Wyndham Bali Hai Upgrade Offer

[90_Min_Sales_Pitch]

We took our first "owner's update meeting" at Wyndham Bali Hai, and it did not disappoint. We've done 3 presentations with Wyndham before becoming (resale) owners, and have found Wyndham to be the most persuasive, the most emotionally embraced, producing more brain fog than any other timeshare company we've toured.

We were offered everything from a 2-Bedroom annually, to a 1-Bedroom EOY. The latter from memory was $16,000+, MF $48 per month, 123,000 points.

The pitch:

1) We would get TPI Premier Access, and be able to trade 1 week in for 2 from Trading Places International's inventory.
2) They were down to the last 5% of inventory on the final Kai location and would be sold out within the next 6 months.
3) Hawaiian property is getting very expensive; this is our last chance to get a piece of it for cheap.
4) Since Hawaiian vacations costs $5,000 - $10,000 per trip, we'll break even in no time.

We declined. We have no need for more timeshare, and would buy resale if we did. I correctly assumed that there was more to TPI than a free lunch.

 

[Jethro37]

Any of those perks apply to Bali Hai resale points?

 

[Eric B]

Any of those perks apply to Bali Hai resale points?

I believe they all do, though I couldn't tell you if the TPI one is still in place. Even resale Bali Hai points are in Club Wyndham Kai (formerly the Outrigger Resort Club) and get the perks described at:

Resources

Get the information you need to fully take advantage of your Club Wyndham vacation ownership. From timeshare points to reservations you will find what you need.

clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com

The TPI one is offered from a separate company and doesn't cost Wyndham anything - some people like the bonus weeks there, but my recollection is that they couldn't be booked terribly far in advance so I never used them. The better use for Bali Hai points is using them elsewhere in Club Wyndham IMHO anyway.

 

[Jethro37]

I believe they all do, though I couldn't tell you if the TPI one is still in place. Even resale Bali Hai points are in Club Wyndham Kai (formerly the Outrigger Resort Club) and get the perks described at:

Resources

Get the information you need to fully take advantage of your Club Wyndham vacation ownership. From timeshare points to reservations you will find what you need.

clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com

The TPI one is offered from a separate company and doesn't cost Wyndham anything - some people like the bonus weeks there, but my recollection is that they couldn't be booked terribly far in advance so I never used them. The better use for Bali Hai points is using them elsewhere in Club Wyndham IMHO anyway.

Thanks for the info!

 

[slabeaume]

We own at Bali Hai and have used TPI a couple times. But everytime I look lately there isn't anything available that we want. As I recall, when we bought Bali Hai, something like a 2 year premium membership into TPI was included (included the bonus week if you gave them a week 6 months out and lower exchange fees, as I recall). After that there's a small fee to stay premium, or you could become basic for no fee (no bonus week, ... ). I do believe you have to have one of their approved properties to be in TPI---Bali Hai was one.

 

[geist1223]

From past posts in TUG if you can find an old fashion Bali Hai Deed (float float 50 weeks of the year) that is the best way to go.

 

[aams]

From past posts in TUG if you can find an old fashion Bali Hai Deed (float float 50 weeks of the year) that is the best way to go.

Would you mind explaining why that is the best way to go? From what I have read, seems like converted weeks to point or UDI points contract is what to look for?

 

[geist1223]

If I remember correctly the Maintenance fees are less and less hassle dealing with Wyndham. It would be one of the old Pahio Deeds/Contracts. There are probably very fee still kicking around.

 

[aams]

If I remember correctly the Maintenance fees are less and less hassle dealing with Wyndham. It would be one of the old Pahio Deeds/Contracts. There are probably very fee still kicking around.

For a 3BR floating deeded contract at Bali Hai MF are around 1900. To get 3BR it would take about 500K points. That means MF are about 3.8 + .66 = 4.46. This is pretty much in line with Points based MF so seems like not much difference in MF if any.

Deeded 3BR week based Resale contract

PROS:

1. Potential benefit in pecking order for 3BR unit anytime of the year
2. Can use PIC to get 254K points towards VIP. Additional costs but still cheaper than developer purchase of 254K

CONS:

1. None of the flexibility that comes with points
2. Limited to 1 wk vacation in a 3 BR unit
3. Exchange via RCI to outside of the resort

So unless I plan to attain VIP status (I am a discovery member currently) there is no benefit of going after a deeded wk based contract. Anything, I am missing?

 

[paxsarah]

Can use PIC to get 254K points towards VIP. Additional costs but still cheaper than developer purchase of 254K

I'm not sure what you mean here. A PIC is by definition a non-Wyndham week.

 

[aams]

I'm not sure what you mean here. A PIC is by definition a non-Wyndham week.

My bad but I am even more confused... If non-Wyndham week is truly that aka.. not associated with Wyndham (resorts within Club Wyndham) then does that mean Westgate, Bluegreen Mariott (not Mariott as it doesnt trade on RCI so not RCI week eligible) etc weeks are eligible. Why would Wyndham give that benefit? I can see if its Worldmark/Shell Week as Wyndham owns em... but .... Apologies for the ignorance.. I thought I had read and understood it all lol but thats why my kids call me a dum dum

Thank you all ... learning a lot from this forum..

 

[HitchHiker71]

My bad but I am even more confused... If non-Wyndham week is truly that aka.. not associated with Wyndham (resorts within Club Wyndham) then does that mean Westgate, Bluegreen Mariott (not Mariott as it doesnt trade on RCI so not RCI week eligible) etc weeks are eligible. Why would Wyndham give that benefit? I can see if its Worldmark/Shell Week as Wyndham owns em... but .... Apologies for the ignorance.. I thought I had read and understood it all lol but thats why my kids call me a dum dum

Thank you all ... learning a lot from this forum..

The Wyndham PIC Program

PIC stands for Personal Interval Choice. With PIC Plus, you can use those points towards VIP status and make reservations.

wyndhamexperts.org

 

[aams]

The Wyndham PIC Program

PIC stands for Personal Interval Choice. With PIC Plus, you can use those points towards VIP status and make reservations.

wyndhamexperts.org

Thank you very much...

 

[geist1223]

Wyndham is the Developer of Worldmark. Which means they build or rehab timeshares on behalf of Worldmark. The Deeds are turned over to Worldmark. They then have the right to sell the Credits generated by these new or rehab timeshares. As a separate deal The Worldmark BOD retained Wyndham as the Day to Day Manager of the Worldmark Resorts. Wyndham pays to Worldmark Maintenance Fees on all the unsold Credits Wyndham has/controls.