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There are active threads in the Vistana forum and concerns about how Marriott is hurting the Vistana program. I have not heard much, if anything, about what Marriott owners think about Abound.

A few questions:

1) For points owners and enrolled weeks owners, are you excited to be able to book the new Vistana properties? Which Westin/Sheraton resorts in particular are you most interested in?

2) What do you think of the points values for new Westin/Sheraton properties? The new points charts are loaded for 2023 under Helpful Tools on the MVC website.

3) Any concerns that it will be harder to book the already hard-to-get Marriott resorts inventory with more competition from the Vistana folks for the top locations?

4) For MVC weeks owners, any fears that you will not be able to book your home resorts due to more competition from Vistana folks? If not, what reassurance can you give the Vistana folks?

5) Any resentment that Vistana owners will get immediate access to Marriott inventory but it might not be reciprocal for Marriott people to access Vistana inventory since Vistana inventory will be limited (at least in the beginning)?

6) What do post-2010 resale weeks owners think about Vistana mandatory resale owners (pre-8/9/2022) getting free enrollment into Abound?
 
There are active threads in the Vistana forum and concerns about how Marriott is hurting the Vistana program. I have not heard much, if anything, about what Marriott owners think about Abound.

A few questions:

1) For points owners and enrolled weeks owners, are you excited to be able to book the new Vistana properties? Which Westin/Sheraton resorts in particular are you most interested in?

2) What do you think of the points values for new Westin/Sheraton properties? The new points charts are loaded for 2023 under Helpful Tools on the MVC website. The only issue is dealing with vistana network and everything that comes along with the type of ownerships vistana has.

3) Any concerns that it will be harder to book the already hard-to-get Marriott resorts inventory with more competition from the Vistana folks for the top locations?

4) For MVC weeks owners, any fears that you will not be able to book your home resorts due to more competition from Vistana folks? If not, what reassurance can you give the Vistana folks?

5) Any resentment that Vistana owners will get immediate access to Marriott inventory but it might not be reciprocal for Marriott people to access Vistana inventory since Vistana inventory will be limited (at least in the beginning)?

6) What do post-2010 resale weeks owners think about Vistana mandatory resale owners (pre-8/9/2022) getting free enrollment into Abound?
technically aren’t we all Marriott owners now? Or will we still be divided into vistana and Marriott people?

Number 5, of course Marriott owners will have resentment….remember Marriott bought ILG, so naturally everything should come to the Marriott owner gratis.

number 6. I’m not so sure we can compare these two. Remember vistana had a points based program with contractual obligations. Marriott only had deeded weeks ownership prior to rolling out their points program. Owners do not know the legalities or reasons why they are doing what they are doing now.
 
technically aren’t we all Marriott owners now? Or will we still be divided into vistana and Marriott people?
I think legally they are still separate companies, just that both are subsidiaries of the larger MVW. They both still have distinctive underlying products in that Marriott has deeded weeks and Vistana has VSN. I wonder if something needs changed in the forums nest year given that there is a combined Abound program and separate Marriott and Vistana weeks based products. I know this question wasn't asked, but I don't think we want to dump them all into a single forum, but we are starting to see a lot of stuff posted to the wrong forum already.
 
I think I’m tired of hearing about the labor pains and want to see the baby.

I’m so worn out over the speculation and what the latest released tid-bit means for owners, or what some sales person told someone on an owner update, that my heads about ready to explode.

In the end nothing really matters. It’s going to be what it’s going to be and we can’t really begin to digest the program or dissect the nuances until we actually see it and can take it out for a test drive
 
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technically aren’t we all Marriott owners now? Or will we still be divided into vistana and Marriott people?

Number 5, of course Marriott owners will have resentment….remember Marriott bought ILG, so naturally everything should come to the Marriott owner gratis.

number 6. I’m not so sure we can compare these two. Remember vistana had a points based program with contractual obligations. Marriott only had deeded weeks ownership prior to rolling out their points program. Owners do not know the legalities or reasons why they are doing what they are doing now.

I am interested in what pre-Abound Marriott weeks and points owners think of the Abound program that is launching later this year.

You are a Vistana person from what I can see that is being brought into the Abound program. Unless I am wrong, you do not own any Marriott weeks or trust points? If so, then your comments are from the POV of a Vistana owner and what the folks over on the Vistana threads are debating. Not to exclude you here but really want to hear the voice of non-Vistana people.

