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Theft at Vidanta Nuevo Vallarta Grand Luxxe

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Hi everyone, the text below describes what happened, which I originally posted on TripAdvisor. My first question is do we have any recourse to receive compensation for what happened? The compensation I expect is that Vidanta will refund the amount they charged us for one week (~USD2,000). The second question is, what would you have done if you were in my shoes? We considered not telling security, anticipating that if we did, the housekeeper--the person most likely responsible for the theft--would get fired. But then my father convinced me that our inaction would increase the chance that the thief would do it again.


We stayed at Vidanta last week. The day before check out, housekeeping was cleaning our room while I was working on my laptop in the living room. When housekeeping left a couple of hours later, I wanted to go out for a walk but could not find my AirPods- they had just been on the dining table a couple of hours before I picked up my laptop. We searched everywhere inside the room. Finally, I thought of using the "Find Nearby" function of the "Find My" app on iPhone since it would have been impossible for the AirPod to go anywhere. We could not find it anywhere inside the room. Before giving up, due to a couple of awkward reactions from the housekeeper that stuck to my mind, I thought maybe, just maybe, the AirPods were not inside the room! As soon as I walked outside the room, Find My started tracking the AirPods... The distance got shorter as we got closer to the housekeeping cart, and when we got close enough, the arrow pointed to the service room behind the cart. We went inside. There was another smaller cart, near which the distance on Find My became 0. We looked inside what looked like a garbage bag. The AirPods were hidden in a small paper basket underneath some Kiwis and other things. We video-recorded the hall, cart, and where the AirPods were placed and then called security. We were appalled by what happened mainly because we left far more valuable things in the room, like cash and our travel documents, so we spent the next few hours checking to ensure we had not lost anything else. The security said they would investigate and get back to us within 48 hours. In the evening, when we came to close our bill for departure the next day, we confirmed that we would receive a timely response. The front manager at Tower IV (Salvador) promised us a response by January 23rd, while another Concierge named Alejandra was present (please forgive any typos in the names; I quickly typed them in my phone). Nobody contacted us as of January 26. Instead, we had to spend time trying to find the right number and extension to call. After a long wait and multiple transfers, I was told that the AirPods were just found outside the room, and the housekeeping forgot to bring them back. I am not accusing a particular person of theft, but I am certain that theft has occurred (AirPods do not walk). Given the overwhelming evidence (some of which I omitted in the interest of brevity), this sort of response is unsatisfactory and an obvious attempt by Vidanta to avoid responsibility.
 

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I don't believe your assertion of the device being purposely stolen. In fact , I kind of think you are making this up and posting this here in an attempt to get something for nothing from Vidanta.

The reason is that the personnel are scanned and searched before they leave work. You can see them lined up if you are at the right place at the right time. Housekeeping jobs at a place like Vidanta are hard to come by.

Another reason is that maids don't earn enough to afford iphone's or the accessories. An iphone in Mexico would cost about $25,000 pesos and a maid earns under $105,000 pesos a year.

I can barely see a maid mistaking an airpod for garbage but I can't see a maid jeopardizing her livelihood for an airpod.

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I don't believe your assertion of the device being purposely stolen. In fact , I kind of think you are making this up and posting this here in an attempt to get something for nothing from Vidanta.

The reason is that the personnel are scanned and searched before they leave work. You can see them lined up if you are at the right place at the right time. Housekeeping jobs at a place like Vidanta are hard to come by.

Another reason is that maids don't earn enough to afford iphone's or the accessories. An iphone in Mexico would cost about $25,000 pesos and a maid earns under $105,000 pesos a year.

I can barely see a maid mistaking an airpod for garbage but I can't see a maid jeopardizing her livelihood for an airpod.

Bill
Unfortunately, you decided to judge me. Neither of my questions asked opinions about the truthfulness of my claims. Instead, the question asks about insights on what to do, considering what has happened? Despite your irrelevant remarks, I am curious about what caused you to decide I am not being truthful. You "kind of think" because you smelled something over the Internet, or perhaps you know me?

