What resort system!

[raygo123]

Is better than Wyndham and which is worse
Consider price quality of product locations

Was going to say sales and marketing but why!

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[alexadeparis]

In My Opinion, overall based on your criteria, in order:

Better:
Hyatt
Starwood
Marriott
Hilton
Disney
Mayan
Welk

Equal / Related: Shell, Worldmark

Worse:
Bluegreen
Silverleaf
DRI
Holiday Inn
Royal
Any others I can't think of right now

 

[scootr5]

In My Opinion, overall based on your criteria, in order:

Better:
Hyatt
Starwood
Marriott
Hilton
Disney
Mayan
Welk

Equal / Related: Shell, Worldmark

Worse:
Bluegreen
Silverleaf
DRI
Holiday Inn
Royal
Any others I can't think of right now

I'm not sure I'd put Disney ahead. For the most part the rooms are smaller than other timeshares, and locations are very limited (unless your goal is to go to Disney almost of the time, for which the convenience is great).

Starwood is definitely much better in quality, but once again lacking in locations (although they are moving to add more).

 

[JimMIA]

I'm not sure I'd put Disney ahead. For the most part the rooms are smaller than other timeshares, and locations are very limited

Only 13 resorts, 9 of which are onsite at Walt Disney World. Great for WDW, but extremely limited elsewhere.

So if the question is about resort systems, I would rate DVC below Wyndham overall simply because it's almost not a "system."

 

[ronparise]

There are several criteria Id use to compare systems.. on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the best) heres the marks I give Wyndham

number of locations (ie dots on the map) 10
unique locations (10)
maintenance fees, and other fees (8)
ease of use (10)
flexibility (short stays and cancelation policy, borrowing and banking for example) (10)
exit strategy (10)
quality (8)
cost of entry (10)

Im not sure how other systems compare but I give wyndham high marks on all the things that are important to me. I cant imagine any other system doing as well



But thats not why I first bought Wyndham. I bought because Wyndham has lots of locations near my home, and its the only sysyem with resorts near Washington DC. I continue to buy because its the only system with locations (other than Bluegreen) with locations in New Orleans

I think rather than comparing systems the op ought to reduce the number od systems on his short list to just those that have locations where he expects to visit frequently... then score each system on his short list using his own criteria

 

[Ty1on]

Only 13 resorts, 9 of which are onsite at Walt Disney World. Great for WDW, but extremely limited elsewhere.

So if the question is about resort systems, I would rate DVC below Wyndham overall simply because it's almost not a "system."

Welk is very limited, as well.

 

[presley]

Consider price quality of product locations

Since people are naming systems that are much more expensive than Wyndham, I don't think I understand the question. I was going to say Worldmark is better in terms of pricing and locations and that HGVC and Shell are worse. However, I am reading the question as asking about overall costs and # of locations.

 

[raygo123]

That's fine. Call them as u see them. It is a system into itself, even though the association with Wyndham. Also it loosely efgectsbhow u feel about Wyndham since you feel that way. Point being is when one trades through RCI. In general what to expect. Would love to do an analysis location by location, but would take forever

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[DeniseM]

Would love to do an analysis location by location, but would take forever

Actually - it would never end, because the big resort systems keep changing their rules...

 

[raygo123]

We have not used RCI much, unless it is with our Vida resort. Last time we did was a few years back. We have a myan palace in Acapulco. Then it commanded 21 RCI points. As u day with the changes, at Wyndham, u han seach and book without a deposit. Hence the desire for info.

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[csxjohn]

A couple years ago I was considering a points system. I started watching the Wyndham threads and the more I learned the less I knew.

Then last year I exchanged into a Bluegreen resort and really liked it so I started studying it and liked what I saw. I ended up buying through eBay last month.

I'm now reducing my current inventory and plan to buy more Bluegreen. Very easy to use, locations that I like, and they don't nickel and dime you to death.

I am not familiar at all with the others mentioned.

 

[Joe33426]

But thats not why I first bought Wyndham. I bought because Wyndham has lots of locations near my home, and its the only sysyem with resorts near Washington DC. I continue to buy because its the only system with locations (other than Bluegreen) with locations in New Orleans

I agree with Ron, I bought Wyndham because of the locations. I considered Bluegreen and HGVC, but those systems just didn't have enough locations where we wanted to vacation. In particular, we really like Old Town Alexandria and La Belle Maison.

And, with RCI and II, we can trade into the other systems for locations without a Wyndham resort or for locations where the Wyndham isn't particularly well located. For example, we stayed at HGVC at the Flamingo rather than Grand Desert.