I do not think anyone can say we are all “Marriott” people after Abound launches. There will still be various buckets of people in Abound with all different privileges after Abound launches. There will still be: Pre-2010 enrolled Marriott weeks owners, Post-2010 unenrolled Marriott weeks owners, Trust Point owners, Vistana developer purchased weeks and flex points, Vistana retroed weeks, Vistana enrolled mandatory weeks owners, Vistana unenrolled voluntary weeks owners, Vistana post-8/9 mandatory weeks owners, and probably some other buckets I have missed.

This is why I am asking the Marriott side what they think since I have not heard their voices. This thread might be more insightful if the Marriott owners with no Vistana ownerships share what they know and what they like and do not like.
 
I'm fairly new but 3) does worry me a bit. The footprint of Marriot is much larger and there are quite a few overlap between the programs. Hopefully the Mexico properties can draw existing Marriott owners to balance things out as Marriott had no footprint there before.
 
1) For points owners and enrolled weeks owners, are you excited to be able to book the new Vistana properties? Which Westin/Sheraton resorts in particular are you most interested in?
Excited is probably too strong a word. I am interested in a few. About the only one that really fills a gap for us is the Westin Los Cabos. I could see trying to book that if any availability makes its way into Abound. Sheraton PGA might be a fun place for golf for a few days added onto MVC Ocean Pointe. I could also see booking one of the nice studios at WKORV as a second week added onto a first week at Maui Ocean Club, but I prefer the better location of MOC on the south section of Kaanapali to the WKORV location on North Kaanapali.

2) What do you think of the points values for new Westin/Sheraton properties? The new points charts are loaded for 2023 under Helpful Tools on the MVC website.
I haven't looked at comparisons in detail, but from a cursory inspection they seem to fit nicely in the same basic structure we've become accustomed to over the years in the Destination Club. I did note that the WKORV seems to cost more points compared to MOC Lahaina/Napili, but maybe that's justified since Westin tends to be positioned slightly above Marriott in the hotel brand structure and due to the better studio portion of the 2BR units at Westin compared to MVC.

3) Any concerns that it will be harder to book the already hard-to-get Marriott resorts inventory with more competition from the Vistana folks for the top locations?
Yes somewhat, but it depends on so many variables, it's hard to say how much it will really impact availability. For every Vistana owner coming to book at MVC, that opens up availability in Abound to book Westin/Sheraton, but if all those VSN Abound deposits come in from Orlando and they want to book Aruba, that could make somewhere like Aruba harder to book. If Mexico or St John owners elect for Abound points, that might draw more MVC toward Westins in Mexico and free up competition for MVC in Hawaii or the Caribbean. Our main use of MVC is for Hawaii though, and since VSN is potentially bringing in so much new Hawaii inventory, I'm not all that concerned about the impact on the place we go the most, Maui.

4) For MVC weeks owners, any fears that you will not be able to book your home resorts due to more competition from Vistana folks? If not, what reassurance can you give the Vistana folks?
None whatsoever. Marriott keeps weeks inventory totally separate from DC/Abound, so as long as I'm online when the inventory is released at 13/12 months, I feel confident we will continue to be able to book our ownership at Maui Ocean Club and Waiohai sometime in January, February, or March.

5) Any resentment that Vistana owners will get immediate access to Marriott inventory but it might not be reciprocal for Marriott people to access Vistana inventory since Vistana inventory will be limited (at least in the beginning)?
Nope. That's the way it has to work. For every Vistana owner coming to book at MVC, that opens up availability in Abound to book at Westin/Sheraton. I welcome the new VSN owners to the family and hope they enjoy sampling MVC resorts.

6) What do post-2010 resale weeks owners think about Vistana mandatory resale owners (pre-8/9/2022) getting free enrollment into Abound?
It's comparing apples and oranges. Post-6/2010 MVC resale weeks owners are comparable to post-8/2022 Vistana mandatory resale owners, not pre-8/2022. Neither post-6/2020 MVC resale or post-8/2022 VSN resale get Abound access. I suspect both groups will continue to be offered ways to enroll by spending north of $30K.
 
