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CAN JUST breathing the air get you infected with the novel coronavirus? Most worriedly, does the virus linger in the air? These questions are cropping up more often, along with answers that have left many people puzzled and uncertain. Grasping how the virus spreads remains at the heart of all the difficult choices looming in the months ahead: going back to school, sports, restaurants, bars, conferences, concerts, stores and transportation, among other things.

The virus spreads person-to-person in close contact. When people cough, sneeze or shout, they expel the virus in different amounts and sizes. Research shows it is usually carried in small respiratory droplets, say five microns or larger. When inhaled, they can infect anew. These respiratory droplets usually fall to the ground within three to six feet. To mitigate the spread, keeping a distance helps, and face masks can be highly effective, blocking the droplets from being inhaled or exhaled.
It is also evident the virus can be picked up from surfaces, so hand-washing is essential.

For understandable reasons, public anxiety has risen lately about another possibility, that the virus can linger for hours in the air. This suggests that airborne virus particles, very tiny, smaller than five microns, might be exhaled and remain suspended and swirl like dust or pollen. A group of 239 scientists and engineers led by Lidia Morawska and Donald K. Milton recently appealed in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases for more attention to be given to this possibility. The implications could be unsettling and disruptive: Masks might be useless against such small particles; social distancing worthless at six feet; classrooms, stores and officers requiring major new control measures, such as upgraded ventilation.

Some viruses do succeed at lingering in the air — measles can remain contagious in a closed space for two hours. Fortunately, the scientific evidence so far shows the coronavirus does not behave like measles. Michael Klompas and colleagues note in the Journal of the American Medical Association that, before mitigation efforts, the coronavirus reproduction number was estimated to be about 2.5, meaning that each infected person went on to infect an average of two to three others, similar to influenza, and quite different from measles, which has a reproduction number closer to 18.
However, a series of factors can come together that do create super-spreading events in which airborne spread plays a role. These events are often the outcome of a combination of poor ventilation, limited enclosed space, and longer duration and greater intensity of exposure. Recent examples include a choir practice, the tight quarters of a warship, and numerous nightclubs. These bursts may be less frequent than other transmission events, but they pack a punch.

Bottom line: You probably won’t catch the coronavirus from a street breeze. But think twice about what’s under your control. Wear a mask, wash your hands, open the windows, avoid enclosed, crowded spaces, and at least for now, skip the nightclub.
 

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CAN JUST breathing the air get you infected with the novel coronavirus? Most worriedly, does the virus linger in the air? These questions are cropping up more often, along with answers that have left many people puzzled and uncertain. Grasping how the virus spreads remains at the heart of all the difficult choices looming in the months ahead: going back to school, sports, restaurants, bars, conferences, concerts, stores and transportation, among other things.

The virus spreads person-to-person in close contact. When people cough, sneeze or shout, they expel the virus in different amounts and sizes. Research shows it is usually carried in small respiratory droplets, say five microns or larger. When inhaled, they can infect anew. These respiratory droplets usually fall to the ground within three to six feet. To mitigate the spread, keeping a distance helps, and face masks can be highly effective, blocking the droplets from being inhaled or exhaled.
It is also evident the virus can be picked up from surfaces, so hand-washing is essential.

For understandable reasons, public anxiety has risen lately about another possibility, that the virus can linger for hours in the air. This suggests that airborne virus particles, very tiny, smaller than five microns, might be exhaled and remain suspended and swirl like dust or pollen. A group of 239 scientists and engineers led by Lidia Morawska and Donald K. Milton recently appealed in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases for more attention to be given to this possibility. The implications could be unsettling and disruptive: Masks might be useless against such small particles; social distancing worthless at six feet; classrooms, stores and officers requiring major new control measures, such as upgraded ventilation.

Some viruses do succeed at lingering in the air — measles can remain contagious in a closed space for two hours. Fortunately, the scientific evidence so far shows the coronavirus does not behave like measles. Michael Klompas and colleagues note in the Journal of the American Medical Association that, before mitigation efforts, the coronavirus reproduction number was estimated to be about 2.5, meaning that each infected person went on to infect an average of two to three others, similar to influenza, and quite different from measles, which has a reproduction number closer to 18.
However, a series of factors can come together that do create super-spreading events in which airborne spread plays a role. These events are often the outcome of a combination of poor ventilation, limited enclosed space, and longer duration and greater intensity of exposure. Recent examples include a choir practice, the tight quarters of a warship, and numerous nightclubs. These bursts may be less frequent than other transmission events, but they pack a punch.