The thing that I like about the other systems that I wish Wyndham had is open season or bonus time for cash. I was ready to pull the trigger on a HGVC purchase, but the recent increase in open season rates had me reconsider. I was also thinking of a Bluegreen purchase, but I find the MFs high for Ultra Red Season reservations.

 

[raygo123]

Wyndham seems to be a "legacy" system. In other words all of the resorts when started, for a 2 bdrm is 154000 points and has not changed. Newer locations may vary from this. I have noticed this is not true for some others.
The next question would be how does this affect RCI and
II trades we make

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[vacationhopeful]

Making general statements about WHAT Wyndham is will generally be wrong.

The new resorts reflect "point inflation" creep ... yes, it costs MORE points for the size of the unit at newer resorts than the OLDER resorts. You will find that ALMOST never HAS Wyndham changed the number of points needed to book an unit ... esp UDI deeded points ONCE published. UDI deeded points are mentioned on the DEED you hold for CWP. But they COULD .... only converted fixed week owners would have their point values FROZEN for when they "claim" usage of their underlying week or their point value WOULD have to increase (trading in their fixed week to CWP gets them the current value in points).

CWA is a CLUB membership - not deeded to ANY resort; CWA's (the entity) ownership is a combination of CWP Deeds and fixed weeks (representing the CWP points for those resorts). The membership certificate YOU GET as an CWA Owner - shows what you own ... not a deed and nothing deeded to a physical location ... you own CWA points ... not CWP points which are described as a percentage of the points total at a certain resort.

Yes, CURRENTLY, CWA and CWP use the SAME points charts ... but could VERY well NOT in the future ... (I hate giving Wyndham ideas as to how to GET MORE skin .... (more money)).

 

[raygo123]

That was never the intent. I assumed that's what legacy meant. I have a deeded, converted to points week I bought resale back in 1990 at lake lure NC. It is Fox Run, and when they broke from Wyndham, I decided I wanted to stay with Wyndham. Now I bought into CWA, and now have to rethink how to use them and my relationship to other systems. Now that u can seach and confirm with out depositing. O used my Vida, haven't for a couple years and a 1 bedroom was worth 21 as a trading value,
While my Wyndham was worth 17. Trading value is what I'm after. Do I search for a blue green, or a Hilton? If trade value is close to the same value?


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[ronparise]

That was never the intent. I assumed that's what legacy meant. I have a deeded, converted to points week I bought resale back in 1990 at lake lure NC. It is Fox Run, and when they broke from Wyndham, I decided I wanted to stay with Wyndham. Now I bought into CWA, and now have to rethink how to use them and my relationship to other systems. Now that u can seach and confirm with out depositing. O used my Vida, haven't for a couple years and a 1 bedroom was worth 21 as a trading value,
While my Wyndham was worth 17. Trading value is what I'm after. Do I search for a blue green, or a Hilton? If trade value is close to the same value?


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It seems that your concern isnt really to compare one system to another, regarding price and quality as first stated in your original post, but rather to ask which system gives the better trades in RCI

I would suggest that the reason to buy one system or another isnt so you can trade out of it, its so you can use it

Having said that: The 154000 points for a legacy 2 bedroom or the 700000 points it takes for a week in a 2 bedroom in Manhattan, is of no concern if you are trading your points through RCI, whats important is this


Demand Studio 1 Bedroom 2 Bedroom 3 Bedroom or More
Prime 90,000 126,000 205,000 300,000
High 77,000 105,000 165,000 232,000
Value 52,000 77,000 126,000 159,000
Quiet 35,000 63,000 77,000 112,000


what this is telling you is that 205000 wyndham points ought to be good for any 2 bedroom in red season that RCI has, which means that there will be some RCI resorts that are good deals when exchanging with wyndham points and some not so good, for example you could use your wyndham points to exchange for a Manhattan Club condo and do much better than using your points to stay in Wyndhams own Manhattan property

I suspect other systems work pretty much the same way, but trying to figure out which one works best with the resorts you want to exchange into is anyones guess. At least Im not going to try and figure it out for you

 

[presley]

Trading value is what I'm after. Do I search for a blue green, or a Hilton? If trade value is close to the same value?

Hilton and Worldmark have their own trading scales in RCI and it doesn't matter which resort or season. The very off times or off resorts can be less expensive trades point wise, but for simplicity, I just look at the highest demand resorts and seasons since those are the ones I stay at.

