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The first US offshore wind farm has had no negative effect on fish, finds groundbreaking study

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Outstanding, Dominion Resources is going to build an offshore wind farm in the Chesapeake Bay off coast of Virginia.
 

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Hopefully out of sight very far offshore. The last thing i want to see off the ocean view balcony at my timeshare is a wind farm.

Was it Martha's Vinyard that pitched a fit and killed an offshore wind project because of the view?
 

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Washington State has been involved with wind farms for decades. They are very ugly, take up alot of room, wouldn't be viable without tax credits, kill birds, kill butterflies, electricity produced isn't stored for demand, noise, and they only have a 20 year lifespan. What wind turbines actually do is reduce the tax load of wealthy corporations by reducing their tax liability with a plus side of keeping profits.

The pro's might be jobs and an energy source that has some EMP protection.

Bill
 

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Washington State has been involved with wind farms for decades. They are very ugly, take up alot of room, wouldn't be viable without tax credits, kill birds, kill butterflies, electricity produced isn't stored for demand, noise, and they only have a 20 year lifespan. What wind turbines actually do is reduce the tax load of wealthy corporations by reducing their tax liability with a plus side of keeping profits.

The pro's might be jobs and an energy source that has some EMP protection.

Bill
Dams, coal fired plants, nuclear reactors and their risks aren't too great either. When the alternative is freezing to death in the dark, ya gotta have tradeoffs.
 

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Wind farms are NOT so great for the commercial fishermen, however, as this video explains:


In fact, they will drive many of the commercial fishermen out of business. I live in eastern North Carolina, and our fishermen are as concerned about these wind farms as those in the video farther north.

If we like fresh seafood, we need to be careful about these things.

In industrializing our oceans with wind farms, the seabirds, dolphins, and whales are among those species negatively impacted. In fact, some conservation groups are now suing to try to block some of the Atlantic wind farms due to their harm to endangered species of whales. A recent European university study found that the undersea power cables from wind turbines caused brown crabs, the most important commercial species in Europe to be mesmerized, stopped the migration that is important to their reproductive cycle.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...les-renewables-magnetic-pull-brown-crabs.html
 
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One really ironic fact is that the biggest fish kill from a wind farm was not from an offshore wind farm, but from construction of an on shore wind farm. It happened in County Galway, Ireland at the Derrybrien Wind Farm (Ireland's largest at the time) and resulted in a 5 million euro environmental fine. Tons of debris were released into the Owendalulleegh River, killing 50,000 fish.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1112/1090261-ireland-fined/

The dirty little secrets of Big Wind like this, or the criminal indictment of four wind energy companies in Ontario for multiple felonies of polluting the groundwater during wind turbine construction, are not well publicized
 

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Well, here is het another study on the negative impact of offshore wind turbines on marine life. The electromagnetic fields from the undersea power cables of wind turbines have already been shown by scientists to harm crabs. (link in post above). Now a new scientific study shows they also harm lobsters, leaving them deformed and unable to swim. Here is a report on that study from the UK's largest circulation daily newspaper, the Daily Mail of London:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-left-unable-swim-wind-farm-power-cables.html

Of course, environmentalists in the US are already suing to block offshore wind turbines off the US east coast because of their negative impact on marine mammals such as dolphins and endangered whale species.

Here is the link to the study on crabs: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/9/7/776

So, while fish may be okay with offshore wind turbines, they are harmful to crabs, lobsters, whales, dolphins, and sea birds, and that is NOT a very good environmental record.
 
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What I want to know is...
How can you have a "groundbreaking" study that's base on the sea?
There's no "ground" to break.
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You can cover every open piece of land with Solar Panels and Wind Farms and it will not generate enough electricity for the USA.
 
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"but wind is free!!!!"
 

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You can cover every open piece of land wkth Solar Panels and Wind Farms and it will not generate enough electricity for the USA.
So? If most houses had panels on their roof, it would dramatically reduce the need for electricity produced by other means. Same goes with wind farms. I personally am for any and all forms of power generation, and to use the forms that make the most sense while balancing both the environment and economy.

Kurt
 

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So? If most houses had panels on their roof, it would dramatically reduce the need for electricity produced by other means. Same goes with wind farms. I personally am for any and all forms of power generation, and to use the forms that make the most sense while balancing both the environment and economy.

Kurt

The problem for stability of the grid, and for electric rates, is that intermittent weather-dependent sources like wind and solar have to have backup for when the weather does not cooperate. If there is not enough backup, you get blackouts, either total or rotating. Maintaining sufficient backup greatly raises the cost of electricity. Dependable renewable sources like geothermal are one answer. The wind and solar interests have done all they can to block geothermal in the US, but Kenya is successfully and cheaply producing electricity that way. Modular nukes are another.

Solar panels are NOT going to produce anything at night, when it is cloudy, when they are covered with snow, ice, dew, etc., when it is foggy, and so on. Wind is not going to produce when the wind is not blowing or blowing too hard. The state of South Australia had its only statewide blackout when strong Spring storms caused wind turbines to automatically shut down. A large swath of the UK last year had a blackout involving millions of electric customers when a large offshore wind farm suddenly went offline and the impact of that cascaded through the grid. Europe had a big wind deficit last summer and another one in late Fall, both leading to high use of gas reserves, which set them up to lose when Russia cut back gas deliveries. Germany, which is more dependent on wind than the rest of Europe has gone through that before but was able to get by through importing nuclear power from France and coal-fired power from Poland. Those are not so available now. The UK has also built two connectors to France to import nuclear power when its wind power failed, but one of those connectors has been out of commission for some months, and besides a number of French nuclear power stations are now offline for maintenance so France does not have the spare power it normally does.
 
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The problem for stability of the grid, and for electric rates, is that intermittent weather-dependent sources like wind and solar have to have backup for when the weather does not cooperate. If there is not enough backup, you get blackouts, either total or rotating. Maintaining sufficient backup greatly raises the cost of electricity. Dependable renewable sources like geothermal are one answer. The wind and solar interests have done all they can to block geothermal in the US, but Kenya is successfully and cheaply producing electricity that way. Modular nukes are another.

Solar panels are NOT going to produce anything at night, when it is cloudy, when they are covered with snow, ice, dew, etc., when it is foggy, and so on. Wind is not going to produce when the wind is not blowing or blowing too hard. The state of South Australia had its only statewide blackout when strong Spring storms caused wind turbines to automatically shut down. A large swath of the UK last year had a blackout involving millions of electric customers when a large offshore wind farm suddenly went offline and the impact of that cascaded through the grid. Europe had a big wind deficit last summer and another one in late Fall, both leading to high use of gas reserves, which set them up to lose when Russia cut back gas deliveries. Germany, which is more dependent on wind than the rest of Europe has gone through that before but was able to get by through importing nuclear power from France and coal-fired power from Poland. Those are not so available now. The UK has also built two connectors to France to import nuclear power when its wind power failed, but one of those connectors has been out of commission for some months, and besides a number of French nuclear power stations are now offline for maintenance so France does not have the spare power it normally does.
I guess you haven't heard of whole-house batteries in conjunction w/ home solar power? That pretty much negates all of your objections in your post.

As for geothermal, I am also all for that. Like I said, any and all.

Kurt
 
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