Bottom line: You probably won’t catch the coronavirus from a street breeze. But think twice about what’s under your control. Wear a mask, wash your hands, open the windows, avoid enclosed, crowded spaces, and at least for now, skip the nightclub.


OK - sounds like sensible advice
 

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Michael Klompas and colleagues note in the Journal of the American Medical Association that, before mitigation efforts, the coronavirus reproduction number was estimated to be about 2.5, meaning that each infected person went on to infect an average of two to three others, similar to influenza, and quite different from measles, which has a reproduction number closer to 18.

Excellent article. One small detail, I have not seen recent studies to support the c19 reproduction around 2.5. At the time the mitigation efforts started, the testing was going up exponentially so part of the infection numbers going up every day was because they were testing a lot more than the previous days. They were also assuming that Covid was a new virus and that the spread started days before. We now know that the virus most likely started in November -December in Wuhan and was brought to other parts of the globe right after that. Many Americans had it without knowing and the spread could have been from those rather than from those that were actually tested.

There are studies as well as anecdotal evidence that not everyone who is in contact with the virus gets infected. Some seem to have immunity from other viruses they may have had in the past. Our prime minister's wife tested positive in March. Nobody else in the family including their 2 kids and the PM got infected. Two infected hairdressers were in contact for up to 45 minutes with 180 customers. None got infected. The news was widely distributed to show why to wear a mask. That may be the case but even if they are efficient, nobody believes they are 100% efficient. Even if they are 50% or 75% efficient or 90%, tens of customers of that saloon should have been infected.
 

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Lingering questions:
  1. How much exposure is required to infect a person with the COVID-19 virus? In other words, how much COVID-19 material does a person have to inhale in order to become infected?
  2. IF COVID-19 can indeed be transmitted via airborne particles/droplets, how long do particles/droplets remain in the air AND how infectious are the particles/droplets?
  3. Building on #2, IF COVID-19 is that infectious AND it takes very little exposure to airborne particles/droplets to become infected with COVID-19, why didn't COVID-19 spread faster?
  4. Where is the science at present on the question of reinfection - does contracting the COVID-19 virus once correlate to resistance/immunity with respect to contracting the COVID-19 virus again?
 

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I have learned that in 2 weeks FL will lead the nation in COVID cases. Will outperform NY State as the US Covid leader! :mad: :doh: o_O:eek:
 

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my Dr. told me that if both (face to face) or all (in a room) people are masked/face covering that rate of transmission of Covid is less than 1%. He would be up on latest studies, etc. He has been a professor at a highly rated medical school and is regularly in touch with a major metro hospital Covid team.
We're 100% masked if not outside if we're with anyone other than our family bubble.
 
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my Dr. told me that if both (face to face) or all (in a room) people are masked/face covering that rate of transmission of Covid is less than 1%. He would be up on latest studies, etc. We're 100% masked if not outside if we're with anyone other than our family bubble.

Do face masks really reduce coronavirus spread? Experts have mixed answers.



The "experts" can't seem to agree.
 

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Common sense people. Common sense. Next time you have surgery do you want the med staff not protecting the OR with no mask or PPE. Every little bit helps especially if you have a N95 mask you protect yourself! Think about it and cut out the lame excuses! Just wear a mask!
 

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Do face masks really reduce coronavirus spread? Experts have mixed answers.



The "experts" can't seem to agree.


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Paper retracted.
See last sentence...
and they still state “suggested” - ARG!!!

At this point anti-maskers are in same bucket as flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, chem-trail believers, Plandemic (bioweapon) hoaxers, etc.

WEAR A FREAKING MASK!
PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING!

With compliance, these simple activities will reduce the viral transmission rate (R) that needs to get below an R=1 to beat this virus.

And, please stop with the “I know one Scientist/Doctor that said...” vs. the 100s that state otherwise, and then normalizing it as a valid argument.


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71c23623c48d0fed8a5567e7c0612397.jpg

Paper retracted.
See last sentence...
and they still state “suggested” - ARG!!!

At this point anti-maskers are in same bucket as flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, chem-trail believers, Plandemic (bioweapon) hoaxers, etc.