HGVC: 3400 for any one bedroom, high season
4800 for any 2 bedroom, high season

WorldMark: 9000 credits for any one bedroom, high season
10,000 credits for any 2 bedroom, high season

They both have very high trading value in RCI. The buy in and annual costs are much lower with Worldmark than with Hilton. I have no idea how they compare to Wyndham. Hilton give you access to both RCI weeks and RCI points inventory. Resale Worldmark limits you to RCI weeks inventory.

Worldmark has reduced rates for RCI trades at 45 days or less to check in. Any unit is 4000 credits. Hilton doesn't have reduced rates.

 

[weems637]

We own both HGVC and Wyndham, for different reasons. Started out with Hilton because of the name and the quality of the product. Later invested in Wyndham for location, as RCI did not work for us after several years of attempts for locations for an exchange.

To us, Wyndham ' s resorts do not match up to Hilton, but their variety of locations make up for it. I should note that a considerable number of Hilton ' s affiliated reports are not up to park to their prime resorts.

To each his own. We're happy! Especially with the resale portion of our holdings.

 

[vacationhopeful]

If using RCI, get a lockoff ... deposit each side to RCI for MAX TPUs and then pay to combine the TPUs.

I have lockoffs which give me a total of 60 TPUs per year for each week OR I can deposit the SAME unit to II and get either a 1bdr & ST or only a 2/2.

Or I can following even MORE depositing & usage rules with OTHER TPI, VRI, DAE, etc.

It is a crap shoot as to which and when any and ALL of the above CHANGES again.

Buy to use - trade when life forces a change - buy cheap enough to giveaway as people will take a GOOD week free and leave the crap in your hands.

 

[raygo123]

That was the initial reason for the Vida purchase. Was going to need kidney transplant and in Mexico, u only pay if u use it. Did not want to stock wife with mf. Now that's out of the way, we bought into Wyndham cwa. Took back Wyndham resale from daughter so have that as well

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[silentg]

Ok, here I go,
I don't own any of the so called Best Timeshares! This is a snotty evaluation IMHO.
I own 6 very different resorts in various places, all for different reasons. Most of these I purchased or aquired thru TUG members, I have exchanged my "worst"timeshares into some "Best"timeshares and enjoyed my stays. I take exception to Holiday Inn being on the worst list. They have very beautiful resorts, I have not been to all of them but the ones I have been are wonderful.
I don't ride a high horse, am a very seasoned traveler, can go with the flow, why do you have to rate timeshares this way? Be a bit more open minded. If you go to the mountains expect a rustic retreat, if you go to the beach, get sand on your feet, family vacations can be fun, even if not a five star resort. I am pleased with my timeshares and glad you have your favorites. but don't knock places that other may enjoy. I submit reviews on everywhere I go. Always look at the bright side, but will also tell the truth.
Safe Travels!
SilentG

 

[bnoble]

For me, Wyndham vs. WorldMark comes down to which side of the country you live on. East of the Mississippi, Wyndham generally has better options. West, WorldMark. WVO is cheaper to buy but more expensive to own than WM. WVO's resorts tend to be a little nicer on average, but are comparable. Wyn/WM seems to occupy the middle ground on cost/quality vs. other systems.

HGVC is a great system if you like their focus on Florida, Hawaii, Vegas, etc. Not as diverse as the prior two, but the resorts are generally much nicer. Same with Starwood. Both will be more expensive than Wyn/WM.

Marriott is more diverse in terms of locations, has excellent resorts, but I get the sense will cost you even more than Hilton/Starwood---partly because the resale market for the points product is still quite new, and partly because Marriott requires you to pay a hefty fee on a resale to "re-enroll."

Diamond has a bazillion locations, and generally has a reasonable standard of quality for its resorts. However, it requires a developer purchase to re-enroll resale points into the club. They are not in the Hilton/Stardwood/Marriott category in terms of quality of resort, might even be a step down from WVO, but will cost you name-brand money (or more). To me, this makes them a non-starter.

Bluegreen to me is limited in locations of interest *and* has resorts that are a step down in quality. But, if their locations work for you, could be a great deal.

 

[Ty1on]

That was the initial reason for the Vida purchase. Was going to need kidney transplant and in Mexico, u only pay if u use it. Did not want to stock wife with mf. Now that's out of the way, we bought into Wyndham cwa. Took back Wyndham resale from daughter so have that as well

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"Only pay if you use it" depends on the resort/system and how old your contract is, doesn't it?

 

[raygo123]

It was around 2004 when I purchased it and got a 3 for 2 deal. When we bought they gave 1 bonus good for 10 years and two weeks as the standard package. At that time the government law was so. Don't know today. I just assumed that's why Wyndham never built there.

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