Spain offers

[Red elephant]

Hello experts . Your thoughts on these new Spain offers.
2 weeks 2 bedroom gold Marbella
$41,400
17, 400 club points as gifts.

2 weeks 2 bedroom gold at Playa
4800 club points
$35,600
14.100 Club point

 

[DanCali]

On a price per point basis, it beats buying trust points. You're omitting the MFs but I suspect that's also favorable vs the $0.81/point for trust points.

But, like trust points, the resale value of al these weeks is very low so it really depends on how many resale weeks they allow to enroll in the process.

 

[Red elephant]

On a price per point basis, it beats buying trust points. You're omitting the MFs but I suspect that's also favorable vs the $0.81/point for trust points.

But, like trust points, the resale value of al these weeks is very low so it really depends on how many resale weeks they allow to enroll in the process.

Oh sorry the MF is approx $1663
Yeah resale price is low. My idea is to use into retirement. Spend 8 weeks in Spain from late August to October. But the gift of club points is amazing !! Never heard of that. I am looking at resales too.

 

[DanCali]

Oh sorry the MF is approx $1663
Yeah resale price is low. My idea is to use into retirement. Spend 8 weeks in Spain from late August to October. But the gift of club points is amazing !! Never heard of that. I am looking at resales too.

These are not bad deals in general if you are looking for annual point generators and your comparison are trust points.

But you should ask about the stuff they are not pitching you directly like a three bedroom Gold Seafront week at Playa. MFs about $1800 and it gives you about 4100 points per year. Much more efficient. The Platinum three bedroom seafront is one of the most efficient ways, but it will be pricey.

They do allow enrollment of resale weeks when you buy directly in Spain. It might be two or even three resale weeks. You can bring the cost per point to somewhere between $4-$5 if you have “good” resale weeks to enroll.

Enroll the maximum resale weeks they let you, and buy the minimum amount of developer weeks required. That’s the best way to do it…


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[Red elephant]

These are not bad deals in general if you are looking for annual point generators and your comparison are trust points.

But you should ask about the stuff they are not pitching you directly like a three bedroom Gold Seafront week at Playa. MFs about $1800 and it gives you about 4100 points per year. Much more efficient. The Platinum three bedroom seafront is one of the most efficient ways, but it will be pricey.

They do allow enrollment of resale weeks when you buy directly in Spain. It might be two or even three resale weeks. You can bring the cost per point to somewhere between $4-$5 if you have “good” resale weeks to enroll.

Enroll the maximum resale weeks they let you, and buy the minimum amount of developer weeks required. That’s the best way to do it…


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Yes I did this purchasing a seafront 3 bedroom gold which locks off and enrolled 3 resales which included another seafront gold 3 bedroom.
Now to get that is way more money as they only have a few left. I am trying to get the price down.
Since I am using these weeks getting a platinum week does not work for my usage.

 

[bazzap]

Hello experts . Your thoughts on these new Spain offers.
2 weeks 2 bedroom gold Marbella
$41,400
17, 400 club points as gifts.

2 weeks 2 bedroom gold at Playa
4800 club points
$35,600
14.100 Club point

It may be that the Gold Holiday season does not match your planned travel times and preferences, but bizarrely they are selling Marbella Gold Holiday weeks at a significantly lower price than Marbella Gold weeks?
Equally bizarrely though these Gold Holiday weeks elect for fewer Abound points than the Gold weeks?
It seems to defy logic!


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[Red elephant]

It may be that the Gold Holiday season does not match your planned travel times and preferences, but bizarrely they are selling Marbella Gold Holiday weeks at a significantly lower price than Marbella Gold weeks?
Equally bizarrely though these Gold Holiday weeks elect for fewer Abound points than the Gold weeks?
It seems to defy logic!


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I was told the gold weeks are more expensive because they have more dates available
much bigger usage window.

My travel times fall into one week in the holiday season.

