I do like the amusing and innovative "international timeshare auction seminar" concept. :hysterical:
There has never actually been any such thing anywhere on Planet Earth. If any such thing did somehow magically become an actual reality, would it be conducted in Cairo, Egypt? Somehow, I think not. :rolleyes:
 
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I received the check today for $3900. Plan on taking it to the police. The check is from True West Credit Union . Checked it out and sent them an e-mail Pat
I actually think it would be helpful for someone to follow through with the scammer and get her/him to mail them the check. The check will be bogus, of course, and the recipient shouldn't actually try to deposit it. But, once the check is received through the mail, I think this would be a good case for the U.S. Postal Inspector, as I mentioned in an earlier post with a link to submit a claim.
 
Some thoughts...

I received the check today for $3900. Plan on taking it to the police. The check is from True West Credit Union . Checked it out and sent them an e-mail Pat

It is of course entirely your choice and your prerogative to pursue whatever course of action you deem to be appropriate. That much being acknowledged, it is my strong and informed opinion and experience that your local police actually have no jurisdiction whatsoever at this juncture. For starters, no crime has even yet been committed within their local (and very limited) authority and jurisdiction. Other courses of action to perhaps at least consider first (...or maybe even instead) include, but are not limited to:

1. Present a copy (and / or the original) of the check to your bank, very clearly stating your belief that the check is completely bogus in the first place; at least ask for the bank's input and guidance in case they might wish to examine and / or pursue it further through their own available "bank fraud" channels.

2. Present a copy (and / or the original) of the check to a USPS Postal Inspector. You will have to make advance arrangements to do so via your local Post Office, as USPS Inspectors are generally not located or based at local Post Offices. Alternatively, you might find a USPS Postal Inspector contact point in the "government listings" section of the phone book. Use of the U.S. mail to perpetrate fraud makes that fraud a Federal offense. Congratulations "Judy"; you might just be on the verge of playing in the major leagues.

What is the actual postmark location on the envelope? If this fraudulent activity is being initially based outside of the U.S. (e.g., Cairo, Egypt), there likely isn't a reach long enough to actually get to Judy / Andrew / Samuel, etc., anyhow. Then again, if you actually have the check in hand already, it was likely sent from within the U.S. Postmark details might reveal some noteworthy info..:shrug:
 
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I received the check today for $3900. Plan on taking it to the police. The check is from True West Credit Union . Checked it out and sent them an e-mail Pat





Deposit that check and wait for 5 full months to be sure it clears....

It will bounce, but it may take many months before it happens.




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I strongly disagree with this short sighted "advice"...

Deposit that check and wait for 5 full months to be sure it clears....

It will bounce, but it may take many months before it happens.

Of course the check will bounce if deposited. That's a foregone conclusion and an obvious "no brainer".
If deposited, the check becomes unavailable for further examination --- not to mention the surcharges imposed by the bank when it inevitably bounces. To suggest depositing this check is bad advice, IMnsHO.

Submit the bogus check for examination by those with the actual knowledge, experience and authority to actually do something with / about the bogus check. After all, the objective is presumably not to merely confirm the obvious (i.e., that the check is bogus), but to also attempt to maybe smoke out and try to identify (...and hopefully entirely shut down) the parasitic and thieving fraudster(s) involved. :shrug:
 
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Deposit that check and wait for 5 full months to be sure it clears....

It will bounce, but it may take many months before it happens.




.

Not only will it bounce, you may be charged fees for depositing the bad check, even if it doesn't overdraw your account when it bounces. No chance in the world I'd deposit that check.
 
How does anyone fall this nonsense?

Microsoft researchers have been studying why these "Nigerian scammer" stories get wilder and wilder. The whole point of these ridiculous schemes is to catch the most gullible "marks". Such improbable stories automatically weed out the internet-smart, cautious types who would waste too much of their time. They want to focus on people who are trusting to the nth degree. When they shoot out 10,000 emails, they don't want a response from 10,000 people - they only want the easy targets to respond. (It's actually very clever.)

There are groups of people fighting back by playing along and frustrating the scammers. If these crooks have to spend too much time with people who are on to them, it definitely cuts into their profit. Looks like some tuggers are doing that! Good for you!!! (Just don't deposit their checks!)

Here's an easy to understand explanation of MSFT's white paper from the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...an-e-mail-scams-microsoft-research-study.html
 
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