Regardless, you did bring up a couple of good points:
1) I am not accusing the maid, but someone did steal
2) Mistaking garbage for AirPod is reasonable, but I should clarify: I said it was inside a bag that looked like garbage. When we looked inside, it wasn't a garbage bag. Furthermore, the AirPod was hidden underneath fresh kiwis and jars of jam. There is not the slightest possibility I can give that the AirPods were "thrown" there. They were placed there.
3) Yes, the price of a new iPhone would be around what you said. So, I am assuming you'd be surprised to know AirPods Pro works with older models of iPhone or, in fact, practically any Bluetooth-enabled device. Even then, I don't know why you are linking it to a maid's salary.
 

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I work in the technology division and I lose an Airpod Pro every three months on average and I get a free replacement from my employer. Unless you have 100% evidence that it was stolen, please let it go. You're about to destroy someone livelihood.
 

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I work in the technology division and I lose an Airpod Pro every three months on average and I get a free replacement from my employer. Unless you have 100% evidence that it was stolen, please let it go. You're about to destroy someone livelihood.
Thanks for this thoughtful response. The issue with evidence is it is often not 100%, so there is usually the need to exercise judgment. We have convincing evidence that the AirPods were stolen. As for affecting one's livelihood, that was precisely my top concern before agreeing to even inform security. When I called this morning to follow up, they said their investigation concluded that the maid found the device in the hall and forgot to return it. So, I was relieved.

In any case, my prior is most people don't expect a place like Grand Luxxe at Vidanta to be prone to theft. I cannot imagine how things would have turned out if something more valuable would have been taken. So, I will post reviews on the issue and let friends and family know so they can prevent an issue by safeguarding their valuables better than I did.
 

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My first question is do we have any recourse to receive compensation for what happened? The compensation I expect is that Vidanta will refund the amount they charged us for one week (~USD2,000). The second question is, what would you have done if you were in my shoes? We considered not telling security, anticipating that if we did, the housekeeper--the person most likely responsible for the theft--would get fired.
I'm sorry that you are going through such a negative. violating experience while on vacation. No one ever wants to be violated or a victim of theft.
Perhaps the comment of expecting compensation for what happened caused a reader to ponder your intentions. Just saying. As soon as I read that someone expects a hotel, restaurant, etc. to drastically compensate them I start to wonder what really happened. But, I trust that you are telling the truth and are very upset and want something in return for what happened to you. Understandable. But not realistic. While you probably wouldn't put earbuds in a safe, I know I don't, the property would probably say the safe is there for any valuables.
Compensation? I would say no. Refunding an entire week for stolen earbuds should not be expected. That is over the top excessive IMO. Almost like someone saying, "If I don't get compensation I'm going to write you a bad review." Simply document what happened and report it to management. If you are still on the property you can report it to the police.
When I have discovered something missing when staying at a hotel or resort I simply report it. Yes, it has happened a few times. Once in Russia I reported something missing and the next day it was found in a remote place in my room. Very strange. I'm sure the person who took the item returned it. In other situations I simply report, in a non accusatorial way. I want to make sure the management is aware that something went missing. Any proof you have share it with them and not the world. The situation is between you and the property. If they get others saying the same thing they can pin it on the correct person.
If a housekeeper actually steals something then most certainly they should be fired. But, that isn't in your control. Simply detail all the facts with people on the property. The management will then make their decision about the situation. What happens after reporting it isn't your concern.
While it may be hard in the moment, I always look past the bad experience and focus on the good. Remember the great vacation you had with friends and families and the memories that will last forever. The anger you feel over stolen earbuds will evaporate over time.
Again, sorry to hear of your bad experience.
 

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Thanks for this thoughtful response. The issue with evidence is it is often not 100%, so there is usually the need to exercise judgment. We have convincing evidence that the AirPods were stolen. As for affecting one's livelihood, that was precisely my top concern before agreeing to even inform security. When I called this morning to follow up, they said their investigation concluded that the maid found the device in the hall and forgot to return it. So, I was relieved.