 

[bazzap]

I was told the gold weeks are more expensive because they have more dates available
much bigger usage window.

My travel times fall into one week in the holiday season.

For sure, there are fewer weeks available in the “higher” season with Gold Holiday.
These were previously sold by MVC at a higher price though and prior to 2018 any Gold Holiday weeks purchased from MVC had the option, on a first come first served and limited basis to also book Gold weeks.
How times change.


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[Red elephant]

For sure, there are fewer weeks available in the “higher” season with Gold Holiday.
These were previously sold by MVC at a higher price though and prior to 2018 any Gold Holiday weeks purchased from MVC had the option, on a first come first served and limited basis to also book Gold weeks.
How times change.


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Wow indeed. I found a gold plus week on redweek and may just go that route instead. But that sure is a lot of club points being given with the purchase.

 

[iftravel]

Wow indeed. I found a gold plus week on redweek and may just go that route instead. But that sure is a lot of club points being given with the purchase.

Yeah great incentives! If you can use them like $1 per point, it’s like 40% off retail price. Are you going back to retro your redweek purchase? I’m curious how many weeks can you retro with one purchase like this.

If club points are good enough for your to book Spain, there may be better points generators to reenroll.

 

[Red elephant]

Yeah great incentives! If you can use them like $1 per point, it’s like 40% off retail price. Are you going back to retro your redweek purchase? I’m curious how many weeks can you retro with one purchase like this.

If club points are good enough for your to book Spain, there may be better points generators to reenroll.

Yes I plan to retro the week. For that price you can retro at least one week. Since that’s all I have did not ask for more.
My thoughts exactly in regards to using the incentives .
The last time I was able to retro 3 weeks which included a 3 bedroom seafront week that I lockoff to get 2 weeks. I purchased another 3 bedroom seafront week to do that enrollment. But the price for that week was much cheaper then.
I need weeks to book in a chain at 13 months for sept and Oct .

 

[iftravel]

Yes I plan to retro the week. For that price you can retro at least one week. Since that’s all I have did not ask for more.
My thoughts exactly in regards to using the incentives .
The last time I was able to retro 3 weeks which included a 3 bedroom seafront week that I lockoff to get 2 weeks. I purchased another 3 bedroom seafront week to do that enrollment. But the price for that week was much cheaper then.
I need weeks to book in a chain at 13 months for sept and Oct .

It’s a good idea to pick up 3-bed even for the points. Do you know how many points it gets? Yeah looks like a bit pricy on redweek. I have some time to plan for retirement so will do it patiently, lol.

 

[Red elephant]

It’s a good idea to pick up 3-bed even for the points. Do you know how many points it gets? Yeah looks like a bit pricy on redweek. I have some time to plan for retirement so will do it patiently, lol.

The 3 bedroom seafront is 4100 points. I have about 10 years for retirement so slowly stacking up my weeks that I will need to spend a lot of time in Spain. In the spring I just plan to exchange on interval or getaways.

 

[iftravel]

The 3 bedroom seafront is 4100 points. I have about 10 years for retirement so slowly stacking up my weeks that I will need to spend a lot of time in Spain. In the spring I just plan to exchange on interval or getaways.

Good luck! it's fun to plan for retirement. Spain getaways are plenty, and on ACs a lot too.

 

[Red elephant]

Good luck! it's fun to plan for retirement. Spain getaways are plenty, and on ACs a lot too.

Oh wow never looked at ACs thought Marriott timeshares were not eligible. Will have to look into that.

 

[claraj]

Oh wow never looked at ACs thought Marriott timeshares were not eligible. Will have to look into that.

I can find Marriott properties using the freebie AC but usually for low or shoulder season.

For example my freebie AC can pull the Marriott property near Disney in Paris.

 

[Red elephant]

I can find Marriott properties using the freebie AC but usually for low or shoulder season.

For example my freebie AC can pull the Marriott property near Disney in Paris.