It's comparing apples and oranges. Post-6/2010 MVC resale weeks owners are comparable to post-8/2022 Vistana mandatory resale owners, not pre-8/2022. Neither post-6/2020 MVC resale or post-8/2022 VSN resale get Abound access. I suspect both groups will continue to be offered ways to enroll by spending north of $30K.

I understand what you are saying. However, I sort of think it was unfair to give any resales owners free enrollment in Abound. The precedent right now is that no resale owners get free enrollment and all resale owners (except us lucky ones who are getting in for free) must spend a lot of $$$ to enroll a week.

BTW, I was ready to buy a week in Spain to enroll my WKOVRN week. Luckily Marriott would not provide an addendum so I rescinded. Now I know why they would not provide the addendum.

Thank you Marriott for the free gift! :)
 
I understand what you are saying. However, I sort of think it was unfair to give any resales owners free enrollment in Abound. The precedent right now is that no resale owners get free enrollment and all resale owners (except us lucky ones who are getting in for free) must spend a lot of $$$ to enroll a week.

BTW, I was ready to buy a week in Spain to enroll my WKOVRN week. Luckily Marriott would not provide an addendum so I rescinded. Now I know why they would not provide the addendum.

Thank you Marriott for the free gift! :)

But pre-2010 resale owners in MVC now get free enrollment as well. All you have to do I believe is watch a video and sign an enrollment agreement. Back in 2010, they did charge an enrollment fee for both developer-purchased and pre-2010 resales (with resale paying a bit higher fee), but those fees were modest, and they have since decided to change strategy and make enrollment free for everyone. If anything, it's the pre-8/2022 Vistana voluntary resales that are being treated differently, in that they are being kept out of Abound entirely, even though they are pre-8/2022. Obviously, the voluntary/mandatory distinction was not something MVC had to deal with in 2010, but do today, and that's how they decided to handle it. SInce resale voluntary didn't have VSN access, I guess it's a defensible decision on their part, but that is actually the biggest difference from 2010 - i.e. - not all pre-8/2022 resales are being grandfathered into Abound.
 
I am interested in what pre-Abound Marriott weeks and points owners think of the Abound program that is launching later this year.

You are a Vistana person from what I can see that is being brought into the Abound program. Unless I am wrong, you do not own any Marriott weeks or trust points? If so, then your comments are from the POV of a Vistana owner and what the folks over on the Vistana threads are debating. Not to exclude you here but really want to hear the voice of non-Vistana people.

I do not think anyone can say we are all “Marriott” people after Abound launches. There will still be various buckets of people in Abound with all different privileges after Abound launches. There will still be: Pre-2010 enrolled Marriott weeks owners, Post-2010 unenrolled Marriott weeks owners, Trust Point owners, Vistana developer purchased weeks and flex points, Vistana retroed weeks, Vistana enrolled mandatory weeks owners, Vistana unenrolled voluntary weeks owners, Vistana post-8/9 mandatory weeks owners, and probably some other buckets I have missed.

This is why I am asking the Marriott side what they think since I have not heard their voices. This thread might be more insightful if the Marriott owners with no Vistana ownerships share what they know and what they like and do not like.
Marriott people should really stop being segregationists. It’s a systemic problem
 
I understand what you are saying. However, I sort of think it was unfair to give any resales owners free enrollment in Abound. The precedent right now is that no resale owners get free enrollment and all resale owners (except us lucky ones who are getting in for free) must spend a lot of $$$ to enroll a week.

BTW, I was ready to buy a week in Spain to enroll my WKOVRN week. Luckily Marriott would not provide an addendum so I rescinded. Now I know why they would not provide the addendum.

Thank you Marriott for the free gift! :)
I get it I get it I’m a vistana owner not allowed to post in the Marriott forum….. however, I’ve never seen a vistana owner telling a Marriott owner not to post in the vistana forum…. Just sayin…..although, technically I’m now a Marriott owner. My ownership confirmations come from Marriott vacation club…. So here We are!

onto my comments. Your post here is contradictory. First you say no resale owner should be granted free enrollment but then you’re thanking Marriott for the free gift.

you should in good faith buy than week in Spain lol. Marriott needs your money haha
 
I get it I get it I’m a vistana owner not allowed to post in the Marriott forum….. however, I’ve never seen a vistana owner telling a Marriott owner not to post in the vistana forum…. Just sayin…..although, technically I’m now a Marriott owner. My ownership confirmations come from Marriott vacation club…. So here We are!

onto my comments. Your post here is contradictory. First you say no resale owner should be granted free enrollment but then you’re thanking Marriott for the free gift.

you should in good faith buy than week in Spain lol. Marriott needs your money haha

Yes my opinion is contradictory in that I do not understand why Marriott gave free enrollment to mandatory resale owners at all. OTOH, I am grateful they gave it to those of us who met the arbitrary criteria. Like I said once, I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. If someone gives you something for free, even if it makes no sense, I just say thank you.