In any case, my prior is most people don't expect a place like Grand Luxxe at Vidanta to be prone to theft. I cannot imagine how things would have turned out if something more valuable would have been taken. So, I will post reviews on the issue and let friends and family know so they can prevent an issue by safeguarding their valuables better than I did.
don't they have a safe in the room like hotel where you can store all of your valuable items?
 

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My first question is do we have any recourse to receive compensation for what happened? The compensation I expect is that Vidanta will refund the amount they charged us for one week (~USD2,000)
I'm curious why you believe you should be compensated for the sum spent for accommodations for one week? Recourse? I'm assuming when you found the AirPods in that small utility room on the cart under the trash that you recovered them for yourself. I do understand you reported it to security, but I don't understand why you believe you should be compensated. Whether the maid knew or did not know what was removed from your room had value, surely you do not believe that management requested she remove the AirPods from your room? Yes, she works at the resort, and if she is a thief, she won't have her job for long. But you did not suffer any damages did you? Or did you leave them in the trash and then wait to see if security returned them to you, and you are saying you did not get them back? I'm simply not understanding why you think the resort owes you money.
 

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I'm sorry that you are going through such a negative. violating experience while on vacation. No one ever wants to be violated or a victim of theft.
Perhaps the comment of expecting compensation for what happened caused a reader to ponder your intentions. Just saying. As soon as I read that someone expects a hotel, restaurant, etc. to drastically compensate them I start to wonder what really happened. But, I trust that you are telling the truth and are very upset and want something in return for what happened to you. Understandable. But not realistic. While you probably wouldn't put earbuds in a safe, I know I don't, the property would probably say the safe is there for any valuables.
Compensation? I would say no. Refunding an entire week for stolen earbuds should not be expected. That is over the top excessive IMO. Almost like someone saying, "If I don't get compensation I'm going to write you a bad review." Simply document what happened and report it to management. If you are still on the property you can report it to the police.
When I have discovered something missing when staying at a hotel or resort I simply report it. Yes, it has happened a few times. Once in Russia I reported something missing and the next day it was found in a remote place in my room. Very strange. I'm sure the person who took the item returned it. In other situations I simply report, in a non accusatorial way. I want to make sure the management is aware that something went missing. Any proof you have share it with them and not the world. The situation is between you and the property. If they get others saying the same thing they can pin it on the correct person.
If a housekeeper actually steals something then most certainly they should be fired. But, that isn't in your control. Simply detail all the facts with people on the property. The management will then make their decision about the situation. What happens after reporting it isn't your concern.
While it may be hard in the moment, I always look past the bad experience and focus on the good. Remember the great vacation you had with friends and families and the memories that will last forever. The anger you feel over stolen earbuds will evaporate over time.
Again, sorry to hear of your bad experience.
Thanks so much for the response, and yes, I can see how being upfront can be problematic. I was trying to be to the point so members know clearly what I am seeking. It is also useful to hear what others think about my expectation of compensation.
 

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I'm curious why you believe you should be compensated for the sum spent for accommodations for one week? Recourse? I'm assuming when you found the AirPods in that small utility room on the cart under the trash that you recovered them for yourself. I do understand you reported it to security, but I don't understand why you believe you should be compensated. Whether the maid knew or did not know what was removed from your room had value, surely you do not believe that management requested she remove the AirPods from your room? Yes, she works at the resort, and if she is a thief, she won't have her job for long. But you did not suffer any damages did you? Or did you leave them in the trash and then wait to see if security returned them to you, and you are saying you did not get them back? I'm simply not understanding why you think the resort owes you money.
There are quite a few leaps of logic in the question-driven argument you are trying to build. So, I'll say this: an expectation is, by definition, subjective. It can also be adjusted through proper customer care handling. Vidanta refused any responsibility for what we are certain is a theft on their property, and we can convincingly establish it with evidence. They also failed to communicate, contrary to what a high-level manager promised, wasting several hours of our time to find the right number in Mexico to dial.
 

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I am curious about what caused you to decide I am not being truthful.

Employment at Vidanta is highly sought among workers in Mexico. It's a career job that looks good on a resume. The maids are screened on arrival and departure of the property so items like ibuds would be noticed.

