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Which point system works Better?

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I am looking into time shares. I was going to to buy into HGV. I liked their point system. I do not like to travel to the same place every year and like the options that a point system gives. However, being a teacher, I can only travel during peak season which means some places will be hard to get and require huge points. I liked that HGV is linked to RCI to give me more options - but i dislike the accommodations with RCI. I wish HGV had more over seas locations in city centers with the same point value as the us locations. I am just trying to do my research before take the leap. Any input would be great.
 
There are very few resorts in downtown areas.
Hgv or Marriott or Wyndham would be best I would think. Largest chains with nice accommodations.

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I am looking into time shares. I was going to to buy into HGV. I liked their point system. I do not like to travel to the same place every year and like the options that a point system gives. However, being a teacher, I can only travel during peak season which means some places will be hard to get and require huge points. I liked that HGV is linked to RCI to give me more options - but i dislike the accommodations with RCI. I wish HGV had more over seas locations in city centers with the same point value as the us locations. I am just trying to do my research before take the leap. Any input would be great.
Marriott has great locations plus with the acquisition of vistana many locations and top quality resorts will be possibly opening up. Excellent preference in interval and with Marriott points you can book their pulse locations. If I didn’t have my favorite vistana resort I want to book all the time, I myself would go into Marriott.
 
Marriott has great locations plus with the acquisition of vistana many locations and top quality resorts will be possibly opening up. Excellent preference in interval and with Marriott points you can book their pulse locations. If I didn’t have my favorite vistana resort I want to book all the time, I myself would go into Marriott.
Does Marriott work like Hilton Grand Vacations? Which has high MF's? If I were to go with Marriott how many point would I need - I know with Hilton I would need 7000 points.
 
Does Marriott work like Hilton Grand Vacations? Which has high MF's? If I were to go with Marriott how many point would I need - I know with Hilton I would need 7000 points.
It all depends on how long you want to travel, the size of the unit you need and of course time of year you plan on going. I’d suggest looking at the Marriott vacation club calendar and see how many points you need.

You can do a 2 bedroom at the Aruba surf club in the summer for 3500 points. You can also do Christmas week for 6500 points. It all depends. I’d look to where you’d want to go and when then figure out point needs. Others on here who own in the Marriott system can answer better. Marriott has locations in Europe, Asia, as well as Australia. Marriott really shines with destinations (except Mexico) but with the vistana integration and the wide variety in interval, there is no need for mexico imo

 
Does Marriott work like Hilton Grand Vacations? Which has high MF's? If I were to go with Marriott how many point would I need - I know with Hilton I would need 7000 points.

Here is a chart with links that is a start in explaining the differences between the systems. IIRC, Marriott has a pretty high buy in cost for resale, but the resorts are really nice and are located all over.
 

Here's a link to the sticky on the points system chart @dayooper mentioned.
 

Here's a link to the sticky on the points system chart @dayooper mentioned.
I look at what the OP is asking and since he wants the most out of location choices and is bound to school holidays, the Marriott system is the best since they can book anywhere at 12 Mo. This is a great comparison.
 
I look at what the OP is asking and since he wants the most out of location choices and is bound to school holidays, the Marriott system is the best since they can book anywhere at 12 Mo. This is a great comparison.

The issue I saw with the Marriott points system is the buy in costs. The fee to convert your week into points was very prohibitive for me. While HGVC has fees as well, they were much lower than. MVC was. HGVC MF’s can be pretty low (I pay ~$1250 for my week including club dues). I looked at a traditional MVC week to trade into II, but the flexibility just wasn’t there. I have been very happy with my resale HGVC purchase. We see more points in our future.
 

Here's a link to the sticky on the points system chart @dayooper mentioned.

Thank you. I forgot to link the chart.
 
was going to to buy into HGV. I liked their point system. I do not like to travel to the same place every year and like the options that a point system gives. However, being a teacher, I can only travel during peak season which means some places will be hard to get and require huge points. I liked that HGV is linked to RCI to give me more options - but i dislike the accommodations with RCI. I wish HGV had more over seas locations in city centers with the same point value as the us locations. I am just trying to do my research before take the leap. Any input would be great.
One of the first things to consider is that you are going to face some tradeoffs, and you can't get everything all at once with any one ownership. That can make buying feel impossible, so instead of thinking about all the things you want, instead it is worth thinking about what you are willing to live without.