I am not trying to exclude Vistana owners on any other Marriott threads. I am just saying I would like to hear the voices of non-Vistana owners here. Otherwise it will get cluttered with the opinions of Vistana-only owners who have been quite vocal in many other threads. Many Vistana owners have repeated themselves hundreds of times by now LOL.

In terms of being segregationalist, it is a fact that people all have different ownerships with different benefits, rules and ways to participate in Abound.
 
Yes my opinion is contradictory in that I do not understand why Marriott gave free enrollment to mandatory resale owners at all. OTOH, I am grateful they gave it to those of us who met the arbitrary criteria. Like I said once, I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. If someone gives you something for free, even if it makes no sense, I just say thank you.

I am not trying to exclude Vistana owners on any other Marriott threads. I am just saying I would like to hear the voices of non-Vistana owners here. Otherwise it will get cluttered with the opinions of Vistana-only owners who have been quite vocal in many other threads. Many Vistana owners have repeated themselves hundreds of times by now LOL.

In terms of being segregationalist, it is a fact that people all have different ownerships with different benefits, rules and ways to participate in Abound.
Nothing really changes for the legacy Marriott owner. Maybe the ability to book Westin/Sheraton properties and soon to be Harborside at Atlantis. A resort that many Marriott owners who frequent the Caribbean have always wanted to get into. I see this is as a good thing for Marriott owners.

if what Jim said is correct and pre 2010 owners can enroll without a fee, I’m not sure why there is such hate for the mandatory owner. Seems like it’s a good thing for all
 
Nothing really changes for the legacy Marriott owner. Maybe the ability to book Westin/Sheraton properties and soon to be Harborside at Atlantis. A resort that many Marriott owners who frequent the Caribbean have always wanted to get into. I see this is as a good thing for Marriott owners.

if what Jim said is correct and pre 2010 owners can enroll without a fee, I’m not sure why there is such hate for the mandatory owner. Seems like it’s a good thing for all

Who says there is hate for the mandatory owner? That is exactly why I started this thread…to hear from non-Vistana owners.
 
My concerns are along the lines of whether the addition improves the inventory for access by "all" MVC participants; and, whether our access to the better properties will be even more restricted.

I'm not happy with the sold out signs in making reservations for the better Marriott properties - keep in mind we are 12 years into the point-based program. It's like the old commercial about "show me the beef" with respect to the incoming inventory. Is the incoming inventory an upgrade or a downgrade in the quality of the eventual total available inventory?

Are we talking too much about the "mechanics" and missing "the potential and changing outcomes for our timeshare interests?" Remember the devaluation of our Bonvoy points?
 
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Nothing really changes for the legacy Marriott owner. Maybe the ability to book Westin/Sheraton properties and soon to be Harborside at Atlantis. A resort that many Marriott owners who frequent the Caribbean have always wanted to get into. I see this is as a good thing for Marriott owners.

I think this is absolutely why there has been so much less discussion and noise on this Marriott Board than what is going on over on the Vistana Board. Nothing is really changing for us except for the addition of the Westin/Sheraton properties, plus the potential competition for reservations that might come from VSN owners who elect into Abound. Right now that competition is only theoretical and will depend on how things actually play out, so I think a lot of us are in wait and see mode.
 
Who says there is hate for the mandatory owner? That is exactly why I started this thread…to hear from non-Vistana owners.
You won't hear anything because it is not worth the energy. We did all our bitching 12-14 years ago when there were endless threads on the change, the skim, the enrollment fee, the inventory pools, etc. etc. etc. Quite exhausting and it did not change anything. Either join or sell or just use your week. You could ignore it or embrace it however you wanted. Seems Vistana owners don't have weeks, so they can't just ignore it. You will see some complaints if people can't get prime weeks, but not sure how you would prove that it was because all the "slum" Vistana owners stealing what is ours. From my knowledge they have just as many nice resorts compared to their ownership numbers as Marriott. Marriott has people like me who bought in Williamsburg and Orlando and we are treated the same as people who bought in Maui.
 