WEAR A FREAKING MASK!
PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING!

With compliance, these simple activities will reduce the viral transmission rate (R) that needs to get below an R=1 to beat this virus.

And, please stop with the “I know one Scientist/Doctor that said...” vs. the 100s that state otherwise, and then normalizing it as a valid argument.


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"At this point anti-maskers are in same bucket as flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, chem-trail believers, Plandemic (bioweapon) hoaxers, etc."


yeah, pretty much.
But anti-mask people have their "freedom"
 

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My husband and I just attended a meeting of an organization we belong to for the first time with about 15 people we never met at a restaurant. Only one was masked except when eating. Our waitress was surprisingly not masked either. We sat shoulder to shoulder at the table. Everyone was talking, of course.

I’ll let you know if anything happens to us in a couple of weeks. Hopefully nothing.
 

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My husband and I just attended a meeting of an organization we belong to for the first time with about 15 people we never met at a restaurant. Only one was masked except when eating. Our waitress was surprisingly not masked either. We sat shoulder to shoulder at the table. Everyone was talking, of course.

I’ll let you know if anything happens to us in a couple of weeks. Hopefully nothing.

The good news is that NH R0 is <1, so you're in one of the safest places to be in America right now.
 

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My husband and I just attended a meeting of an organization we belong to for the first time with about 15 people we never met at a restaurant. Only one was masked except when eating. Our waitress was surprisingly not masked either. We sat shoulder to shoulder at the table. Everyone was talking, of course.

I’ll let you know if anything happens to us in a couple of weeks. Hopefully nothing.
I think I would have gotten up and left. Oh wait, I probably wouldn't have gone in the first place.
 

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Face masks are emerging as one of the most powerful weapons to fight the novel coronavirus, with growing evidence that facial coverings help prevent transmission—even if an infected wearer is in close contact with others.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if “we could get everybody to wear a mask right now.” His comments, made Tuesday with the Journal of the American Medical Association, followed an editorial he and others wrote there emphasizing “ample evidence” of asymptomatic spread and highlighting new studies showing how masks help reduce transmission.

The research Dr. Redfield cited included a newly published study suggesting that universal use of surgical masks helped reduce rates of confirmed Covid-19 infections among health-care workers at the Mass General Brigham health-care system in Massachusetts.

*Researchers found that, of the masks they studied, a stitched, double-layered cotton mask was most effective in preventing droplets from being emitted forward. Most of the escape was from the gap between the nose and mask. Droplets traveled further out of the cone mask and also escaped from the top edge.

His comments are the clearest message yet from the CDC, amid fierce debate over facial coverings, fueled initially by shifting messages from federal and global officials about their necessity and then by those espousing individual liberties.

Researchers from around the world have found wearing even a basic cloth face covering is more effective in reducing the spread of Covid-19 than wearing nothing at all. And many are now examining the possibility that masks might offer some personal protection from the virus, despite initial thinking that they mostly protect others.

Experts caution that widespread masking doesn’t eliminate the need to follow other recommendations, like frequent handwashing and social distancing.
In the absence of widespread availability of N95 masks—considered among the most effectivebut typically reserved for health-care workers—transmission can still be reduced with simple and affordable face coverings, the research shows. In a study published last month in the journal Physics of Fluids, researchers at Florida Atlantic University found that, of the readily accessible facial coverings they studied, a well-fitted homemade stitched mask comprising two layers of cotton quilting fabric was most effective for reducing the forward spread of droplets. The research was conducted using a mannequin’s head, an air compressor and a smoke generator that mechanically simulated a cough.

The study found that aerosol-size droplets expelled from the mannequin with the double-layered cotton mask traveled forward about 2.5 inches on average, and that most of the leakage escaped from gaps between the nose and face. Loosely fitting facial coverings, including a folded cotton handkerchief with ear loops, as well as a bandanna were less helpful, the study found. With those masks, droplets traveled on average about 1.25 and 3.5 feet, respectively. In contrast, the study found droplets traveled about 8 inches on average with an off-the-shelf cone-shaped mask.

Meanwhile, droplets from an uncovered cough traveled around 8 feet on average, though the study found that they could travel up to 12 feet—double the currently recommended social-distancing guideline of 6 feet. Leakage from a common disposable surgical mask wasn’t studied, though two of the study’s authors, Siddhartha Verma and Manhar Dhanak, said they are working on it.