Vidanta is one of the largest resort systems in Mexico and their security is at the top levels regarding their employees. Many of the employees that work for Vidanta actually live on property Vidanta owns. Why would anyone risk it ?

Anyone, including the maid, knows garbage from air bud, so it is unlikely the maid threw this away as garbage. The premise of your story is the maid stole these by putting it in the garbage to retrieve later. Anyone that knows how Vidanta operates knows it would be difficult to steal something out of a room. Your story just rings false for many reasons.

Not being a paid member here and having a first post like this makes me think your full of s***. I bet the people on trip advisor that have actually been to a Vidanta property feel the same.

Bill
 

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Employment at Vidanta is highly sought among workers in Mexico. It's a career job that looks good on a resume. The maids are screened on arrival and departure of the property so items like ibuds would be noticed.

Vidanta is one of the largest resort systems in Mexico and their security is at the top levels regarding their employees. Many of the employees that work for Vidanta actually live on property Vidanta owns.

Anyone, including the maid, knows garbage from air bud, so it is unlikely the maid threw this away as garbage. The premise of your story is the maid stole these by putting it in the garbage to retrieve later. Anyone that knows how Vidanta operates knows it would be difficult to steal something out of a room. Your story just rings false for many reasons.

Not being a paid member here and having a first post like this makes me think your full of s***. I bet the people on trip advisor that have actually been to a Vidanta property feel the same.

Bill
Thanks, Bill. This is a good site, and yes, my incentive to sign up happens to be the theft issue. It is also pretty cool that I learned about your reputation despite being here for less than a day.

A quick search in the forum shows how consistently you speak highly of Vidanta in reaction to complaints. One funny example is when you went to length to counter someone's critique that the food at Vidanta was too expensive for the quality it offered.
 

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There are quite a few leaps of logic in the question-driven argument you are trying to build. So, I'll say this: an expectation is, by definition, subjective. It can also be adjusted through proper customer care handling. Vidanta refused any responsibility for what we are certain is a theft on their property, and we can convincingly establish it with evidence. They also failed to communicate, contrary to what a high-level manager promised, wasting several hours of our time to find the right number in Mexico to dial.
Well, I suggest you are making quite a few leaps in logic in your post. I did not realize you wanted to have a theoretical discussion about demands and subjectiveness of expectations. You were renting a room at the resort. You paid money to rent that room. A housekeeper allegedly stole AirPods from your room, but you presumably recovered them yourself and the AirPods were not damaged in the process. You reported the theft and expected that the management and security team would do a thorough investigation and get to the bottom of the "whodunnit" - even though you recovered your AirPods yourself. You are upset because management did not make you their number 1 priority and fall over themselves apologizing, and they apparently did not respond to the timeframe you demanded for a reply. And despite having your AirPods back, and leaving the following day, you instead decided it was so important to wait around to hear from management that you had to waste several hours of your time to find the right number in Mexico to call.

I hate to tell you this, but your expectations are over the top and incredibly unrealistic. You got your AirPods back. You weren't attacked in your room, the AirPods weren't stolen at gunpoint; it was electronics valued at around $200 that you retrieved on your own. You don't have any damages. Management isn't going to care whether you return to that property or not. They aren't going to give you your money back for staying at the resort. LOL. Nice try.
 

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Thanks, Bill. This is a good site, and yes, my incentive to sign up happens to be the theft issue. It is also pretty cool that I learned about your reputation despite being here for less than a day.

A quick search in the forum shows how consistently you speak highly of Vidanta in reaction to complaints. One funny example is when you went to length to counter someone's critique that the food at Vidanta was too expensive for the quality it offered.

You may have signed up but you are not showing as a member. Even if you actually paid the $15 to join and then introduce yourself, it wouldn't have changed my mind that your claim about Vidanta is unlikely at best and a scam by you at worst. If you were a member, I would have said something more tactful than your story is "full of S***".

Actually, my comment on Vidanta's menu's at their over 40 restaurants on their property was very helpful, imo. Overall I find Vidanta to be high quality and opulent with great service and resort grounds.