They reservation system will have more problems with more people on it.

Places like Hilton Head will see a lot more competition for points reservations

I'm looking forward to the Westin studios. I've never stayed in a Marriott studio as a trade or with points since I can book for cash if I need to. Having a kitchen is a big deal to me.
 
They reservation system will have more problems with more people on it.

Places like Hilton Head will see a lot more competition for points reservations

I'm looking forward to the Westin studios. I've never stayed in a Marriott studio as a trade or with points since I can book for cash if I need to. Having a kitchen is a big deal to me.
I was thinking about this the other day, I think Marriott owners will be pleased with the lockoffs in the Vistana units. Y’all are pretty savvy with your point usage and many of the small one bedrooms are nicely equipped with kitchenettes and washer/dryers.

I am with you, having a kitchen is huge for me as is a washer/dryer. For that reason I would never book a Marriott studio.
 
I was thinking about this the other day, I think Marriott owners will be pleased with the lockoffs in the Vistana units. Y’all are pretty savvy with your point usage and many of the small one bedrooms are nicely equipped with kitchenettes and washer/dryers.

I am with you, having a kitchen is huge for me as is a washer/dryer. For that reason I would never book a Marriott studio.
Never is a long time, Chris! Give it a try once maybe :cool:

Yes, Marriott studios are more like a hotel guestroom compared to Vistana's condo-like equivalent....but like a really nice swanky guestroom! I stay in them comfortably all the time, often for multiple weeks.

Since the 1-bed/2-bed units have laundry, the laundry room is rarely busy and it's easy to run a load or two through whenever I'd like. As far as cooking, I mostly make do with the microwave but when I get the urge to do more, I've learned that the property (MountainSide in my particular experience) will bring you an electric griddle, hot plate, pan, utensils if you ask for them. I do miss the bigger size fridge but I make it work since it is just a temporary holiday stay. The compromise for me is worth it for the location, the points saved with a smaller unit and the access to the resort itself. And I do book the 1-bed sometimes instead for the extra space and full kitchen...nice to have options.
 
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One thing to keep in mind is that Marriott is charging extra for the Westin studios vs the Marriott studios. So the stove top and washer dryer cost extra. This makes sense since you are getting more with a Westin studio.
 
Marriott is charging the same for IV and OV category at WKOVR/N. Why on earth would they do that? Anyone have a guess? Seems like this would be a point of arbitrage. LOL :) I see some other possible points of arbitrage too but that would require getting into the nitty gritty details of unit positioning.

Using shoulder season (same dates) as a comparison:

WKOVRN Studio
IV 2925
OV 2925
OF 3900

WKOVR Studio
IV 2525
OV 2525
OF 3550

MOC Napili/Lahaina studio
IV 2175
MG 2525
OV 2975
OF 3375

OTOH, they made the 2BR point values the same for both phases of WKOVR south and north overall but they also did the same thing as with the studios in valuing IV and OV the same.

WKOVR (south and north) 2BR
IV 6075
OV 6075
OF 8200

MOC Napili/Lahaina 2BR
IV 4700
MG 5700
OV 6650
OF 7450
 
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Marriott is charging the same for IV and OV category at WKOVR/N. Why on earth would they do that? Anyone have a guess? Seems like this would be a point of arbitrage. LOL :) I see some other possible points of arbitrage too but that would require getting into the nitty gritty details of unit positioning.

Using shoulder season (same dates) as a comparison:

WKOVRN Studio
IV 2925
OV 2925
OF 3900

WKOVR Studio
IV 2525
OV 2525
OF 3550

MOC Napili/Lahaina studio
IV 2175
MG 2525
OV 2975
OF 3375

OTOH, they made the 2BR point values the same for both phases of WKOVR south and north overall but they also did the same thing as with the studios in valuing IV and OV the same.

WKOVR (south and north) 2BR
IV 6075
OV 6075
OF 8200

MOC Napili/Lahaina 2BR
IV 4700
MG 5700
OV 6650
OF 7450

Are the Ocean Views at WKORV N&S so-so views? More partial OV maybe? Maybe that might explain it.
 