“It was surprising in a good way to see that a homemade mask could do so well…that we don’t have to get a very fancy mask,” Dr. Verma said. “A cotton mask can be washed at home and dried. Reusability is becoming important as we go into this for the long haul.”

They are also in the process of putting a laboratory apparatus together to test how much protection various masks might offer to the person wearing them.
The amount of virus exposure might influence degree of sickness, according to a review of viral literature and Covid-19 epidemiology by Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. She and her co-authors posit in the research, expected to be published this month in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, that masks provide an important barrier and could lead to a milder infection or even prevent one altogether. While cloth and surgical masks can widely vary, she believes some masks can likely filter out a majority of large viral droplets.

Amy Price, a senior research scientist at Stanford’s Anesthesia Informatics and Media Lab, maintains, in contrast, that the primary benefit of wearing a mask is to protect others and reduce Covid-19 transmission. She believes that, excluding N95 masks, multilayered masks with a slightly waterproof outer layer best minimize spread. She said rubbing the outer layer of the mask with a latex glove before donning it creates static electricity—which Stanford researchers believe can better
Face masks are emerging as one of the most powerful weapons to fight the novel coronavirus, with growing evidence that facial coverings help prevent transmission—even if an infected wearer is in close contact with others.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if “we could get everybody to wear a mask right now.” His comments, made Tuesday with the Journal of the American Medical Association, followed an editorial he and others wrote there emphasizing “ample evidence” of asymptomatic spread and highlighting new studies showing how masks help reduce transmission.

The research Dr. Redfield cited included a newly published study suggesting that universal use of surgical masks helped reduce rates of confirmed Covid-19 infections among health-care workers at the Mass General Brigham health-care system in Massachusetts.

*Researchers found that, of the masks they studied, a stitched, double-layered cotton mask was most effective in preventing droplets from being emitted forward. Most of the escape was from the gap between the nose and mask. Droplets traveled further out of the cone mask and also escaped from the top edge.

His comments are the clearest message yet from the CDC, amid fierce debate over facial coverings, fueled initially by shifting messages from federal and global officials about their necessity and then by those espousing individual liberties.

Researchers from around the world have found wearing even a basic cloth face covering is more effective in reducing the spread of Covid-19 than wearing nothing at all. And many are now examining the possibility that masks might offer some personal protection from the virus, despite initial thinking that they mostly protect others.

Experts caution that widespread masking doesn’t eliminate the need to follow other recommendations, like frequent handwashing and social distancing.
In the absence of widespread availability of N95 masks—considered among the most effectivebut typically reserved for health-care workers—transmission can still be reduced with simple and affordable face coverings, the research shows. In a study published last month in the journal Physics of Fluids, researchers at Florida Atlantic University found that, of the readily accessible facial coverings they studied, a well-fitted homemade stitched mask comprising two layers of cotton quilting fabric was most effective for reducing the forward spread of droplets. The research was conducted using a mannequin’s head, an air compressor and a smoke generator that mechanically simulated a cough.

The study found that aerosol-size droplets expelled from the mannequin with the double-layered cotton mask traveled forward about 2.5 inches on average, and that most of the leakage escaped from gaps between the nose and face. Loosely fitting facial coverings, including a folded cotton handkerchief with ear loops, as well as a bandanna were less helpful, the study found. With those masks, droplets traveled on average about 1.25 and 3.5 feet, respectively. In contrast, the study found droplets traveled about 8 inches on average with an off-the-shelf cone-shaped mask.

Meanwhile, droplets from an uncovered cough traveled around 8 feet on average, though the study found that they could travel up to 12 feet—double the currently recommended social-distancing guideline of 6 feet. Leakage from a common disposable surgical mask wasn’t studied, though two of the study’s authors, Siddhartha Verma and Manhar Dhanak, said they are working on it........click above to read more.
 

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I think I would have gotten up and left. Oh wait, I probably wouldn't have gone in the first place.

Luanne- I know for sure you would not have gone to this meeting in the first place if you knew what the organization was. Lol!
 

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Luanne- I know for sure you would not have gone to this meeting in the first place if you knew what the organization was. Lol!
Doesn't matter who the organization was. You lost me at "15 people" and "a restaurant".
 

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