Thanks Philemer for your response.
I still would like some guidelines. I know you start from where they ask and negotiate down but how far down? I don’t want to be insulting on the other hand; I don’t want to pay more than I should. This is why I hate shopping for a car. What I think might be a good deal someone more knowledgeable gets it for hundreds or thousands less.
Again, I want to be fair, just don’t want to be taken advantage of either.