For example, you want lots of choices of where to stay, you want all of those places to be at Hilton quality, and you want them to be affordable. If you had to give up one of those three, which would it be? That will tell you a lot about what to buy. For example, if you are most willing to give up a huge number of choices, then Hilton could be a good option. If you are wiling to give up always having Hliton-level quality, then one of the mid-tier mini-systems (Wyndham, WorldMark, or Bluegreen) might be a good fit. If you are willing to give up some degree of affordability, then maybe Marriott is the right place to look.
 
OP wants overseas locations in city centers... to my knowledge, no timeshare system has this... overseas timeshares tend to be more out in the countryside, no?
 
OP wants overseas locations in city centers... to my knowledge, no timeshare system has this... overseas timeshares tend to be more out in the countryside, no?
Marriott has Europe, Asia, and Australia in addition to Caribbean and the US. Plus the interval preference and expected common currency joint program with vistana properties.
 
The issue I saw with the Marriott points system is the buy in costs. The fee to convert your week into points was very prohibitive for me. While HGVC has fees as well, they were much lower than. MVC was. HGVC MF’s can be pretty low (I pay ~$1250 for my week including club dues). I looked at a traditional MVC week to trade into II, but the flexibility just wasn’t there. I have been very happy with my resale HGVC purchase. We see more points in our future.
True it’s a higher “buy in” but it’s the only program that really hits most of the points that the OP is looking for. The OP wants more locations (to my knowledge MVC has the most within its points program). The OP needs 12 mo booking since they are tied to school breaks. MVC allows booking 12 mo at all locations without having to wait for a “home” location period to lapse before booking other destinations. While HGVC is a great system, it may not have enough for the OP in terms of destinations. Then add in the RCI catalogue of resorts and it leaves the OP wanting more. HGVC has the best resorts in the RCI program (not including DVC). I’m preferential to Vistana since it has the resorts I like, but MVC clearly hits the points the OP wants as I said earlier. Yes, the buy in is higher, but you get what you pay for.
 
With Marriott, it is not just the buy-in, but the ongoing MFs, which are higher that other systems. The Marriott point system is deliberately skewed to charge more for high demand weeks. See:


Points are currently 60.4 cent per point.
So for President's Day week at Royal Palms: 2725 points X .0604 = $1645.90 for the week. For Maui - 7800 X .604 = $4711.20 (both 2 BDR)
For other spring weeks at Royal Palms: 2450 points, or a 275 point premium (or $166.10 more for Presidents Week)

Top quality resorts, at top prices.

On The Other Hand -

HGVC - Big Island (Bay Club) cost $1608 per week (2 BDR, top floor) high season (Winter and summer), plus an extra fee ($175 if memory serves, to get into the HGV points system. (at this resort, it's optional) Call it $1,800. And that's doing it the expensive way. (But first in line for reservations) You can buy into Vegas fro maybe $1,200 for 7,000 points, and usually be able to book in Hawaii, or elsewhere.

There are a lot of factors to consider. Price is only one. . .
 
The question at some becomes: does a timeshare work best for a given individual at all? To me, the biggest reason to go through all the hullabaloo of timeshare ownership (plunking down cash upfront, paying MF whose costs you can’t control, following all the useage rules/deadlines, limiting yourself to timeshare locations, escalating exchange expenses, resort fees/restrictions on amenities for exchangers by some resorts/systems, not a consistently good exit plan to ownership, etc) is to save significant money over what you’d pay for similar accommodations. This becomes are more difficult benchmark to achieve the more you spend to buy in and use your timeshare. At some point, if you’re considering a $40,000 purchase, you should start running the math as to whether renting makes more sense- renting timeshares or AirBnBs.