Are the Ocean Views at WKORV N&S so-so views? More partial OV maybe? Maybe that might explain it.

The north phase has no parking lot views and south phase has some parking lot views when staying in IV. So that is one point of confusion for me. I would choose OV over island view if points are the same.

The other point of confusion is that OF is significantly better in the south phase than in the north phase. I would choose OF south over OF north if points are the same.

I would choose the 2BR in MOC Napili/Lahaina over Westin since points are lower and I prefer MOC location. But if I wanted a studio with kitchen and W/D, I might choose the WKOVR (south) since points are lower than other OV categories in WKOVRN (north) and MOC. Unless I am missing something, this is what I would do.

Overall, I like MOC’s location better than Westin. But I think the views are better on average at the Westins and it feels more spread out. I am going again in April and staying at each one for a week, both will be OF 2BR. Then I can do a better head-to-head comparison since last time I stayed at Westin for a week and at MOC for 3 nights (both OF 1BRs then). At that time, I felt the location of MOC trumped the views at WKOVR (south) for me (and I stayed in the OF center with direct oceanfront view, which is the crown jewel of Westin). I got a bit bored at WKOVR. I liked walking to the mall near MOC for meals.
 
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There are active threads in the Vistana forum and concerns about how Marriott is hurting the Vistana program. I have not heard much, if anything, about what Marriott owners think about Abound.

A few questions:

1) For points owners and enrolled weeks owners, are you excited to be able to book the new Vistana properties? Which Westin/Sheraton resorts in particular are you most interested in?

I am very happy about the ability to book Vistana properties with my Marriott DC points. I love WPORV and I have always wanted to visit WSJ and the presence of 1BR units in the USVI is appealing to me -- we only have 2BR units now in MFC and Ritz STT and the points chart at WSJ is an attractive use of DC Points.

I also like increasing the access to Maui -- we have great properties at MOC and the new towers (which are now 13 and 15 years old) but anything to increase the probability of being able to visit is a good thing.

2) What do you think of the points values for new Westin/Sheraton properties? The new points charts are loaded for 2023 under Helpful Tools on the MVC website.

I remain surprised at how the Caribbean properties are under represented in points. I have always thought that Frenchman's Cove deserved more points than it's owner receive and I feel the same way now about WSJ. Marriott has found a way to get MFC inventory available so that there is availability at release, and now they need to demonstrate the same with WSJ.

I also find it interesting that there are three tiers of Scottsdale properties -- Kierland is the top tier and commands the most points, Canyon Villas is second (from a points perspective) and SDO is just below Canyon Villas. I viewed MCV and SDO as comparable and was surprised to see SDO come in lower. This is an opportunity for those of us who go for Spring Training -- and again, three shots on goal to get a reservation.

3) Any concerns that it will be harder to book the already hard-to-get Marriott resorts inventory with more competition from the Vistana folks for the top locations?

I think TUGgers have an innate advantage because we've developed booking tricks like the atomic clock. I think it will be harder for many Marriott owners to get the reservation because their will be a minor increase in competition, but I don't know how noticeable it will be. I think hard reservations will still be hard, and easy reservations will remain so.

4) For MVC weeks owners, any fears that you will not be able to book your home resorts due to more competition from Vistana folks? If not, what reassurance can you give the Vistana folks?

No, I've not experienced any problems booking my floating weeks, but I am also very disciplined about it. If Vistana owners do the same, they will be fine.

5) Any resentment that Vistana owners will get immediate access to Marriott inventory but it might not be reciprocal for Marriott people to access Vistana inventory since Vistana inventory will be limited (at least in the beginning)?

No, I want them to have a positive experience because I want them to be happy to participate in the system. I think the inventory requirements will level out over time and I think Marriott will reacquire Vistana inventory (and seek out weeks on the resale market) to purchase for the system. I believe there will be sufficient Vistana inventory in time.

6) What do post-2010 resale weeks owners think about Vistana mandatory resale owners (pre-8/9/2022) getting free enrollment into Abound?
As per #5, I'm happy for them (which includes me) to have access and I want them to have a positive experience.

Great questions and great conversation.

Best,

Greg
 
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