Wyndham Club Select vs Access Inventory - Is there a difference?

[Ecelso]

Hello,

Today I attended an owner presentation for the first time since I became a member. I am a new owner and I bought resale to Wyndham Club Select - with my home resort at Panama City... In today's presentation, the rep said that the inventory points for Wyndham select is reducing while Wyndham access point is increasing. Essentially, for a select bemberes inventory there will be less availability. Is there any truth in that? Pleas advise and many thanks!

 

[TjTraveler]

Access can get you ARP at more resorts. Select gets you ARP at your contracted resort. Points are the same after ARP. Many select contracts have lower mf than access.

 

[Ecelso]

Access can get you ARP at more resorts. Select gets you ARP at your contracted resort. Points are the same after ARP. Many select contracts have lower mf than access.

Thanks for the reply. I told him basically the same thing. I remember doing a ton of research here on this site. I told him that I am a TUGG member and get a lot of info from this forum. He basically tried to discredit the knowledge base provided by members in this forum saying that the info is wrong. He even pulled out a big white book showing points per resort, but I was not having it... but it did made me curious.

 

[TjTraveler]

Thanks for the reply. I told him basically the same thing. I remember doing a ton of research here on this site. I told him that I am a TUGG member and get a lot of info from this forum. He basically tried to discredit the knowledge base provided by members in this forum saying that the info is wrong. He even pulled out a big white book showing points per resort, but I was not having it... but it did made me curious.

Yeah if you want access buy resale or watch for free contracts. Dont buy retail.

 

[Richelle]

Thanks for the reply. I told him basically the same thing. I remember doing a ton of research here on this site. I told him that I am a TUGG member and get a lot of info from this forum. He basically tried to discredit the knowledge base provided by members in this forum saying that the info is wrong. He even pulled out a big white book showing points per resort, but I was not having it... but it did made me curious.

The big white book tells you how many units it has “interest” in. Not how many are CWA. So just because it says “Resort A has 184 units. The trust have interest in 184 units.” Doesn’t mean it’s all CWA. It just means a portion of those units are held by CWA. Determining what percentage of a resort is owned by CWA is tricky and requires a lot of digging through that book because the numbers you need are not all in one place. @HitchHiker71 did some of that math. I remember Canterbury was less then 1% CWA. National Harbor was around 18%, Bonnet Creek was 27%, and Durango was 100% CWA. I also remember that, for the most part, the higher the resort maintenance fee, the higher the percentage of CWA inventory. Low maintenance fee contracts like Panama City are more desirable, so it’s easier to sell deeded points at Panama then CWA which has a higher maintenance fee. So there is going to be less inventory in the trust then a high maintenance fee resort, or a undesirable resort that are harder to sell as deeded points.

Just let the sales guy know, we don’t make commission, so we have nothing to gain by lying unlike him. Many of us have been owners longer then most of those sales people have been selling. So we know more then they do. He knows all this, but we are hampering his ability to sell, so he will try to discredit us or anything else in his way.

 

[Sandy VDH]

Once it hits SRP window (10 months) it does not matter. Both points type are in the same inventory pool to book at that time.

 

[Ecelso]

The big white book tells you how many units it has “interest” in. Not how many are CWA. So just because it says “Resort A has 184 units. The trust have interest in 184 units.” Doesn’t mean it’s all CWA. It just means a portion of those units are held by CWA. Determining what percentage of a resort is owned by CWA is tricky and requires a lot of digging through that book because the numbers you need are not all in one place. @HitchHiker71 did some of that math. I remember Canterbury was less then 1% CWA. National Harbor was around 18%, Bonnet Creek was 27%, and Durango was 100% CWA. I also remember that, for the most part, the higher the resort maintenance fee, the higher the percentage of CWA inventory. Low maintenance fee contracts like Panama City are more desirable, so it’s easier to sell deeded points at Panama then CWA which has a higher maintenance fee. So there is going to be less inventory in the trust then a high maintenance fee resort, or a undesirable resort that are harder to sell as deeded points.

Just let the sales guy know, we don’t make commission, so we have nothing to gain by lying unlike him. Many of us have been owners longer then most of those sales people have been selling. So we know more then they do. He knows all this, but we are hampering his ability to sell, so he will try to discredit us or anything else in his way.

Thank you for the input... yeah. Because of TUGG and all you wonderful people giving me great advise, I avoided making a major mistake that was going to cost me thousands of dollars... Many thanks!

 

[dgalati]

Thank you for the input... yeah. Because of TUGG and all you wonderful people giving me great advise, I avoided making a major mistake that was going to cost me thousands of dollars... Many thanks!

