Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific Ocean

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Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific Ocean

Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific Ocean

Discover why planes avoid flying directly over the Pacific Ocean and the factors that influence flight routes and safety decisions.

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Richard

 

[davidvel]

Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific Ocean

Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific Ocean

Discover why planes avoid flying directly over the Pacific Ocean and the factors that influence flight routes and safety decisions.

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Richard

Really? I wonder how we all get to Hawaii. CLICKBAIT.

 

[pedro47]

The OP, needs to checks his airline route source ?????????????

 

[artringwald]

All you need to do is to find a globe and a piece of string. Hold one end of the string on New York and the other on Tokyo. Pull it tight and you'll see that the shortest route is not across the middle of the Pacific Ocean. The problem is you can't make a flat map of a round globe without terrible distortion.

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[ScoopKona]

The problem is you can't make a flat map of a round globe without terrible distortion.

R. Buckminster Fuller managed. It's just that nobody can mentally put the pieces together.

 

[davidvel]

R. Buckminster Fuller managed. It's just that nobody can mentally put the pieces together.

His map is still wildly distorted from the reality of the globe. Flat cannot accurately convey the globe.

 

[ScoopKona]

His map is still wildly distorted from the reality of the globe. Flat cannot accurately convey the globe.

Perspective is everything. Scale is correct. Everything is exactly where it is supposed to be. We can't route an airplane with a piece of string. But we have the Internet. It's not like this is hard.

 

[davidvel]

R. Buckminster Fuller managed. It's just that nobody can mentally put the pieces together.

His map is still wildly distorted from the reality of the globe. Flat cannot accurately convey the globe.

Perspective is everything. Scale is correct. Everything is exactly where it is supposed to be. We can't route an airplane with a piece of string. But we have the Internet. It's not like this is hard.

I'd rather my flight crew route the flight using a shoelace on a globe than whatever on that map.

 

[easyrider]

All you need to do is to find a globe and a piece of string. Hold one end of the string on New York and the other on Tokyo. Pull it tight and you'll see that the shortest route is not across the middle of the Pacific Ocean. The problem is you can't make a flat map of a round globe without terrible distortion.

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String theory.

Bill

 

[Talent312]

What route will teleportation take?
"Beam me up. Scotty."

 

[Jeddy]

What route will teleportation take?
"Beam me up. Scotty."

Actually, an interesting question is what happens to momentum differences between the start and end points when teleporting....

 

[bizaro86]

Actually, an interesting question is what happens to momentum differences between the start and end points when teleporting....

Maybe if you're vaporized during transport then you have no mass and thus no momentum to speak of?

P=mV
So if m=0, P=0

I agree that's an interesting question - I'm too old to live in a world where momentum isn't conserved, and I'm not even middle aged!

 

[Jeddy]

Maybe if you're vaporized during transport then you have no mass and thus no momentum to speak of?

P=mV
So if m=0, P=0

I agree that's an interesting question - I'm too old to live in a world where momentum isn't conserved, and I'm not even middle aged!

Doesn't matter what 'state' the plasma is in during transport; it's the 'two ships passing' problem.
Consider hopping from one moving boat to another in open water.
If boats are moving at the same speed and in the same direction, then ship-ship transfer is easy. Same momentum vector on start and end points.
However, if they are moving at different speeds, or in different directions.....

 

[ScoopKona]

Doesn't matter what 'state' the plasma is in during transport; it's the 'two ships passing' problem.
Consider hopping from one moving boat to another in open water.
If boats are moving at the same speed and in the same direction, then ship-ship transfer is easy. Same momentum vector on start and end points.
However, if they are moving at different speeds, or in different directions.....

Trek gets around this with "inertial dampeners."

Magic, basically. (And here comes a Clarke quote!)

 

[bizaro86]

Doesn't matter what 'state' the plasma is in during transport; it's the 'two ships passing' problem.
Consider hopping from one moving boat to another in open water.
If boats are moving at the same speed and in the same direction, then ship-ship transfer is easy. Same momentum vector on start and end points.
However, if they are moving at different speeds, or in different directions.....

For sure, I definitely understand the conundrum.

I'm saying I think a pre-requisite for teleportation would essentially be the ability to interconvert mass to something with zero mass - essentially information. (Vaporized was a poor word choice there, I didn't mean a phase change to any known state of matter)

If you could convert mass to information, then because it has zero mass it can travel at the speed of light, and then it could be converted back to mass at the destination.

Now, the ability to convert mass to information is a pretty big assumption I've included, but if that was possible than momentum would be conserved.

 

[easyrider]

For sure, I definitely understand the conundrum.

I'm saying I think a pre-requisite for teleportation would essentially be the ability to interconvert mass to something with zero mass - essentially information. (Vaporized was a poor word choice there, I didn't mean a phase change to any known state of matter)

If you could convert mass to information, then because it has zero mass it can travel at the speed of light, and then it could be converted back to mass at the destination.

Now, the ability to convert mass to information is a pretty big assumption I've included, but if that was possible than momentum would be conserved.

To appear is called apparition and to disappear is called dis-apparition. This is the form of teleportation where you vanish from one location and show up in another. It helps if you have a magic stick called a wand. This is how Harry Potter does it, lol.

Michio Kaku has spoke on this a few times. It's interesting that they are trying to figure out what how a person souls travels. Basically, they don't know, lol.

Bill

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

All you need to do is to find a globe and a piece of string. Hold one end of the string on New York and the other on Tokyo. Pull it tight and you'll see that the shortest route is not across the middle of the Pacific Ocean. The problem is you can't make a flat map of a round globe without terrible distortion.

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Bingo!!!!

That is precisely why Delta is building out Seattle as a hub for trans-Pacific flights instead of San Francisco or LAX. Unless flyers are originating or terminating their trans-Pacific flights in the western US, it's cheaper and faster use Seattle as a hub than other major western US airports.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Perspective is everything. Scale is correct. Everything is exactly where it is supposed to be. We can't route an airplane with a piece of string. But we have the Internet. It's not like this is hard.

commenting on Bucky, my solid mechanics professor admitted to some bewilderment. He opined that if he had a force located at point A that needed to be transferred to point B, the easiest and simplest way to accomplish that was to use a simple bar to connect the forces. He didn't understand Bucky's logic that it was more practical and efficient to use a dodecahedron. And that if Bucky was correct, nature would have filled the world with dodecahedrons instead of linear structures such as bones and tree branches.

 

[Brett]

All you need to do is to find a globe and a piece of string. Hold one end of the string on New York and the other on Tokyo. Pull it tight and you'll see that the shortest route is not across the middle of the Pacific Ocean. The problem is you can't make a flat map of a round globe without terrible distortion.

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and why Anchorage Alaska is the 3rd busiest airport
(for cargo traffic)