This is great news as I just exchanged into Spain for February/march. Could have used an AC granted I exchanged the lock off studio of my 3 bedroom playa for a 3 bedroom.

 

[iftravel]

This is great news as I just exchanged into Spain for February/march. Could have used an AC granted I exchanged the lock off studio of my 3 bedroom playa for a 3 bedroom.

Winter (November to March) is really easy. Is it too cold there? you might even try ShortStay Exchange for 2x 6 days with one week of your studio.

 

[RetirementPlans2028]

From the 2024 VAC Annual Report:

Spanish court rulings voiding certain timeshare contracts have increased our exposure to litigation that may materially adversely affect our business and financial condition.
A series of Spanish court rulings starting in 2015 (“2015 Rulings”) increased our exposure to litigation that may materially adversely affect our business and financial condition. These rulings voided certain timeshare contracts entered into after January 1999 related to certain resorts in Spain if a resort’s timeshare structure did not meet requirements prescribed by Spanish timeshare laws enacted in 1998, even if the structure was lawful prior to 1998 and adapted pursuant to mechanisms specified in the 1998 laws. These rulings have led to an increase in lawsuits by owners seeking to void timeshare contracts in Spain, including lawsuits by owners at certain of our resorts in Spain which are currently pending. However, the Supreme Court of Spain has not yet substantively opined on the issue as it pertains to the Company’s timeshare contracts. If the Supreme Court of Spain rules adversely to us and determines that our timeshare contracts are voidable, that may materially adversely affect the results of operations of our Vacation Ownership segment, as well as our business and financial condition. Defending these lawsuits has required, and may continue to require, the Company to incur legal fees and reserve for judgments. Under recently enacted legislation, effective April 4, 2025, existing timeshare owners will have five years to bring lawsuits based on the 2015 Rulings to void their timeshare contracts, after which time such claims will no longer be recognized. Damages recoverable for claims brought during the five-year period will be reduced by the market value of the benefits the owners received or were entitled to receive under their timeshare contracts. Owners who purchase after April 4, 2025, will not be entitled to make claims under the 2015 Rulings. If additional owners at our resorts in Spain file similar lawsuits, this may void certain of those owners’ timeshare contracts; cause us to incur material litigation and other costs, including judgment or settlement payments; and materially adversely affect the results of operations of our Vacation Ownership segment, as well as our business and financial condition. The ability for owners of Spanish timeshares to void their contracts has negatively impacted other developers with resorts in Spain and led to a decrease in the number of resorts located in Spain in the Interval Network with active sales and the loss of members who own VOIs at those resorts.

 

[Red elephant]

Winter (November to March) is really easy. Is it too cold there? you might even try ShortStay Exchange for 2x 6 days with one week of your studio.

I am have no idea what shortstay is. You can use a studio and get two 6 days in Spain? I have to go do some research on that.
It’s about 60 degrees there in Feb/march. Jan is coldest month I believe.

 

[bazzap]

I am have no idea what shortstay is. You can use a studio and get two 6 days in Spain? I have to go do some research on that.
It’s about 60 degrees there in Feb/march. Jan is coldest month I believe.

These are the Interval Short Stay Exchanges

Interval International | Faq Main

Interval International is a timeshare exchange company with locations around the world offering it?s members the ability to exchange their timeshare for time an another location.

www.intervalworld.com

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[Red elephant]

From the 2024 VAC Annual Report:

