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Would you avoid buying a Florida timeshare due to Florida Senate Bill 4 D?

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Is this new Florida law giving anyone pause over buying in Florida due to possible big increases in fees?

Would it likely be a one-time hit or annual impact to overall fees?

Please also provide verified fee increases due to the law.

Structural Reserve Funding Requirement

 
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Looks like Disney is not increasing fees enough to warrant concern.
 

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Perhaps this would be a good poll question?
 

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Is this new Florida law giving anyone pause over buying in Florida due to possible big increases in fees?

Would it likely be a one-time hit or annual impact to overall fees?

Structural Reserve Funding Requirement


This law was actually passed back in May of 2022, exactly four months before Hurricane Ian whacked part of SW Florida. I claim no expertise on this law, but do own weeks at several impacted FL timeshare properties at or over 3 stories in height and therefore subject to the “4D“ requirements, so I have some limited first hand experience regarding its’ application.

My (and my Board and Board attorneys) understanding is that a structural engineer must be “engaged” before 12/31/23, with the actual engineering assessment having to be completed by 12/31/24. Absent discovery of any structural problems, projected costs for this process (to be repeated only once every 10 years thereafter) don’t seem to be prohibitive in the opinion of the Boards and (two different) management companies of our two respective resorts.

That said, the more immediate (and permanent) “killer” as far as FL owner fees go is the fact that insurance costs (at least for coastal SW FL) have literally TRIPLED in just the past two years or so. At our small, independent resorts, we‘re talking about INCREASES of well over $350k per year. Unlike “4D” compliance costs, this hit will occur each and every year and, it may be safely assumed, will also see annual increases to boot. Certainly a factor to consider for prospective FL buyers, as well as those entirely reasonable (and only periodic) “4D” requirements.
 
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The other thing that will impact fees is the inability of associations to waive fully funded reserves for certain structural reserve funding items starting in 2025. This will likely mean an increase in reserves with the bills that come out in late 2024 for most systems.
 

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Looks like Disney is not increasing fees enough to warrant concern.
Yes, the MFs having the highest increases seem to be those on the coasts - VB, HHI - where insurance costs have increased tremendously, and in Hawaii and California.

And the other aspect in relation to this law is that with the WDW resorts all being near each other, the cost of the necessary inspections and services can be shared among them.
 

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Looks like Disney is not increasing fees enough to warrant concern.
I wonder if this is because it is fundamentally a lease of the building, not ownership.

I'm not currently in the market. If I were in the market, and it were a year ago, MGV would have been on my target list. If I were in the market now, it would not be--and nothing in Florida would be for the next few years. I want to see how this shakes out, because it has the potential for changing value propositions in a non-trivial way.
 

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I wonder if this is because it is fundamentally a lease of the building, not ownership.

I'm not currently in the market. If I were in the market, and it were a year ago, MGV would have been on my target list. If I were in the market now, it would not be--and nothing in Florida would be for the next few years. I want to see how this shakes out, because it has the potential for changing value propositions in a non-trivial way.
A lot of DVC resorts also share physical structures with DVC hotel properties. So I suspect a number of expenses are shared with the master association. Are hotel type properties bound by SB-4D? If not, this bill may not impact a lot of DVC resorts.
 

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I'm kind of concerned as I *just* got HGVC Seaworld, but this year's increase wasn't huge, ~ 10% I think? I kind of hope they've been taking care of this all along so there won't be a massive increase from all of this but IDK. They're already on the high side of price for these things so...
 

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Depends on what you want to do with it.

If it is to trade then you should be concerned no matter where you buy. Currently, Vegas looks like a good place because MFs stay comparatively low with little risk for disasters etc. Having little risk does not mean it will not happen and Vegas may somehow spiral out of control because of dams running dry, some legislation to raise taxes, or something else. Just look at how some people bought into cheaper systems to trade in RCI because Disney was available. They may have cheap MFs now but probably have to work harder for their lemonade or be paying for something they now do not want or use. So, I would say as long as you go in with eyes wide open and an exit strategy if you really become unhappy then do it.

We bought Lakeshore Reserve at construction thinking we will be able to make better use of exchanging by locking off and having 2 x 1 bedroom units(This is because our Son Antem Unit was a dedicated 2 bedroom). Now it is the worst thing I ever did. We moved to the USA, the points system was introduced shortly after buying, and the Marriott subsidy of MFs went away while they did not build out the resort so few owners have to pay for maintaining amenities etc which increases the MFs. Fortunately they waved fully funding reserves this year which would have put MF at $5000 for a 2 bedroom. Now I wonder what may happen next year.

Buying where you want to go most often and having that unit tradeing well seems to be the best advice for spending money well.
 

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If it is to trade then you should be concerned no matter where you buy. Currently, Vegas looks like a good place because MFs stay comparatively low with little risk for disasters etc.

A trader week is only as good as 1) What it can pull; and 2) How many weeks it can pull on a single maintenance fee. Las Vegas would be rather low on my list of possible trader-weeks. It's much, much better to own a week at the only timeshare in town, in a beloved prestige area. There are a handful of these scattered around the US.
 

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A trader week is only as good as 1) What it can pull; and 2) How many weeks it can pull on a single maintenance fee. Las Vegas would be rather low on my list of possible trader-weeks. It's much, much better to own a week at the only timeshare in town, in a beloved prestige area. There are a handful of these scattered around the US.
Being in the Marriott system an reading other forums(see HGVC) was the reason I referenced Vegas. I do agree with you.

Orlando does seem to becoming over priced for using as trader and a keeper.
 
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I wonder if this is because it is fundamentally a lease of the building, not ownership.

I'm not currently in the market. If I were in the market, and it were a year ago, MGV would have been on my target list. If I were in the market now, it would not be--and nothing in Florida would be for the next few years. I want to see how this shakes out, because it has the potential for changing value propositions in a non-trivial way.
I was thinking the same thing. I was considering picking up a MGV to exchange or Florida Club usage. I might rethink that strategy now. I own at SVV so we'll see if there are any major increases.
 

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It's much, much better to own a week at the only timeshare in town, in a beloved prestige area. There are a handful of these scattered around the US.
Yes, yes there are. And maybe only a small subset of those are owned or operated by one of the branded systems. :D
 

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A 17% increase is not great, but that still leaves the '24 fees at like $1900, or a little less. That's not bad, but I wonder what's going to happen if the FL legislature does not change the "cannot waive full funding after '25" part of the condo law.
I’m very happy owning only 1 Marriott timeshare in Orlando…and that’s a 2 BR lockoff….I would not be happy owning 2..3 or 4 weeks…We purchased over 20 years ago pre construction…and have had many great II exchanges over the years.
 

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Buy where you want to go often and with a short travel distance.
 
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