Ive found AirBnB costs to frequently be comparable to or lower than timeshare costs. You often have the same unit amenities, guaranteed view, etc. You rarely have resort amrnities- pool, fitness classes, kids club, etc. You have a bit of work to do with AirBnB- researching properties, reading reviews. But then again, successful timeshare ownership can take a lot of work too. It really depends on what an individual values.

Theres an argument to be made for traveling using a mix of AirBnB and timeshare rentals, plus collecting and using hotel loyalty points in a savvy manner. Over timeshare ownership. This coming from the person who owns (sort of) six timeshares in 4 different systems.
 
One advantage to hotel-based timeshares (Holiday Inn Vacation Club, Wyndham, Hilton, Hyatt, etc) is the ability to get hotels for points. Although the conversion is not the best, but at least you can.

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I am looking into time shares. I was going to to buy into HGV. I liked their point system. I do not like to travel to the same place every year and like the options that a point system gives. However, being a teacher, I can only travel during peak season which means some places will be hard to get and require huge points.

Reality check: Your limitation to school holidays is a HUGE deal. With a points system, you will be competing with way more owners looking to book the same few weeks. Other owners with larger accounts will likely be able to work the system to book earlier or shut others out of the booking process. I bought my first account 20 years ago from a colleague who was tied to the school holidays and was upset because he could never get the summer week he wanted. That was before renting became such a big part of timeshare ownership. Competition for weekend stays and holidays weeks were difficult then, but almost impossible now. When I purchased, weekend getaways were a priority until I realized how difficult they were to get.
Don't disregard a fixed week. Buying a fixed week guarantees you the space at the time you want. You can then trade that week via RCI or II (the other large exchange company with generally better quality resorts) when you want something different.
Before buying into any points system, ask specific questions about the ability to book at specific resorts at the times you want. You may find that it is not very realistic or you will have to shift your location to one that doesn't have as high a demand.
 
Reality check: Your limitation to school holidays is a HUGE deal. With a points system, you will be competing with way more owners looking to book the same few weeks. Other owners with larger accounts will likely be able to work the system to book earlier or shut others out of the booking process. I bought my first account 20 years ago from a colleague who was tied to the school holidays and was upset because he could never get the summer week he wanted. That was before renting became such a big part of timeshare ownership. Competition for weekend stays and holidays weeks were difficult then, but almost impossible now. When I purchased, weekend getaways were a priority until I realized how difficult they were to get.
Don't disregard a fixed week. Buying a fixed week guarantees you the space at the time you want. You can then trade that week via RCI or II (the other large exchange company with generally better quality resorts) when you want something different.
Before buying into any points system, ask specific questions about the ability to book at specific resorts at the times you want. You may find that it is not very realistic or you will have to shift your location to one that doesn't have as high a demand.
20 years ago the timeshare game was much different.
 
I am looking into time shares. I was going to to buy into HGV. I liked their point system. I do not like to travel to the same place every year and like the options that a point system gives. However, being a teacher, I can only travel during peak season which means some places will be hard to get and require huge points. I liked that HGV is linked to RCI to give me more options - but i dislike the accommodations with RCI. I wish HGV had more over seas locations in city centers with the same point value as the us locations. I am just trying to do my research before take the leap. Any input would be great.
Due to our family situation (3 little ones), we are now constrained by a school calendar. Honestly, I don't find it terribly difficult to navigate with Hyatt or RCI points, but it does take a bit of planning.

I bought into Hyatt because there are 4 properties in my home state that are between 2 and 4 hours away. I can book time at destinations and then use any leftover points for weekends or short breaks in the school calendar. I think it makes sense to have a "backup" plan that you can book for nearby destinations.

If you like to mostly travel internationally, I don't know that any timeshare system would be a good fit for you. Don't get me wrong I do have some places planned (Spain / France w/ Marriott), but if that is your primary goal, there are pretty limited locations.
 
20 years ago the timeshare game was much different.

We all have different preferences, but I am also deal with school and work schedules on vacation planning. HGVC and RCI Points have worked well with me. Desirable summer vacations have not been overly hard to land, but it takes some planning. In HGVC those who own more points do not have a booking (time) preference over those with a smaller number of points.

