Wyndham TOOK OVER San Francisco!!

[loosefeet]

I looked to book a weekend in SF. WorldMark used to have 3 resorts: WM SF on Bush, The Inn at the Opera, and Fisherman's Wharf. NOW, ONLY WM SF on Bush is marked as WM--one can access the other resorts only by paying extra fee and meeting more restrictive booking/cancelation rules. What happened? They were not Wyndham properties before.

 

[Sandy VDH]

They were actually Shell properties. Wyndham is folding Shell inventory into Wyndham, not WM.

 

[loosefeet]

But, it was always available for credits for years on the WorldMark website, and name of WorldMark. So, all of this was changed since Wyndham took over.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I don't remember the exact dates that each system has been acquired by Wyndham, but since Wyndham holds the reins over all 3, they can do what they want.

When Worldmark first got taken over they allowed all of Wyndham to book directly into Worldmark No fees, no club pass, VIP discounts applied. But WM owners sued and got an agreement that Wyndham can't book into WM and vice versa. The result was that some locations did an inventory swap, and that is why some resorts are dual branded both Club Wyndham and Worldmark. But later they introduced Club Pass which allows for a booking in Wyndham points for a WM for a fee, and vice versa for WM. But not all inventory is available, and there is a points balancing that must go on in the background.

Similar with Shell that Wyndham acquired. They put inventory into both systems. They have just moved it out of WM and put it in Wyn. Suppose that you could get it through club pass if you have it.

But liked my direct access to WM via wyndham. But what wyndham can give, wyndham can take away.

So now I own both wyndham and WM, it gives to 2 paths to the inventory I want.

 

[CO skier]

I looked to book a weekend in SF. WorldMark used to have 3 resorts: WM SF on Bush, The Inn at the Opera, and Fisherman's Wharf. NOW, ONLY WM SF on Bush is marked as WM--one can access the other resorts only by paying extra fee and meeting more restrictive booking/cancelation rules. What happened? They were not Wyndham properties before.

The location on Bush St. is the only location that was ever deeded as a WorldMark resort. The other two locations were either affiliate or associate resorts through the Timeshare Exchange Network (TEN) program.

Affiliate and Associate resorts may be added to or deleted from the WorldMark availability at Wyndham's discretion, since they are not deeded into WorldMark the Club.

 

[CO skier]

When Worldmark first got taken over they all Wyndham to book directly into Worldmark No fees, no club pass, VIP discounts applied. But WM owners sued and got an agreement that Wyndham can't book into WM and vice versa. The result was that some locations did an inventory swap, and that is why some resorts are dual branded both Club Wyndham and Worldmark. But later they introduced Club Pass which allows for a booking in Wyndham points for a WM for a fee, and vice versa for WM. But not inventory is available, and there is a points balancing that must go on in the background. Similar with Shell that Wyndham acquired. They put inventory into both systems.

There is so much misinformation in this paragraph, it would take me an hour to author a post with the correct information. It would not make any difference, so I will not bother with the effort.

Here is a clue that will take only a minute to post: The Wixon settlement was an extraction of WorldMark inventory due to some dumbass WorldMark owners, not some kind of "swap". There was no "agreement that Wyndham can't book into WM and vice versa" as a result of the lawsuit settlement.

 

[sue1947]

Those were never WM properties, but always Shell. They were available via exchange or possibly via the old, now defunct, Affiliates option. I exchanged in via II and don't remember them being available any other way, but the affiliates option allowed you to book via WM credits plus a daily fee that added up to an exchange fee for the week. Most of the properties I remember were VI properties, but I stayed at Wyndham Sedona via the affiliates option as well. This is the most likely reason for what you remember. But they were never WM properties.

 

[CO skier]

The Wixon settlement -- a sure cure for insomnia -- clearly stating the "cancellation of credits", not any kind of inventory "swap" with Club Wyndham.

https://www.classlawgroup.com/docs/cases/86_WyndhamSummaryNotice.pdf

 

[loosefeet]

Those were never WM properties, but always Shell. They were available via exchange or possibly via the old, now defunct, Affiliates option. I exchanged in via II and don't remember them being available any other way, but the affiliates option allowed you to book via WM credits plus a daily fee that added up to an exchange fee for the week. Most of the properties I remember were VI properties, but I stayed at Wyndham Sedona via the affiliates option as well. This is the most likely reason for what you remember. But they were never WM properties.

I booked into all the properties regularly using credits through WorldMark website with the same amount of credits and no extra fees or restrictions--no mention of being affiliate etc. However, thank you for the insight. I did not know about the Wixon settlement--guess I'm not following the WM Club politics very closely.

 

[sue1947]

I did not know about the Wixon settlement--guess I'm not following the WM Club politics very closely.

This had nothing to do with the Wixon settlement. That settlement resulted in some WM units becoming Wyndham (not Shell) at some formerly all WM resorts.
Your ability to book these units via WM credits would have been via some affiliate/associate resort deal between WM and Shell that probably happened when Wyndham took over Shell. As a developer program, it would have been temporary.

 

[dioxide45]

The Wixon settlement -- a sure cure for insomnia -- clearly stating the "cancellation of credits", not any kind of inventory "swap" with Club Wyndham.

https://www.classlawgroup.com/docs/cases/86_WyndhamSummaryNotice.pdf

I got the impression that Sandy was trying to state that since Wyndham couldn’t just do whatever they wanted, they later just did inventory swaps. Ultimately moving inventory into Club Wyndham resulting in the dual resorts we see today?

 

[Sandy VDH]

I got the impression that Sandy was trying to state that since Wyndham couldn’t just do whatever they wanted, they later just did inventory swaps. Ultimately moving inventory into Club Wyndham resulting in the dual resorts we see today?

@dioxide45 is correct in interpreting what I was saying. The inventory swap solution ended up being a result of the lawsuit, not an outcome of the lawsuit.

Cause and effect. Lawsuit was the impetus and effects of inventory swap change not the cause of the change.