Spanish court rulings voiding certain timeshare contracts have increased our exposure to litigation that may materially adversely affect our business and financial condition.
A series of Spanish court rulings starting in 2015 (“2015 Rulings”) increased our exposure to litigation that may materially adversely affect our business and financial condition. These rulings voided certain timeshare contracts entered into after January 1999 related to certain resorts in Spain if a resort’s timeshare structure did not meet requirements prescribed by Spanish timeshare laws enacted in 1998, even if the structure was lawful prior to 1998 and adapted pursuant to mechanisms specified in the 1998 laws. These rulings have led to an increase in lawsuits by owners seeking to void timeshare contracts in Spain, including lawsuits by owners at certain of our resorts in Spain which are currently pending. However, the Supreme Court of Spain has not yet substantively opined on the issue as it pertains to the Company’s timeshare contracts. If the Supreme Court of Spain rules adversely to us and determines that our timeshare contracts are voidable, that may materially adversely affect the results of operations of our Vacation Ownership segment, as well as our business and financial condition. Defending these lawsuits has required, and may continue to require, the Company to incur legal fees and reserve for judgments. Under recently enacted legislation, effective April 4, 2025, existing timeshare owners will have five years to bring lawsuits based on the 2015 Rulings to void their timeshare contracts, after which time such claims will no longer be recognized. Damages recoverable for claims brought during the five-year period will be reduced by the market value of the benefits the owners received or were entitled to receive under their timeshare contracts. Owners who purchase after April 4, 2025, will not be entitled to make claims under the 2015 Rulings. If additional owners at our resorts in Spain file similar lawsuits, this may void certain of those owners’ timeshare contracts; cause us to incur material litigation and other costs, including judgment or settlement payments; and materially adversely affect the results of operations of our Vacation Ownership segment, as well as our business and financial condition. The ability for owners of Spanish timeshares to void their contracts has negatively impacted other developers with resorts in Spain and led to a decrease in the number of resorts located in Spain in the Interval Network with active sales and the loss of members who own VOIs at those resorts.

Had not heard of this development.

 

[Hindsite]

Had not heard of this development.

The note has been in the accounts for a few years, but without the mention of the 5-year deadline, so that is new to me. I've not heard of any MVC Europe owners succeeding with this, probably because even if you "won" you get usage deducted, which would wipe out any money you would be owed quite quickly and its also relatively easy just to hand back the Europe "ownerships" as they are RTU. There are marketing companies that have been contacting MVC EU owners to tell them they can get out of their ownership and they have legal action in progress, but that is just a version of timeshare exit company scams.

@bazzap other than the occasional sabre rattling from grumpy owners, have you heard of anything more substantive arising from this?

 

[Red elephant]

The note has been in the accounts for a few years, but without the mention of the 5-year deadline, so that is new to me. I've not heard of any MVC Europe owners succeeding with this, probably because even if you "won" you get usage deducted, which would wipe out any money you would be owed quite quickly and its also relatively easy just to hand back the Europe "ownerships" as they are RTU. There are marketing companies that have been contacting MVC EU owners to tell them they can get out of their ownership and they have legal action in progress, but that is just a version of timeshare exit company scams.

@bazzap other than the occasional sabre rattling from grumpy owners, have you heard of anything more substantive arising from this?

I am just a little concerned that MVC may pull out depending on the supreme courts ruling . Meanwhile I am trying to buy weeks to spend 2 months there.

 

[bazzap]

The note has been in the accounts for a few years, but without the mention of the 5-year deadline, so that is new to me. I've not heard of any MVC Europe owners succeeding with this, probably because even if you "won" you get usage deducted, which would wipe out any money you would be owed quite quickly and its also relatively easy just to hand back the Europe "ownerships" as they are RTU. There are marketing companies that have been contacting MVC EU owners to tell them they can get out of their ownership and they have legal action in progress, but that is just a version of timeshare exit company scams.

@bazzap other than the occasional sabre rattling from grumpy owners, have you heard of anything more substantive arising from this?

No.
My understanding is that there have been a very, very small number of successful lawsuits and payouts relating to the Spanish MVC resorts.
These have inevitably been played up hugely by the lawyers, especially one company based in the Canary Isles in order to trump up more business.
It is really not something we hear discussed between owners at the resorts.
We are back at Club Son Antem in Mallorca now and the vast majority of owners we speak to continue to be very pleased with their MVC week purchases.
And as you say, all European resorts are RTU so can easily be given back to MVC if owners no longer wish to keep them.


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