Many ways to enjoy timesharing. A few will make you believe resale or buying developer all the way up to VIPP is the only way to go. Many others will help you Pic your way to VIP (if it fits your travel needs) for a lot less. Without factoring in the initial sunk cost of any purchase for my travel needs of booking on short notice I have found out its cheaper to rent from a VIP then to pay and be burdened with maintenance fees. I also have traded deeds to travel at a much lower cost then buying and holding. Best advice I was told when first getting involved with timeshares was "Learn the system and make it work for your travel needs".

 

[Eric B]

.... Select gets you ARP at your contracted resort. Points are the same after ARP. ....

This is true to a great extent, but there are some variations at some CWS resorts. For example, owning at Wyndham Bali Hai would make you an Outrigger Club owner with early access to reserve at 12 months at the other Outrigger Club resorts in Hawaii as well as having some set aside inventory that non-Outrigger Club owners (e.g., CWA) don't get.

https://clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com/us/en/owner-guide/resources/outrigger-resort-club

Presidential Reserve and Margaritaville Vacation Club have similar early access to non-home resorts (i.e., other Presidential Reserve Resorts and Margaritaville Resorts) and set asides after ARP. In general, though, except for Margaritaville Resorts, once it's at the 10 month point there's no difference. At Margaritaville Resorts, the ability to book is based on VIP status (5 months for non-VIP, 6 months VIPS, 8 months VIPG, and 10 months VIPP), but some Margaritaville inventory is in CWA and can be accessed with a CWA contract through ARP to the extent that it is still available.

Bottom line is OP shouldn't be too surprised if there are variations, although I don't know of anything special associated with a PCB contract. There could be reciprocal ARP associated with it depending on what it came with to the original owner.

In any case, the sales force will tell any CWS owner that CWA is much better and the way to go and they'll tell any CWA owner that CWS is quite superior. If you own a mix, they'll tell you that your CWS resort isn't a good one to own and you should switch it to CWA and that CWA is a bad idea so you should switch that part to a different CWS resort. They get paid by commission, after all....

 

[Rolltydr]

In any case, the sales force will tell any CWS owner that CWA is much better and the way to go and they'll tell any CWA owner that CWS is quite superior. If you own a mix, they'll tell you that your CWS resort isn't a good one to own and you should switch it to CWA and that CWA is a bad idea so you should switch that part to a different CWS resort. They get paid by commission, after all....

This is 100% correct!

 

[dgalati]

In any case, the sales force will tell any CWS owner that CWA is much better and the way to go and they'll tell any CWA owner that CWS is quite superior. If you own a mix, they'll tell you that your CWS resort isn't a good one to own and you should switch it to CWA and that CWA is a bad idea so you should switch that part to a different CWS resort. They get paid by commission, after all....

This is 100% correct!

CWA is just one of multiple marketing strategies that sales utilize. It is also a great way to daze and confuse owners into buying more points then they need or can use. No different then the new program or levels called Privileges. Sales used this strategy to sell more points to existing owners even if they didn't need the additional points and would of been grandfathered in under the old rules.

 

[GRapuser]

I attended an "update" last week at Margaritaville in Nashville, and for at least the second time in the last year (I have probably attended 7 updates in that time) the salesperson tried to tell me that I needed to have more CWA points to "unlock" inventory that wasn't showing up for me, even within 10 months. After declining to buy more points, she brought the "closer" in to try to convince me that I wasn't seeing enough inventory, even during the discount and upgrade period. I then explained to both of them how their system worked, that CWA was a trust that held multiple deeds, but that inside of 10 months the Club Wyndham bylaws indicate that all inventory is available to everyone, with the exception of the Presidential Reserve and Margaritaville units that are held back for their owners. I was shocked that after realizing that I actually understood the system and probably had more knowledge about it than they did, they continued to try to convince me that I was wrong. Needless to say, it was not a good sales experience, but it affirmed that knowledge is power.

I had the opposite at Glacier Canyon this week, however. I had a very pleasant conversation with the sales rep, he showed me the new booklet with the new resorts that are now available, and he didn't try to sell me a thing.

 

[Pathways]

I had the opposite at Glacier Canyon this week, however. I had a very pleasant conversation with the sales rep, he showed me the new booklet with the new resorts that are now available, and he didn't try to sell me a thing

As of 6 minutes ago when the Wyndham reps saw your post, they are feverishly trying to identify you and who your sales rep was in order to provide a 'coaching experience'.

 

[cbyrne1174]

Hello,

Today I attended an owner presentation for the first time since I became a member. I am a new owner and I bought resale to Wyndham Club Select - with my home resort at Panama City... In today's presentation, the rep said that the inventory points for Wyndham select is reducing while Wyndham access point is increasing. Essentially, for a select bemberes inventory there will be less availability. Is there any truth in that? Pleas advise and many thanks!

In my opinion, your ownership is in the top 10% of all Wyndham owners in terms of "most bang for your buck". The only people who I feel personally get a better deal are those who bought into VIP Gold and Platinum for barely any $$ compared to what it costs now and are able to use the discount window for over 90% of their points.