Bill
 

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You may have signed up but you are not showing as a member. Even if you actually paid the $15 to join and then introduce yourself, it wouldn't have changed my mind that your claim about Vidanta is unlikely at best and a scam by you at worst. If you were a member, I would have said something more tactful than your story is "full of S***".

Actually, my comment on Vidanta's menu's at their over 40 restaurants on their property was very helpful, imo. Overall I find Vidanta to be high quality and opulent with great service and resort grounds.

Bill
Thank you, Bill. Good luck.
 

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I agree with @LeslieDet here that your idea of damages or compensation is unreasonable. You have your Air pods back, therefore there's no damages there. You may be able to argue you spent time away from your vacation looking for the Airpods. How to quantify that? $2,000 would seem unreasonable. A courtesy credit of some sort would be acceptable and generous.
 

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The compensation I expect is that Vidanta will refund the amount they charged us for one week (~USD2,000).
There is no way that is going to happen.

A courtesy credit of some sort would be acceptable and generous.
That would be nice -- a couple dinners to say "sorry for the trouble." It would have been a goodwill gesture.
 

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I agree it’s tough to have a violation of the safety of your vacation unit, but I also agree with those here who say that your demands are unreasonable.

In fact part of the lack of visible action from Vidanta could be attributed to them judging your compensation demands as grossly irrational. Why would management want to work with a customer that they’d prefer to not see back at the resort anyhow?
 

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I agree with @LeslieDet here that your idea of damages or compensation is unreasonable. You have your Air pods back, therefore there's no damages there. You may be able to argue you spent time away from your vacation looking for the Airpods. How to quantify that? $2,000 would seem unreasonable. A courtesy credit of some sort would be acceptable and generous.
Sure, it is just unfortunate that something terrible, like a theft, had happened, and no one cared! When people react so rudely about the clarity of my expectation, they don't know about the argument we had during our last night about whether we should risk someone losing their job vs. risk someone else getting robbed. Perhaps I would not have had any expectations if they handled it with respect and dignity. They gave us a piece of paper to report on, said that they didn't know who placed the AirPods there (indicating they were not admitting anything, which is surprising to hear as the first thing from management), and just left. They also made us stay inside the room for an additional 1 hour so someone would come over to scan the lock. After an hour, no one showed up. We called, and they said, "Oh, someone scanned the lock from outside." Again, in the interest of brevity, I omitted a bunch of stuff. I guess that's the liability of being new here.
 

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Also, here are a few screenshots from the video I shot, showing our room, the service room, the cart, and the bag in which we found the item.

On a separate note, whoever this person Bill is, it says a lot about his character to accuse anyone of risking a maid's job for two grand. This was only my second time being in Mexico, and in light of what happened, I came here to ask for insights (which I did receive from a few of you--thank you).
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they don't know about the argument we had during our last night about whether we should risk someone losing their job vs. risk someone else getting robbed.
The fact that you had an argument with your significant other has nothing to do with whether you should be compensated.
 

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I agree it’s tough to have a violation of the safety of your vacation unit, but I also agree with those here who say that your demands are unreasonable.

In fact part of the lack of visible action from Vidanta could be attributed to them judging your compensation demands as grossly irrational. Why would management want to work with a customer that they’d prefer to not see back at the resort anyhow?
Sorry I wasn't clear. I have not been asked about what my expectation is. What I said here is the first time I indicated it.
 

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The fact that you had an argument with your significant other has nothing to do with whether you should be compensated.
The point wasn't having an argument, the point is the amount of care we put into weighing options and receiving no proportionate care from Vidanta.
 

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risk someone else getting robbed.
Just FYI - you were not "robbed." If you had been robbed, you would have known it was happening at the time, most likely with a weapon in your face and threats of personal harm if you didn't hand over whatever it was that the "robber" was demanding. What you are complaining about, while frustrating for you to have to find your AirPods, isn't a major crime that demands the type of response you think it does. Your statement that you wouldn't have any expectations if they had "handled it with respect and dignity" is a wild one, given that at the end of the day you did not suffer any loss.
 
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