In my view HGVC and RCI Points (I cannot speak for II points) and likely MVC points are much more desirable than fixed weeks IF you want to do long weekends (short stays) or week stays not starting on Friday through Sunday. If you mostly want to do full week vacations starting on a Friday through Sunday, then owning weeks (like MVC legacy) may be a better deal for you.
 
We all have different preferences, but I am also deal with school and work schedules on vacation planning. HGVC and RCI Points have worked well with me. Desirable summer vacations have not been overly hard to land, but it takes some planning. In HGVC those who own more points do not have a booking (time) preference over those with a smaller number of points.

In my view HGVC and RCI Points (I cannot speak for II points) and likely MVC points are much more desirable than fixed weeks IF you want to do long weekends (short stays) or week stays not starting on Friday through Sunday. If you mostly want to do full week vacations starting on a Friday through Sunday, then owning weeks (like MVC legacy) may be a better deal for you.
Good point, the only reason why I didn’t recommend RCI points or HGVC for the OP is because they made mention that they did not like the resorts within the RCI system. This is where most would say, Interval has higher quality resorts. Of course cases can be made on both sides. I own in both systems. I only own in RCI for the occasional DVC trade. A legacy MVC may work well for the OP but it’s hit or miss. They don’t like the same locations and it comes down to availability. MVC owners who own points or weeks can weight in and speak to availability a year out with both. They would be able to tell whether or not one is better than the other for getting high demand weeks. MVC has top quality and a variety of locations
 
Good point, the only reason why I didn’t recommend RCI points or HGVC for the OP is because they made mention that they did not like the resorts within the RCI system. This is where most would say, Interval has higher quality resorts. Of course cases can be made on both sides. I own in both systems. I only own in RCI for the occasional DVC trade. A legacy MVC may work well for the OP but it’s hit or miss. They don’t like the same locations and it comes down to availability. MVC owners who own points or weeks can weight in and speak to availability a year out with both. They would be able to tell whether or not one is better than the other for getting high demand weeks. MVC has top quality and a variety of locations

Most HGVC owners don’t really book using RCI (at least here on TUG). Most HGVC resorts are bookable at 9 months. Yes, the SW Florida resorts during platinum seasons, prime ski weeks and desirable weeks in Oahu are hard to get, but the majority of resorts are open at 9 months. Even Hilton Head is open for next June right now.

I know money isn’t everything, but those MVC Destination Club points are very expensive. A minimum fee of $3000 just to enroll those points into the club is very prohibitive. That’s on top of any other fees and the purchase price. HGVC has pretty high fees too, but not even close to what MVC charges. It’s $609 to activate most deeds into the club. HGVC charges a little over $1100 in fees to purchase most deeds resale. Some are cheaper. The SW Florida deeds cost $399 to activate. MarBrisa has an all in transfer fee, including the activation fee, of $999. MVC is over $3300, and that’s a minimum (I could be wrong, but that’s what’s reported in the MVC section). Throw in the differences in MF’s and cost of ownership widens even more.

Funny thing is, you can purchase certain HGVC deeds with II rights. Most of the SW Florida affiliates and Scotland resorts are listed in II and, with an individual membership, you can enroll your week in II. You don’t have the priority that the MVC weeks do, but you still have access.

It all comes down to preference. If you don’t like the HGVC locations, do not buy. HGVC is an extremely flexible system that put almost no restrictions on their resale buyers. As a resale owner, I have the same booking rights and privileges as an owner that bought from the developer. I am treated very well by the resorts, even though they know I’m a resale purchaser.

As far as the OP is concerned, look at any of the systems you are thinking of buying. I’m a teacher as well and am able to book where I want. Yes, some places will be difficult to book, but there are plenty of great places to visit. Even those places can be had if you are persistent in checking the website. Ultimately, you have to do whats best for you. Take time and read the forums. They are a wealth of knowledge. Look at the pictures of the resorts in the forums, they can help you decide. Lastly, spend the $15 and become a TUG member. Get all of those detailed user generated reviews. It really helped me make our decision.
 
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